young family looking for house around Dundrum shopping center

Moonbeam

https://www.myhome.ie/rentals/brochure/wyckham-place-dundrum-dublin-14/3859064
https://www.myhome.ie/rentals/brochure/the-rowan-dundrum-dublin-14/3857489
https://www.myhome.ie/rentals/brochure/southmede-dundrum-dublin-16/3850510
At a quick look that is what I can see and I can not see any of them allowing a cat.

JustAThought

A friend of mine rented a big house for half nothing in the middle of nowhere (Meath/Weatmeath) and the landlord had no issue with their pets (3 cats) - motorway & train to Dublin closeby - school, pub and a one street village a few miles away. You may have to think laterally or rent a house where you can deny the cat and say it must be a stray and it adopted you after you moved in!!!

Problem is pets can do a lot of damage that is costly and time consuming to repair or replace. Notwitstanding the possible pong off chairs or couches or carpets, or iffy musk from cats, a leather couch with clawmarks, or chewed skirtingboards, or knawed door edges or a bed that has had a wet smelly dog lie and soak into the matress can quickly demolish a deposit - and that is before any human damage is factored in. You might get more sympathy traction on an old worn house but people want smart, high finished , clean homes - much loved pets , children and rented show type homes don't tylically go hand in hand - to your disadvantage.

Not sure what country you Are moving from - have you researched the quarentine obligations for your pet - rabies shots, etc. The whole conversation might be moot point.

TimeToShine

Lol at comparing Meath/Westmeath to Dundrum.

People coming from abroad do not want to live outside the city - spending 2 hours a day in a car to get to and from civilization is not an option for people moving over here - especially if they're already eyeballing prime real-estate.

Mongfinder General

TimeToShine wrote: »

Lol at comparing Meath/Westmeath to Dundrum.

People coming from abroad do not want to live outside the city - spending 2 hours a day in a car to get to and from civilization is not an option for people moving over here - especially if they're already eyeballing prime real-estate.

People moving here must think that we have a functioning housing market. We don't. But then again you'll always have people with unrealistic expectations

JustAThought

TimeToShine wrote: »

Lol at comparing Meath/Westmeath to Dundrum.

People coming from abroad do not want to live outside the city - spending 2 hours a day in a car to get to and from civilization is not an option for people moving over here - especially if they're already eyeballing prime real-estate.

I was not comparing the neverlands of meath/west-m to Dundrum - I was stating that it commutable Irish style & they might have to look at much wider options for their pet.

Lemming

OP, more a comment than anything else: almost all two-bedroom accommodation that you are likely to find around Dundrum, and surrounding areas like Kilmacud, Stillorgan, Ballinteer, and Sandyford (the list is by no means exhaustive - I'm just referring to areas within 20/30 mins walking distance) will be apartments. Most houses to be found in these areas are semi-detached three-bedrooms or more. Most apartments built in Dublin witin the last twenty years are very small and not good for having pets in.

JustAThought

As someone who was having work done & had to move & find somewhere to live for an indeterminate period of months I found trying to rent short term with a pet a total nightmare - I really had to work hard and think laterally to find a good solution - you are relying on the kindness of pet loving strangers.

Travelling with dogs/ cats - this article is quite good - notwithstanding the total absence of a straightforward path for a-z information from any government department & the utterly changable nature of the 'rules' and their application from place to place.

http://www.irishcentral.com/travel/moving-to-ireland/how-to-bring-your-pets-with-you-when-you-move-to-ireland

Good Luck Cat-Man!!

Samuel T. Cogley

The hyperbole is strong in this thread!

Suggest anything other than a month's deposit and expect to put off the vast majority of potential tenants. Most of them think it's some sort of scam. Granted in certain areas or property types you can get away with it, the tenant would just ask their butler to contact the solicitor if there was a problem. A pet deposit is quite another thing and perfectly reasonable.

