Woman who strangled her newborn daughter to death... spared jail.

volchitsa

mdwexford wrote: »

God that must have been traumatic. Bizarre things like that aren't disclosed to potential employers for a position like that. Surely she wouldn't have passed Garda vetting with a history of mental issues.

But if you had the choice you wouldn't live next door to anyone with psychotic issues.

That's true, I'll have to get a big detached house in the middle of nowhere.

It wasn't down south so I don't know what would happen there, but here it seems that medical confidentiality covers it. And that German pilot who crashed his plane was also covered, so I think it's likely to be the case in most countries.

She hadn't committed a crime, see, she was just schizophrenic and on medication. So unless she's going to be banned from any job where she has contact with people her employers aren't going to be told her medical history. And if she's a registered child minder then the parents aren't told either.

The fact that she then stopped taking her medication is kind of unpredictable isn't it? But a lot of people do because the side effects are pretty nasty I gather, and because they feel fine, so they can't think they're ok.

(I didn't know any of this before my friend had her experience, btw. The odd thing is she's one of the most stressed out people I know, worries about everything - I really thought she'd have a nervous breakdown over it, but she took it better than I would have!)

osarusan

After Hours is a sad sad place sometimes.

Snugglebunnies

eurokev wrote:

How can you hide a pregnancy though? It's fairly obvious that someone is pregnant

I did it for nearly 7 months. It's not impossible.

Summer wind

This case is so shocking and horrific it's almost beyond belief. This woman has another child that would be 5 or 6 years old. When she completes her 60 days treatment will she have this little child in her care? I can't believe that 60 days of treatment is enough for this woman after what she's done. I really hope she's not left in charge of her little 6 year old.

infogiver

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

I did it for nearly 7 months. It's not impossible.

I didn't mention I was pregnant at work until 30 weeks and it wasn't noticed.

donkeykong5

infogiver wrote: »

donkeykong5 wrote: »

The man who killed his family in cavan and the man who killed his little girl in Cork and this "mother" who killed her new born baby are all exactly the same. They are ..........MURDERERS.

Just not true. Your absolutely wrong.

Don't be so silly. Of couse I am right. Don't know how many times you need to hear it . But............parents who kill innocent children are murderers. Can't eloborate further as I don't want to be banned from the forum.

FlawedGenius

Judge must of fancied her, its the same with domestic violence these days the woman doesnt need any evidence for a safety or barring order yet theyl be handed one no questions asked. Women can litrilly get away with murder when its been proven by scientists women are more jealous nasty and calculated than men.

Jawgap

mdwexford wrote: »

Certainly lock people up who have committed psychotic murders until they are established beyond doubt of being no risk to the public.

Find it hard to take anyone serious who has 4.5k post on a cycling forum anyway.



Sqo you think she was insane from the day she found out she was pregnant?

Your reading comprehension seems to be of a very low standard. I'm trying understand what some of you seem to think was her issue here, how long it affected her and how it will affect her in the future.

You know just as little as me about whether she had a plan or not or what form of insanity she had.

Not sure what my posting history has to do with anything, but thanks for taking the time to look it up......even I didn't think I'd been posting that much in the cycling forum.

You also seem to be more interested in attacking posters rather then their arguments.....is that because you can't argue on the facts so you have to resort to personal jibes?

As for your substantive point, such as it is, I'm guessing if a reputable panel of mental health physicians certified some as fit to re-enter society that would be ok, regardless of the length of their detention?

.....plus, I'm guessing that in this case the judge didn't pull the idea of rehab out of thin air, that he got it from the pre-sentencing reports and he's basing it on a clinical opinion within those reports. But I could be wrong.

Oh, and by definition, you can't commit a 'psychotic murder.'

Thelomen Toblackai

So you're all up in arms about the outcome of a case in the UK and the fact it wasn't reported in a UK paper all because you don't accept established medical diagnosis for a well documented condition and how such conditions are viewed in a court of law and believe that this should all be ignored by the judge who must be an idiot because he didn't ?

Aren't we blessed to have such incredible intellects gracing this fabulous forum ? .....

donkeykong5

infogiver wrote: »

dfeo wrote: »

Kills innocent and defenseless people.

Does it for her own good and gratitude.

Need I continue?

where is your evidence that she killed her own child for her own "good" (whatever that means) ? And what do you mean by "gratitude"? Gratitude for what?!? Gratitude towards whom?!
Also Hitler was a mass murdering despot dictator from Austria who declared war on the World and tried to eradicate a race. This woman suffered a psychotic episode following a traumatic pregnancy and committed an act of Infanticide.
I'm struggling to find comparisons but I'm looking forward to reading them when you point them out to us.

The comparison is they are both murderers.

Mrs Woman

FlawedGenius wrote: »

Judge must of fancied her, its the same with domestic violence these days the woman doesnt need any evidence for a safety or barring order yet theyl be handed one no questions asked. Women can litrilly get away with murder when its been proven by scientists women are more jealous nasty and calculated than men.

