Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017 *Warnings see OP-updated 09/05/17*

KaiserGunner

wandatowell wrote: »

DOn't think he's anywhere near good enough for Barca at the moment.

There aren't many attacking fullbacks better than him in world football imo. I know he had a poor season last season, but I think he would be tailor made for that Barcelona side.

He has six years left on his deal, so either keep him or get a ridiculous fee for him. I can't see him being sold this summer though as I don't think Barcelona will be able to blow a huge chunk of their budget on a rb. Unless of course Arsenal are stupid enough to accept an inevitable low ball offer from Barcelona. We did it with Fabregas, so I hope they learned from it.

greendom

irishman86 wrote: »

I agree but hes better than what they currently have

agreed - he's far better than some of the defenders they've bought recently - Digne and Umtiti for example - not to mention Mathieu!

Bellerin created a crazy amount of chances last season, from memory. Imagine how many assists that would mean with Barca's front 3.

FixitFelix

Basil3 wrote: »

Bellerin created a crazy amount of chances last season, from memory. Imagine how many assists that would mean with Barca's front 3.

His contract runs until 2023 so unless its an offer of 50m+ Arsenal should tell him he's staying put

FixitFelix

FixitFelix wrote: »

His contract runs until 2023 so unless its an offer of 50m+ Arsenal should tell him he's staying put

Read my post above ^^

Looper007

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Szczesny being sold to Juventus? Seems a bit mad to me, if Juve think he's good enough to take over from Buffon then surely he'd be worth putting back into the squad and fighting it out with Cech?

Would you rather be fighting it out with Buffon knowing you will win the title and cups and challenge in the CL even if you are second choice. Plus I don't think Szczesny wants to come back and wouldn't be surprised if he pushed for the move. Good luck to him.

greendom

Looper007 wrote: »

Would you rather be fighting it out with Buffon knowing you will win the title and cups and challenge in the CL even if you are second choice. Plus I don't think Szczesny wants to come back and wouldn't be surprised if he pushed for the move. Good luck to him.

I don't think he's a great loss even if we do lose Ospina.

I have a lot of faith in Martinez. He's looked very promising whenever he's played

domrush

greendom wrote: »

I don't think he's a great loss even if we do lose Ospina.

I have a lot of faith in Martinez. He's looked very promising whenever he's played

Ah he's played 13 games total for Arsenal over 5 years. I'd be sickened to lose Schz and Ospina in one window, would be brutal from the club. Can't see it happening.

greendom

domrush wrote: »

Ah he's played 13 games total for Arsenal over 5 years. I'd be sickened to lose Schz and Ospina in one window, would be brutal from the club. Can't see it happening.

Szez promised but never delivered and Ospina wants out. I'd be happy to give Martinez a year as Cech's no 2 to see if he can make himself the no 1.

Quazzie

greendom wrote: »

Szez promised but never delivered and Ospina wants out. I'd be happy to give Martinez a year as Cech's no 2 to see if he can make himself the no 1.

I have seen nothing from Martinez to even suggest he is anywhere near Szczesney's level.

Alfred Borden

Don't mind if we sell the two lads. Need a GK though. Cech has had injuries in the past few years and wouldn't fancy Martinez as #1 for a few weeks/months.

domrush

greendom wrote: »

Szez promised but never delivered and Ospina wants out. I'd be happy to give Martinez a year as Cech's no 2 to see if he can make himself the no 1.

Well he's clearly delivered in Italy. Juventus are looking to buy him to replace Buffoon, that tells me all I need to know about whether or not we should sell Schz. Think it's mad to sell two great keepers just to buy another. I don't want to go back to the Fabianski and Almunia days.

Wonda-Boy

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Don't mind if we sell the two lads. Need a GK though. Cech has had injuries in the past few years and wouldn't fancy Martinez as #1 for a few weeks/months.

Would not be the worse thing in the world if we got Joe Hart in for a decent fee, build up his confidence and he can be very consistent.

I think he started to believe his own hype and took his eye off the ball (pardon the pun) but he is a very good keeper and would prefer him the Szec and Ospin TBH.

Skylinehead

Based on their times in Serie A, Szczesny all day.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Would not be the worse thing in the world if we got Joe Hart in for a decent fee, build up his confidence and he can be very consistent.

