Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017 *Warnings see OP-updated 09/05/17*

mansize

https://twitter.com/arseblognews/status/832182802242224128


March for a decision?

ronjo

mansize wrote: »

https://twitter.com/arseblognews/status/832182802242224128


March for a decision?

Cant see Twitter here.
What does it say?

Nemeses2050

mansize wrote: »

In different seasons, adding a high value player is winning the league??? But adding numerous isn't? Do me a favour

Arsenal aren't poor, but they haven't the cash cows City and Chelsea have

I fully understand that we couldn't compete with Chelsea/Man City in the market for a decade but performances like last night has nothing to do with money, it was shambolic to say the least...they were like headless chickens in the second half. so please don't bring money in every abysmal performance.

mansize

Mickeroo wrote: »

Finish 2nd and nearly win.

Nearly never bulled a cow as my brother says.

If we nearly win will they make t shirts? We nearly won the UCL, didn't, doesn't console

mansize

Nemeses2050 wrote: »

I fully understand that we couldn't compete with Chelsea/Man City in the market for a decade but performances like last night has nothing to do with money, it was shambolic to say the least...they were like headless chickens in the second half. so please don't bring money in every abysmal performance.

We are discussing more than that now tbf.

mansize

ronjo wrote: »

Cant see Twitter here.
What does it say?

http://news.arseblog.com/2017/02/wenger-hints-decision-on-future-could-come-in-march/?utm_campaign=autotwitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

duffman13

mansize wrote: »

I'm off to enjoy the free sights of Munich. Later guys

Why don't ya get your head out of your phone and enjoy the sights?

Seriously though I understand why you hold on to the loyalty you do but is there no failings that are Wengers fault in your eyes? You seem to have an excuse for everything that is said about him!

Quazzie

SlickRic wrote: »

Stop taking one tiny part of what I said, taking it out of context, and running with it.

You're obviously new to this thread.

Mickeroo

mansize wrote: »

Nearly never bulled a cow as my brother says.

If we nearly win will they make t shirts? We nearly won the UCL, didn't, doesn't console

At least nearly tried.

mansize

duffman13 wrote: »

Why don't ya get your head out of your phone and enjoy the sights?

Seriously though I understand why you hold on to the loyalty you do but is there no failings that are Wengers fault in your eyes? You seem to have an excuse for everything that is said about him!

I have highlighted Wenger's failings, but believe he's successes still outweigh them enough to give him respect

grumpymunster

Arsenal have out spent Chelsea over the past 5 years not really a lot to show for it on the field. So Arsenal are have tried to buy the league but it has not worked out.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier-league-last-five-seasons/transfer-league-tables/premier-league-table-last-five-seasons

mansize

grumpymunster wrote: »

Arsenal have out spent Chelsea over the past 5 years not really a lot to show for it on the field. So Arsenal are have tried to buy the league but it has not worked out.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier-league-last-five-seasons/transfer-league-tables/premier-league-table-last-five-seasons

I have explained before how that logic is flawed so I won't bother repeating it. Picking an arbitrary point in time is never good analysis

domrush

mansize wrote: »

I have highlighted Wenger's failings, but believe he's successes still outweigh them enough to give him respect

I respect him. Nearly everyone here respects him. Noone is debating the respect for the man.

However he's out of touch with modern football and has been for a while now. Best for both him and the club if he moved on.

mansize

domrush wrote: »

I respect him. Nearly everyone here respects him. Noone is debating the respect for the man.

However he's out of touch with modern football and has been for a while now. Best for both him and the club if he moved on.

I feel somethings said about him are horrible unfair and disrespectful

Albert_Camus

GavRedKing wrote: »

So what youre saying is Arsenal are funded by Usmanovs "oil" money too?

It's not the same though, you know this.