Dundrum is going to be an issue, it's (for reasons that completely escape me) a very popular place to live. Widen your search, as other have said speak to landlords directly and every landlord is different. It's certainly not going to make it any easier but as a cat person myself it's make you standout to me, it would also suggest that you were going to be longer term as it would be more difficult for you to find somewhere.

Cats aren't as nearly a big a issue as dogs, but they do scratch and it would be perfectly reasonable for you to be expected to pay (hundreds) for specialist cleaning at the end of your tenancy.

JustAThought

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

The hyperbole is strong in this thread!

Suggest anything other than a month's deposit and expect to put off the vast majority of potential tenants. Most of them think it's some sort of scam. Granted in certain areas or property types you can get away with it, the tenant would just ask their butler to contact the solicitor if there was a problem. A pet deposit is quite another thing and perfectly reasonable.

Dundrum is going to be an issue, it's (for reasons that completely escape me) a very popular place to live. Widen your search, as other have said speak to landlords directly and every landlord is different. It's certainly not going to make it any easier but as a cat person myself it's make you standout to me, it would also suggest that you were going to be longer term as it would be more difficult for you to find somewhere.

Cats aren't as nearly a big a issue as dogs, but they do scratch and it would be perfectly reasonable for you to be expected to pay (hundreds) for specialist cleaning at the end of your tenancy.

Yes - three months deposit is increasingly standard <mod snip>

The OP will be moving - for work I assume ? they would be well advantaged to get their employer involved with a company lease agreement or short term (high cost) rental subsidy - assuming you are not just moving your children, family and cat for the craic & stress. Best of luck.

athtrasna

Mod note Posters are asked to stick the OP's issue and not take the thread off topic with deposit and other side tracks.

Dani_Din

JustAThought wrote: »

A friend of mine rented a big house for half nothing in the middle of nowhere (Meath/Weatmeath) and the landlord had no issue with their pets (3 cats) - motorway & train to Dublin closeby - school, pub and a one street village a few miles away. You may have to think laterally or rent a house where you can deny the cat and say it must be a stray and it adopted you after you moved in!!!

Problem is pets can do a lot of damage that is costly and time consuming to repair or replace. Notwitstanding the possible pong off chairs or couches or carpets, or iffy musk from cats, a leather couch with clawmarks, or chewed skirtingboards, or knawed door edges or a bed that has had a wet smelly dog lie and soak into the matress can quickly demolish a deposit - and that is before any human damage is factored in. You might get more sympathy traction on an old worn house but people want smart, high finished , clean homes - much loved pets , children and rented show type homes don't tylically go hand in hand - to your disadvantage.

Not sure what country you Are moving from - have you researched the quarentine obligations for your pet - rabies shots, etc. The whole conversation might be moot point.

dont worry mate, i paid for a company that does all the paperwork and taking care of the entire process.

JaMarcusHustle

OP - if you need to live near Dundrum for work/school reasons and are having trouble finding somewhere, perhaps you can consider somewhere along the green Luas line. It's a tram, and it stops in Dundrum (though the next stop Ballally is actually closer to the shopping centre).

Here is quite a large map you can look at areas on:
https://www.luas.ie/assets/graphics/RPA%20Marketing%20Campaigns/Got%20Kids%20Get%20Luas/MapOverview2.jpg

Dundrum/Balally are in the middle of the green line. The further south you go along the line, the more chance you'll have of finding somewhere. Just something to keep in mind.

cerastes

ariel77r wrote: »

dont worry mate, i paid for a company that does all the paperwork and taking care of the entire process.

You paid a company to do what?

Dani_Din

cerastes wrote: »

ariel77r wrote: »

dont worry mate, i paid for a company that does all the paperwork and taking care of the entire process.

You paid a company to do what?

To take care of the cat's paperwork and the flight

The_Conductor

Ariel- you're looking for a minimum 2 bed- in a prime location.
What is your budget- and how open are you to explore areas other than immediately around Dundrum shopping centre? I.e. are you willing to commute?
Dundrum is extremely high demand- and my reading of the situation is that you'd prefer more than 2 bedrooms- 2 bedrooms is a minimum.......?

