Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017 *Warnings see OP-updated 09/05/17*

highbury1913

Neville Southall in some of his comments about him were right. Once he got No.1 he was quite content with what he achieved and didn't push himself enough to improve as a keeper. He seems to have matured now as a keeper. I can't really blame the club on this one. He was inconsistent and then we had the incident at Southampton. Many of us here were probably in agreement then that it was right for him to move on.

Remember this as well, I don't think Peyton is rated as a coach by Arsenal keepers over the years. Fabianski for one told Wenger this when he left for Swansea.

wonga77

greendom wrote: »

I'd say he's a keeper equivalent to Walcott, Wilshere or Gibbs in outfield. Decent level but not the type of player who's going to push you on to win the league.

Always a mistake in him and his mentality can be found wanting. We can do better

Obviously, Juve see something in him. To be fair to him he was thrown in at a young age, I think he was only 20 when he was in goal for that Carling cup final against Birmingham, With the exception of a special few, most keepers don't hit their prime till their late twenties. I can't claim to have watched any Roma games so I don't know how he has developed over there, maybe the change of scenery and new voices did him good. Either way, how many years are left in Cech? 2 maybe? He is also very prone to errors. There probably are better out there but I wouldn't trust the club to go out and get them

highbury1913

Wilshere been told he can leave.

Who would have thought his career would have gone the way it did after the 10/11 season.

A pity because I'm a huge fan, yet it's probably the right decision in the circumstances.

We may never see him get a near that form consistently again.

Soups123

highbury1913 wrote: »

Wilshere been told he can leave.

Who would have thought his career would have gone the way it did after the 10/11 season.

A pity because I'm a huge fan, yet it's probably the right decision in the circumstances.

We may never see him get a near that form consistently again.

Is this fact or twitter? Last I heard from Wenger was he was staying for sure

highbury1913

Soups123 wrote: »

Is this fact or twitter? Last I heard from Wenger was he was staying for sure

A few papers tomorrow.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-tell-jack-wilshere-can-10825265

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4708576/Jack-Wilshere-given-green-light-leave-Arsenal.html

Soups123

On Woj too many deciding we want him because Juv want him, there's no logic in that.

He is a good keeper but there are another 50 like him decent at that level, Ospina is better than Woj.

Czech has another reliable year or two in him, I'd rather we found a better solution than Woj

I liked Woj good character but lacks professionalism if reports on him are to be believed

greendom

Soups123 wrote: »

On Woj too many deciding we want him because Juv want him, there's no logic in that.

He is a good keeper but there are another 50 like him decent at that level, Ospina is better than Woj.

Czech has another reliable year or two in him, I'd rather we found a better solution than Woj

I liked Woj good character but lacks professionalism if reports on him are to be believed

Agreed, who's to say Italian football may suit his style better. He's been found wanting too many times for me to have any faith in him.

Alfred Borden

https://twitter.com/hmafc/status/886664286130642944

Quazzie

Soups123 wrote: »

Ospina is better than Woj.

He really isn't.

Soups123

Quazzie wrote: »

He really isn't.

Based on what they have produced for Arsenal I would say he is but each to there own

Quazzie

Soups123 wrote: »

Based on what they have produced for Arsenal I would say he is but each to there own

How many good games has Ospina had for us? I can't recall any where he stood out.

Also saying on what they've produced for Arsenal is a moot point because it's not about that, it's about what they can produce for Arsenal that matters.

Soups123

Quazzie wrote: »

How many good games has Ospina had for us? I can't recall any where he stood out.

Also saying on what they've produced for Arsenal is a moot point because it's not about that, it's about what they can produce for Arsenal that matters.

It kind of is, both had chances and performed at there respective levels, Woj has done good at Roma but not amazing by any stretch. Ospina has had loads of brilliant games, I don't think him or Woj are top class, I think Ospina is slightly better but that's just my opinion

Arghus

Jesus. That clip brought back some bad memories.

brianregan09

The amount of stupid penaltys ......

Quazzie

Quazzie wrote: »

How many good games has Ospina had for us? I can't recall any where he stood out.

Also saying on what they've produced for Arsenal is a moot point because it's not about that, it's about what they can produce for Arsenal that matters.

Can't think of which games they were but the only times I remember thinking Ospina looked good was when we lost anyway.


Meh, finding it hard to get excited about anything Arsenal-related. Even looking at Chesney there, we get rid of an error-prone keeper and it yields no improvement. Cech is absolutely middle-of-the-road at this stage of his career. People are somehow happy to get rid of our second-highest goalscorer from last season because of the usual abstract "lacks bottle" rubbish. Oh he jumped out of a tackle.
We're getting rid of Chambers (what a signing that turned out to be), Wilshere who so many held out hope for for ages.
It's all completely meh. Lacazette should be a nice buy but I don't see it improving us by 4 spots in the league. Also the Thursday/Sunday layout is going to be a pain this season.

highbury1913

Arghus wrote: »

Jesus. That clip brought back some bad memories.

brianregan09 wrote: »

The amount of stupid penaltys ......