I think he started to believe his own hype and took his eye off the ball (pardon the pun) but he is a very good keeper and would prefer him the Szec and Ospin TBH.

Joe hart is past his best. He's been poor for a long long time and his season in Italy has been an utter disaster.

For me even Cech isn't good enough. Bring back scez and let himself and Cech fight it out for #1

Osipna has been decent for us but he wants out so let him off.

Looper007

greendom wrote: »

I don't think he's a great loss even if we do lose Ospina.

I have a lot of faith in Martinez. He's looked very promising whenever he's played

still don't think Martinez is the answer and Cech hasn't filled me with confidence. I think we should be looking at Jordan Pickford from Sunderland, going to cost us a bit but the lad looks the real deal. But I be surprised if he wants to come and be back up for Cech.

Looper007

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Joe hart is past his best. He's been poor for a long long time and his season in Italy has been an utter disaster.

For me even Cech isn't good enough. Bring back scez and let himself and Cech fight it out for #1

Osipna has been decent for us but he wants out so let him off.

I think we would bring Scez back but I honestly feel it's him wanting out, a big move to CL runners up and the best team in Italy, where Buffon probably is in his last season. That side has a few more titles and Cups plus CL runs in them. Plus I'm sure he's enjoying life in Italy, why come back to a side where lets be honest it probably won't be winning the PL title, might have a cup run and Europa league football.

We can add GK to the Summer buys that we need.

greendom

Looper007 wrote: »

still don't think Martinez is the answer and Cech hasn't filled me with confidence. I think we should be looking at Jordan Pickford from Sunderland, going to cost us a bit but the lad looks the real deal. But I be surprised if he wants to come and be back up for Cech.

I think Cech had a poor run coinciding with poor form throughout the team but he had an excellent end to season.

emmetlego

I'm Baaaack!

Just wanted to say how much I absolutely loved that fantastic FA cup win. That reminded me of why I love this club so much. I loved the f**k out of that fully.

As for Wenger? F**k all I can do about it, not happy at all, but he's here for 2 years now, I'll get behind the team any time I get over to see them. COYG

irishman86

greendom wrote: »

agreed - he's far better than some of the defenders they've bought recently - Digne and Umtiti for example - not to mention Mathieu!

Id actually rank Umtiti on par with him, very good with the chance of becoming brilliant.

irishman86

Skylinehead wrote: »

Based on their times in Serie A, Szczesny all day.

One played for Roma, the other played for Torino

Skylinehead

irishman86 wrote: »

One played for Roma, the other played for Torino

That is indeed correct.

The Red Lad

Sell Scez he's not good enough and still isint like to see how many clean sheets he'd have in the premiership he's not good enough and never will be in my eyes, get rid of Ospina too and bring in Pickford or Butland all a waste of time really as Wenger has said he won't be buying a goalkeeper regardless who leaves.

The Red Lad

The Red Lad wrote: »

Sell Scez he's not good enough and still isint like to see how many clean sheets he'd have in the premiership he's not good enough and never will be in my eyes, get rid of Ospina too and bring in Pickford or Butland all a waste of time really as Wenger has said he won't be buying a goalkeeper regardless who leaves.

Well that's that sorted then.

irishman86

Skylinehead wrote: »

That is indeed correct.

Its easier to look decent playing for a top team rather than a midtable team in goal.

KaiserGunner

The Red Lad wrote: »

Sell Scez he's not good enough and still isint like to see how many clean sheets he'd have in the premiership he's not good enough and never will be in my eyes, get rid of Ospina too and bring in Pickford or Butland all a waste of time really as Wenger has said he won't be buying a goalkeeper regardless who leaves.

Szcezney has played well for Roma the past two years, a team that has finished runners up both times I think. He also has been a good keeper for Arsenal in the premier league for a few seasons until that smoking in the showers thing.

I'd rather tie him down to a new deal and let him fight with Cech in preseason for the number one jersey. Obviously if he doesn't sign a new deal then he should be sold.

Pickford and Butland would cost a bomb and haven't exactly proven themselves at the highest level I.E upper premier league and champions league. I'd rather keep the money and go with what we have.
I'd take a punt on Pickford if we sell Ospina and Szcezney though. However Martinez looks to be a good prospect too.