I honestly think that you *have* to expand the list of areas you're willing to consider- the cat alone rules out an apartment (almost without exception, pets are forbidden in apartments- this is not at the discretion of the landlord to over-rule)- so you need a house- and preferably one with more than 2 bedrooms (you'll probably have the inlaws visiting etc- and need more space).

What is your maximum budget- and how willing are you to consider areas other than immediately close by to the Dundrum shopping centre (which is probably the highest demand area in the entire country)?

Dani_Din

Hi Conductor, thanks for the replay, my badge is around 1,900 euro. i dont mind to look at other areas around the dart train , like dun Laoghaire,Merrion, blackrock ,etc.

Toots

I don't mean to be pessimistic but I think you're going to have to adjust either location or budget. The areas you're mentioning are the highest priced in the whole country. You might swing a 2 bed there but with a cat I'd say you've little chance.

Dani_Din

Toots is Awesome wrote: »

I don't mean to be pessimistic but I think you're going to have to adjust either location or budget. The areas you're mentioning are the highest priced in the whole country. You might swing a 2 bed there but with a cat I'd say you've little chance.

any areas that you recommend around dublin ? ( my work is in dublin )

The_Conductor

ariel77r wrote: »

any areas that you recommend around dublin ? ( my work is in dublin )

I'd suggest going a little further afield (Bray/Greystones) or taking a slightly different approach and perhaps trying Maynooth/Leixlip (which are on the suburban rail line- with very frequent trains during peak hours into the city centre). Or you could take the other trainline- and try Sallins beside Naas Co. Kildare.

Your budget simply isn't going to cut it for the areas you're mentioning- definitely not for a 2-3 bed house, its simply not achievable.

Personally I'm not that fond of Bray- but it is on the Dart line, and you probably could make it work from a budget perspective etc- my own choice would be Maynooth. I'd consider Maynooth the beat of Sallins any day of the week- but it might be easier to get a house in Sallins than Maynooth.

I totally get why you want to live in the areas you've listed- unfortunately- everyone else wants to live there too (for the same reasons)- which is why rents there are at completely unbelievable levels.

Clafou

Clafou wrote: »

There's a simple solution. Just don't tell the landlord that you have a cat. Don't mention it, it's a small detail after all and you are probably a better than average tenant anyway. I'm sure there won't be damage or smells (the people who claim this probably don't know much about cats) but if there is then your deposit will cover it. If there's any issue, tell them that you did not have a cat when you moved in but that you do now because a family member was forced to "get rid" of theirs.

Just like there shouldn't be a contract that says "no kids", there shouldn't be a rental agreement preventing you from having pets. That's just ridiculous and creates terrible injustice with pets being abandoned just because landlords have no empathy or no sense of social responsibility.

Of course there will be damage and smells, you are in dreamland if you think there won't be hence why most LL don't allow pets. Not telling the LL is a terrible idea and will result in eviction and no reference for the next place they are looking.

An inspection will immediately tell if there is a pet living in the house apartment. Stupid excuses like I "took in a cat" wont be entertained by any LL its an obviously lie and even if it was true it makes no difference its still breaching the no pets rule.

Also of course LL should be allowed stipulate no pets, its their property and why would they want it subjected to traditional wear and tear along with the potential for problems with neighbours caused by pets.

Lumen

The_Conductor wrote: »

I'd suggest going a little further afield (Bray/Greystones) or taking a slightly different approach and perhaps trying Maynooth/Leixlip (which are on the suburban rail line- with very frequent trains during peak hours into the city centre).

Dublin 15 is good value and much more convenient for access to Dublin than Bray/Greystones, in my experience. You can cycle, drive, get the train or taxi depending on what day it is, and these options take about half the time they do from Greystones.

My commute from Greystones is only tolerable by motorbike (and cycling in summer, but you'd want to like cycling to do 60km a day).

My old 4-bed gaff in Clonsilla is now rented for about 1700/month, so as an area it's well within budget.

Maynooth is nice too but further out so you have fewer transport options.