Yes I never thought of that, that the judge would let her off because he fancies her. I would say you've hit the nail on the head there.

maudgonner

FlawedGenius wrote: »

Judge must of fancied her, its the same with domestic violence these days the woman doesnt need any evidence for a safety or barring order yet theyl be handed one no questions asked. Women can litrilly get away with murder when its been proven by scientists women are more jealous nasty and calculated than men.

After I read the article and the comments after it, I was going to post that at least the standard of comment here on Boards was a damn sight better than there.


And then I saw this...

donkeykong5

infogiver wrote: »

dfeo wrote: »

I suppose female Nazis standing at the Nuremburg trials could have just claim PND then. This woman is no better than Hitler or Kim Jong Un.

Ok. Give us your comparisons between this woman and Hitler. Please.

Both murderers.

infogiver

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Don't be so silly. Of couse I am right. Don't know how many times you need to hear it . But............parents who kill innocent children are murderers. Can't eloborate further as I don't want to be banned from the forum.

This mother was found guilty of infanticide.
Your "elaboration" is completely unnecessary as it would be totally irrelevant.
As is the fact that you don't like that or agree with it.
Your stating that all parents who kill their children are murderers is your opinion and no more then that.
You may as well say today is Wednesday.
It's just not true and your saying it 1 million times won't change a thing.

infogiver

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Both murderers.

Wrong.
Hitler is a murderer and this woman isn't.
Unless you can link us to evidence that she is?
You can't because she's not.
Only inside your head....which believe it or not doesn't count in the real world.

Commotion Ocean

infogiver wrote: »

Wrong.
Hitler is a murderer and this woman isn't.
Unless you can link us to evidence that she is?
You can't because she's not.
Only inside your head....which believe it or not doesn't count in the real world.

The filthy scummy slut had an affair and just wanted to destroy the evidence, which happens to be an innocent child. PND my hole.

infogiver

maudgonner wrote: »

After I read the article and the comments after it, I was going to post that at least the standard of comment here on Boards was a damn sight better than there.


And then I saw this...

That's about the size of it. Moronic knuckle draggers fresh in from the Man Utd match in the pub.

Mod: Banned

infogiver

dfeo wrote: »

The filthy scummy slut had an affair and just wanted to destroy the evidence, which happens to be an innocent child. PND my hole.

That's right. All the filthy sluts claiming to have PND. Should be locked up in some kind of institution...babies removed from them...given to PROPER parents....

Commotion Ocean

infogiver wrote: »

Wrong.
Hitler is a murderer and this woman isn't.
Unless you can link us to evidence that she is?
You can't because she's not.
Only inside your head....which believe it or not doesn't count in the real world.

The slut had an affair and wanted to destroy the evidence, which in this case happened to be an innocent baby. just because this "woman" (and I use that word lightly) claims PND, doesn't mean it was true.

She is a skanky slut and deserves the most painful of deaths. Gallows is too good for this "woman".


Mod: Banned

Commotion Ocean

infogiver wrote: »

Wrong.
Hitler is a murderer and this woman isn't.
Unless you can link us to evidence that she is?
You can't because she's not.
Only inside your head....which believe it or not doesn't count in the real world.

infogiver wrote: »

That's right. All the filthy sluts claiming to have PND. Should be locked up in some kind of institution...babies removed from them...given to PROPER parents....

Read the article. She had an affair!

Do you feel one bit sorry for the father in this situation btw?

FlawedGenius

Mrs Woman wrote: »

Yes I never thought of that, that the judge would let her off because he fancies her. I would say you've hit the nail on the head there.

Well if she was very ugly and had substance abuse issues shed have got time, how do you know it didnt play a part when a blonde blue eyed good looking girl who doesnt look evil is looking up at the judge and puts on the usual crocodile tears women do??

FlawedGenius

maudgonner wrote: »

After I read the article and the comments after it, I was going to post that at least the standard of comment here on Boards was a damn sight better than there.


And then I saw this...

What you talking about. I am only stating facts.

Peregrine

Closed for review. Expect bans.

Peregrine

dfeo will be taking a holiday from AH. mdwexford, infogiver and dfeo banned from the thread also.

Any more trouble from this thread and I'm closing it. The last few pages were atrocious.

Mod

donkeykong5

Seeing as you banned dfeo and mdwexford and not infogiver then I will sign out as well. Pity as it was a good balanced thread imo. Apart from inforgiver constantly repeating itself. Over and out.

Mrs Woman

FlawedGenius wrote: »

Well if she was very ugly and had substance abuse issues shed have got time, how do you know it didnt play a part when a blonde blue eyed good looking girl who doesnt look evil is looking up at the judge and puts on the usual crocodile tears women do??

This is still a beautiful woman but perhaps not quite the temptress you think swayed the judge.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3534332/Mother-court-accused-murdering-baby-daughter.html