Long story short, basically I don't think goalkeeper is a pressing need for us, quite a good spot to be in after the Almunia years.

KaiserGunner

irishman86 wrote: »

Its easier to look decent playing for a top team rather than a midtable team in goal.

I completely disagree with that. It's arguably easier to look decent in a mid table or struggling team as you are kept busier with shots and tend to make more saves. A big part of goalkeeping is concentration and being able to make that one save after being kept quiet all game.

It's why I would be wary of judging Pickford. He played in a terrible Sunderland team and could showcase his shotstopping as he was kept really busy. If he was at a better team, he would have a different kind of pressure and mistakes with concentration would be even more scrutinised at a club like Arsenal.

irelandrover

One of the things with Pickford is that he has terrible distribution. Quite often his clearances go straight out of play in his own half or straight to an opposition player.

He is a great shot stopper but at a club like arsenal you need more.

Skylinehead

irishman86 wrote: »

Its easier to look decent playing for a top team rather than a midtable team in goal.

Arguable. All too often a keeper looks great for a lower side, goes to a bigger team and is nowhere near the standard required (Mignolet for example).

wawaman

Skylinehead wrote: »

Arguable. All too often a keeper looks great for a lower side, goes to a bigger team and is nowhere near the standard required (Mignolet for example).

Or Richard Wright

Ardennes1944

wawaman wrote: »

Or Richard Wright

Mister lapse in concentration himself

irishman86

KaiserGunner wrote: »

I completely disagree with that. It's arguably easier to look decent in a mid table or struggling team as you are kept busier with shots and tend to make more saves. A big part of goalkeeping is concentration and being able to make that one save after being kept quiet all game.

It's why I would be wary of judging Pickford. He played in a terrible Sunderland team and could showcase his shotstopping as he was kept really busy. If he was at a better team, he would have a different kind of pressure and mistakes with concentration would be even more scrutinised at a club like Arsenal.

I will in turn use Valdes as a example for a keeper who was over rated purely as he played for Barcelona
Hart at City showed he was a top keeper, playing last season in a mid table team he wasnt as bad as some are saying.
He had a few mistakes but over all was a good signing

irishman86

Skylinehead wrote: »

Arguable. All too often a keeper looks great for a lower side, goes to a bigger team and is nowhere near the standard required (Mignolet for example).

I guess it can be argued both ways then :pac:
Either way I rate Hart higher than Szczęsny

Quazzie

irishman86 wrote: »

I guess it can be argued both ways then :pac:
Either way I rate Hart higher than Szczęsny

If Hart wasn't English he wouldn't have ever made it near a top team in England, or anywhere for that matter

wonga77

Just noticed this on the twitter machine

https://twitter.com/HectorBellerin/status/872844575194435584

irishman86

Quazzie wrote: »

If Hart wasn't English he wouldn't have ever made it near a top team in England, or anywhere for that matter

Thats just not true. He is a fine keeper far better than Mignolet at Liverpool for example and the goalie that Everton play. Because he is English he gets underrated here

beer enigma

I see Jeremy Wilson in the Telegraph is quoting Sanchez as saying " his future now rests on talks between his agent and Arsenal"

Whilst that's obviously the case, it doesn't really give any hint of commitment towards the club.

Quazzie

beer enigma wrote: »

I see Jeremy Wilson in the Telegraph is quoting Sanchez as saying " his future now rests on talks between his agent and Arsenal"

Whilst that's obviously the case, it doesn't really give any hint of commitment towards the club.

There is no commitment from his side. He came from Chile to play football and earn money. Where he does that, doesn't matter to him. He definitely didn't grow up in Chile dreaming of one day playing for Arsenal.

DvB

All the talk of trophies & CL football suchlike is nonsense from 9/10 players. They'll go to who pays the most IMO. If a player gets more money at his current club than anyone else is offering he'll stay, simple as IMO.

Do you think a player will move to the likes of Bayern Munich/Juventus for less money so he can potentially win a couple of medals? If he was of the opinion he was already set up for life financially then why are wages so important? If anyone was that set up then I could see the attraction of moving to win stuff, easily in fact, but if you were that well financially set up why bother making reference to wages at all, it would be the attraction of the bidding club & its ability to challenge for the big trophies, not its pay packet that would be the deciding factor surely?