True.

The signs were there as early as his first full season in 11/12 and on top of that the disastrous game he had for Poland against Greece in Euro 2012. By the way another penalty coming off his line in that game and a huge mistake for their goal.

We arguably persevered too long with him. A new keeper should have even been bought then.

We forget as well this in the Champions League for Roma.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd2p7vpOByo

AdamD

Thought Cech was terrible last year, if he had Szczesny on his back he would have gotten far more abuse for it.

greendom

AdamD wrote: »

Thought Cech was terrible last year, if he had Szczesny on his back he would have gotten far more abuse for it.

He got called out for it too. As the defence improved with 3 at the back so did he

AdamD

greendom wrote: »

He got called out for it too. As the defence improved with 3 at the back so did he

Arseblog did a decent article which showed that statistically we were allowing just as many shots with 3 at the back and the only change was that Cech was saving more.

AdamD

AdamD wrote: »

Arseblog did a decent article which showed that statistically we were allowing just as many shots with 3 at the back and the only change was that Cech was saving more.

I always thought that the back 3 wasn't so much about improving the defence, but more about improving our attack. That said, I'd still expect our back 3 to improve defensively over time as players are more used to their roles.

wandatowell

AdamD wrote: »

Arseblog did a decent article which showed that statistically we were allowing just as many shots with 3 at the back and the only change was that Cech was saving more.

I thought that too just by watching games, it seemed to me that Cech was making saves he wasn't making earlier in the season.

domrush

Czech changed his goalkeeper coach to the coach he had at chels around the time we switched to 3 at the back too

Ardennes1944

Cech, Bielik, Mertesacker, Monreal, Maitland-Niles, Coquelin, Xhaka, Kolasinac, Ozil, Welbeck, Lacazette

Dolph Starbeam

Looking forward to see how Ozil and Lacazette play together, obviously very early days but still looking forward to it.

So it seems this match is only on Eirports 2. The Chelsea match on Saturday will also be on Arsenal Player.

greendom

I thought Bielik looked very composed in the last match and his range of passing was Xhaka like. Be interesting to see how he gets on with a better quality of opposition.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Theres a few streams on Youtube

Bayern just scored a dodgy pen 1-0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uijimBp6Jfk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp9esheGYwY

Quazzie

Penalty. Lewandowski.

Arne_Saknussem

Nice play by Welbeck there, would have been a great goal if Ozil finished.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Arne_Saknussem wrote: »

Nice play by Welbeck there, would have been a great goal if Ozil finished.

Typical Ozil weak shot at the end though, he really needs to work on that.

Kolasinac is a bit of a beast

smilerf

Maitland Niles being crucified so far

Arne_Saknussem

Basil3 wrote: »

Kolasinac is a bit of a beast

He looks pleasingly no-nonsense so far.

Arne_Saknussem

No offside there.

I know this is just a friendly and all but this team badly needs a Cazorla replacement, midfield gets cleaned out by any decent side.

Incorrect offside call? Should be 2-0 down.

Skylinehead

Basil3 wrote: »

Incorrect offside call? Should be 2-0 down.

Well, 1-0 if the ref calls out the diving penalty...

Arne_Saknussem

Great chance Lacazette, keeper did well but should have scored.

CatInABox

Some good saves from Cech there, the defence are certainly giving him the opportunity to show off his skills.

KaiserGunner

The officials have been really poor in this match, especially with offside calls.

Arne_Saknussem

Was Kolasinac taken off because he was injured?

Dolph Starbeam

Arne_Saknussem wrote: »

Was Kolasinac taken off because he was injured?

The commentators are unsure, he looked fine walking off so he might just have not been feeling well. Mert pulled out of the starting 11 due to illness. We should probably see a good few more changes at half time of after 10 or 15 minutes.

5star02707

might have been the food they ate earlier :L :L "sickness" on a more serious note our team still isn't fluid. Some robust passes and for crying out loud somebody shoot!

Roaster

This ref is terrible. It might be a friendly but we just stand off way too much for my liking. I've been fairly impressed with the kids in pre-season so far.

emmetlego

I've been impressed with Elneny in the back 3.

And yes, the referee and his officials have got some really bad calls in this. That yellow for Elneny was ridiculous.

Fantastic goal on the break

allinthehead

Brilliant from Iwobi

5star02707

IWOBI!!

Arne_Saknussem

Penalties!

That was really nice by Ramsey to pop it up with his left foot. A lot of footballers wouldn't do that just because it's their wrong foot, drives me mad.

Arne_Saknussem

Top corner from Nacho