GavRedKing

mansize wrote: »

I have explained before how that logic is flawed so I won't bother repeating it. Picking an arbitrary point in time is never good analysis

Its more of timespan than one single point in time, Arsenal ahve tried to compete. Theyve spent serious money but still came up short, so thats on Wenger, IMO.

A better coach has Arsenal fighting for the title up until the last kick of the ball or better, winning the league.

Its all well and good saying we finished second so we were close to winning it, how many points did Leicester win the tiutle by, 8 or 9 points? Arsenal were never in the title race down the home stretch, Leicester romped to the title without much pressure.

domrush

mansize wrote: »

I feel somethings said about him are horrible unfair and disrespectful

I don't agree with you on a lot of things and I find your posting style abrasive but yes there's been some harsh things put to the man.

However when you claim the team is the strongest its ever been then get hockeyed in the CL and face another battle just to win the right to get hockeyed again next year I can understand why tempers are up. Time to go. Its easy to argue bout the lack of success before him and I'll always be grateful to him for turning us into a properly big club, but he's lost touch with how to use the resources available to him effectively, to the point where I couldn't see us slipping any further with a semi competent manager.

I would fancy United to finish above us this year in their first year with a competent manager, who had to build a side from scratch. Says a lot.

GavRedKing

Albert_Camus wrote: »

It's not the same though, you know this.

Well youve Kroenke milking the club and taking huge dividends but Usmanov wants to spend big.

So on one hand youve got potential success and spending to compete with the biggest in the game on the other hand youve an excellent business model that ensures its sustainable.

Arsenal need a middle ground and nearly every big club has it.

grumpymunster

mansize wrote: »

I have explained before how that logic is flawed so I won't bother repeating it. Picking an arbitrary point in time is never good analysis

Arbitrary - the last 5 years would be current to my mind therefore fundamental to a discussion as to why Arsenal have not won the league in recent times, then one would say it is absolutely logical and discussing prior history is irrelevant.

For what it is worth I really hope Wenger gets a new contract I like him.

domrush

Chelsea probably the most business savvy club in the league. Don't know why they're being bashed with a stick on here for spending big initially, they've been fairly self funded in recent years through excellent transfer dealings, success and a great youth farming system.

Albert_Camus

GavRedKing wrote: »

Well youve Kroenke milking the club and taking huge dividends but Usmanov wants to spend big.

So on one hand youve got potential success and spending to compete with the biggest in the game on the other hand youve an excellent business model that ensures its sustainable.

Arsenal need a middle ground and nearly every big club has it.

Exactly I agree with that. Chelsea's model is very different to Arsenal. I presume this is what mansize is getting at.

I'm not saying one is right and one is wrong, but to ignore that fact would be missing out on a large part of the situation.

grumpymunster

domrush wrote: »

Chelsea probably the most business savvy club in the league. Don't know why they're being bashed with a stick on here for spending big initially, they've been fairly self funded in recent years through excellent transfer dealings, success and a great youth farming system.

Thing is top flight football has a very high barrier to entry. If I wanted to start a company tomorrow making chips for computers I would have to spend quite a few schillings in order to compete with Intel or AMD.

To compete with the best you have to be prepared to spend - and FFP just reinforced that really.

mansize

domrush wrote: »

Chelsea probably the most business savvy club in the league. Don't know why they're being bashed with a stick on here for spending big initially, they've been fairly self funded in recent years through excellent transfer dealings, success and a great youth farming system.

It wasn't bashing- it was saying what the new reality is. They spent big initially and now plateaued so that's why the 5 year spend thing is an unfair comparison

If a man ploughs and tills his field for years and enriches the soil, Do people expend the same results a few years later if his neighbour hasnt but now buys the same seeds???

I know my posting style can appear aggressive I do try to temper that. It goes against me in real life too- a contrary bastard to discuss things with!

Apologies to Gav or anyone new today who feels I was abrasive with them. I am trying

Albert_Camus

grumpymunster wrote: »

Thing is top flight football has a very high barrier to entry. If I wanted to start a company tomorrow making chips for computers I would have to spend quite a few schillings in order to compete with Intel or AMD.