With Sanchez though its a hard call, is he part of the 9/10 that just wants as much money as possible, or is he the 1/10 that feels he has the financial freedom to just move to allow greater success on the pitch & a challenge for the big trophies? I know to the fans all these top players are wealthy & set up, but yet salary demands play a huge part in all contract negotiations, so it clearly remains a huge factor.

Thing is will arsenal pay up?

Wonda-Boy

Really hope we keep Sanchez, I would sacrifice Ozil to keep him. Hell sell Ozil and give Alexis his wages lol.

Arne_Saknussem

Sanchez is as good as gone imo, think Ozil will stay.

Quazzie

Mark the calendar guys. Today is the sad day that the club is without Sanogo. We will be at a loss for him having moved on. I'm sure he'll tear it up at whatever French third tier side he ends up at.

YAYA SANOGO 2013-2017

keano_afc

I remember the summer of 2013. I spent so many days practising how to properly say Higuain only to discover it was pronounced Sanogo.

dibs101

Costa Anyone???? Would love if he signed an absolute b*****d like Costa, he showed in the hunt for vardy last year that he is not totally averse to the idea of a signing of this ilk. Would it make Sanchez, ozil etc reconsider????

Ol' Donie

dibs101 wrote: »

Costa Anyone???? Would love if he signed an absolute b*****d like Costa, he showed in the hunt for vardy last year that he is not totally averse to the idea of a signing of this ilk. Would it make Sanchez, ozil etc reconsider????

The enemy of my enemy (the Portugese snake) is my friend.

Come on in, Diego. Make yourself at home.

Ol' Donie

Ol' Donie wrote: »

The enemy of my enemy (the Portugese snake) is my friend.

Come on in, Diego. Make yourself at home.

dibs101 wrote: »

Costa Anyone???? Would love if he signed an absolute b*****d like Costa, he showed in the hunt for vardy last year that he is not totally averse to the idea of a signing of this ilk. Would it make Sanchez, ozil etc reconsider????

I cant stand that Costa. He's despicable. Mourinho on the pitch if you like. I dont buy this unquenchable 'will to win' bullsh1t either. You can have a terrific will to win and still behave yourself and play the game honestly and fairly.

Anyways he probably would never make the pitch with Robbie Holding continously marking him out of it in training. :pac:

dibs101

dibs101 wrote: »

Costa Anyone???? Would love if he signed an absolute b*****d like Costa, he showed in the hunt for vardy last year that he is not totally averse to the idea of a signing of this ilk. Would it make Sanchez, ozil etc reconsider????

Mr 'Chat sh1t-Get banged' (Copyright Jamie Vardy 2017) can stay where he is too along with his bint of a missus. Himself and Mahrez were nowhere to be seen until Ranieri was sacked. Kante probably made both of them look better then they were doing all the hard yards for them

The Red Lad

Like him or not Costa is a winner and a very aggressive tough player I'd take him with welcome arms regardless of his rep he's the only person I could see fitting straight in and banging in goals from the get go prem proven it's exactly what we need and would soften Alexis leaving the lad certainly knows where the goals are.

The Red Lad

The Red Lad wrote: »

Like him or not Costa is a winner and a very aggressive tough player I'd take him with welcome arms regardless of his rep he's the only person I could see fitting straight in and banging in goals from the get go prem proven it's exactly what we need and would soften Alexis leaving the lad certainly knows where the goals are.

Going back to what Rocky Rocastle said 'Remember who you are, where you are and what you represent'. Does this guy fit this ethos? Absolutely not.

Im sick of scurrilous behaviour of a modern day footballer being described as some amazing quality. Same with Suarez, an outstanding player but a pup. These players dont need to act like this to prove they have desire. Dennis Bergkamp certainly didnt

Skylinehead

Deleted User wrote: »

Going back to what Rocky Rocastle said 'Remember who you are, where you are and what you represent'. Does this guy fit this ethos? Absolutely not.

Im sick of scurrilous behaviour of a modern day footballer being described as some amazing quality. Same with Suarez, an outstanding player but a pup. These players dont need to act like this to prove they have desire. Dennis Bergkamp certainly didnt

Ah now I remember Dennis had a temper of his own, loved a good sneaky elbow.