Lemming

I'm confused. OP; whereabouts is your work in Dublin? Is it city centre based? Out near Dundrum? etc. You mentioned the Dart train line; which services a whole other section of Dublin to what the LUAS services.

Dani_Din

Lemming wrote: »

I'm confused. OP; whereabouts is your work in Dublin? Is it city centre based? Out near Dundrum? etc. You mentioned the Dart train line; which services a whole other section of Dublin to what the LUAS services.

its not about me, i can walk 50 km per day if i needed to. i care about my wife, so she could have activities with the kid. and the Dundrum shopping center is a perfect place as far as i heard.

Toots

ariel77r wrote: »

any areas that you recommend around dublin ? ( my work is in dublin )

Whereabouts in Dublin is your work? Is it city centre? Northside/southside?

Toots

ariel77r wrote: »

its not about me, i can walk 50 km per day if i needed to. i care about my wife, so she could have activities with the kid. and the Dundrum shopping center is a perfect place as far as i heard.

Dundrum shopping centre is literally just a massive shopping centre. It does have that Funky Monkeys play gym, but if you're looking to move there just so your wife has somewhere to do activities with your child, you'll get bored pretty fast. The Funky Monkeys thing is literally the only kid activity in there (apart from Cinema and Mc Donalds)

Also worth mentioning that if you drive, you can forget about being able to get in and out of your house easily from about mid November on. My parents live up the road from it, and it's an absolute nightmare when the Christmas shopping rush starts.

AndyBoBandy

ariel77r wrote: »

its not about me, i can walk 50 km per day if i needed to. i care about my wife, so she could have activities with the kid. and the Dundrum shopping center is a perfect place as far as i heard.

Can you advise what country/region you are moving from? as some areas could have larger groups from the same region, which could help with the integration for the family.

amtc

There's many children's centres. Blanchardstown. Liffey Valley. Personally I find Dundrum soulless

AndrewJRenko

Toots is Awesome wrote: »

Also worth mentioning that if you drive, you can forget about being able to get in and out of your house easily from about mid November on. My parents live up the road from it, and it's an absolute nightmare when the Christmas shopping rush starts.

THis is a gross exaggeration. I live 5 minutes away, and I was dropping family up and down to the centre over the Christmas period. At very peak times, 1pm-3pm on Saturdays and Sundays in December, it is certainly busy, but it moves. For the rest of the year, on a wet Saturday or Sunday, it gets busy on the approach roads, but is otherwise fairly easy going.

I agree with you that it's fairly soulless, like most shopping centres. There are lots of other facilities for kids in the area though: Marlay Park, Three Rock Mountain, Meadowbrook Gym/Pool, a rake of sports clubs (GAA, soccer, rugby, hockey, athletics and more), cubs/scouts and lots more.

Lemming

ariel77r wrote: »

its not about me, i can walk 50 km per day if i needed to. i care about my wife, so she could have activities with the kid. and the Dundrum shopping center is a perfect place as far as i heard.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

There are lots of other facilities for kids in the area though: Marlay Park, Three Rock Mountain, Meadowbrook Gym/Pool, a rake of sports clubs (GAA, soccer, rugby, hockey, athletics and more), cubs/scouts and lots more.

Ariel, if you look south/south-west from Dundrum towards the areas that Andrew has mentioned above there are plenty of activities and activity groups to be found, not to mention a lot of open green spaces and parkland to keep your family entertained. There are also a lot of decent schools to choose from if your family decides to stay.

bleary

Ah seriously, things aren't great but it's not Armageddon. You will have to work hard enough to find somewhere but that's the same in most cities.

The op has a healthy budget at 1900,2 bed houses near me have been renting for 1500-1600 in a nice area. I would advise maybe come over and find somewhere first rather than trying to rent from beyond. come over for the first month air Bnb on your own and see what and where you find.

Lots of landlords would like an expat who will leave again once the job ends. I've done this in tighter markets than Ireland currently and always survived ok. Though without a cat. You may find somewhere through work or family or friends.