To compete with the best you have to be prepared to spend - and FFP just reinforced that really.

Yes, to be the best in Europe which I presume the Emirates was built in anticipation for, then you have to pay the best , get the best etc.

Will be an interesting few years ahead for Arsenal.

And other teams in the premier league, a lot of teams wanting that top spot in the league.

mansize

grumpymunster wrote: »

domrush wrote: »

Chelsea probably the most business savvy club in the league. Don't know why they're being bashed with a stick on here for spending big initially, they've been fairly self funded in recent years through excellent transfer dealings, success and a great youth farming system.

Thing is top flight football has a very high barrier to entry. If I wanted to start a company tomorrow making chips for computers I would have to spend quite a few schillings in order to compete with Intel or AMD.

To compete with the best you have to be prepared to spend - and FFP just reinforced that really.

FFP was a joke. Now it's a dead joke

mansize

grumpymunster wrote: »

domrush wrote: »

Chelsea probably the most business savvy club in the league. Don't know why they're being bashed with a stick on here for spending big initially, they've been fairly self funded in recent years through excellent transfer dealings, success and a great youth farming system.

Thing is top flight football has a very high barrier to entry. If I wanted to start a company tomorrow making chips for computers I would have to spend quite a few schillings in order to compete with Intel or AMD.

To compete with the best you have to be prepared to spend - and FFP just reinforced that really.

FFP was a joke. Now it's a dead joke

wonga77

I hadnt checked in since this morning, thought I had missed some announcement...
Im gobsmacked at how a person can be on a short trip abroad in a beautiful city like Munich and still find so much time to be glued to a phone posting on Boards???

mansize

Lunch at Kennedy's and free wifi, this thread is more addictive that crack sometimes. And I'm broke!

grumpymunster

mansize wrote: »

Lunch at Kennedy's and free wifi, this thread is more addictive that crack sometimes. And I'm broke!

Munich not a great place to be when broke, lovely place but expensive.

grumpymunster

mansize wrote: »

FFP was a joke. Now it's a dead joke

Yea would agree with that seemed to die with the change at the top in UEFA, still the threat is on the books until the rules are officially relaxed.

Either that or it will be enforced with vigor and that would be real interesting.

Quazzie

mansize wrote: »

Lunch at Kennedy's and free wifi, this thread is more addictive that crack sometimes. And I'm broke!

BMW Welt is free and a decent way to waste an hour or two if you've any interests in cars.

mansize

Quazzie I don't but cheers. I'll prob just mooch around looking at architecture

Munich being expensive is the reason I'm
Broke lol

peteeeed

grumpymunster wrote: »

Munich not a great place to be when broke, lovely place but expensive.

happy place though #2012

Quazzie

mansize wrote: »

Quazzie I don't but cheers. I'll prob just mooch around looking at architecture

Munich being expensive is the reason I'm
Broke lol

I'm an architecture buff myself, and that's the second best reason to go to BMW Welt.

Mr.Micro

Success at Arsenal is finish in the top 4 in the PL. Get knocked out in the last 16 first leg of CL. Win the odd FA cup. Then that is OK by many. Mr Wenger can do that. Manage the club so that the money men get their returns, a safe pair of hands. Mr Wenger can do that.

Anything better, a new manager is needed. Several players on the team too soft. No doubt next season it will be rinse and repeat. I would rather not qualify for the CL for the team to be humiliated annually.

greendom

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Success at Arsenal is finish in the top 4 in the PL. Get knocked out in the last 16 first leg of CL. Win the odd FA cup. Then that is OK by many. Mr Wenger can do that. Manage the club so that the money men get their returns, a safe pair of hands. Mr Wenger can do that.

Anything better, a new manager is needed. Several players on the team too soft. No doubt next season it will be rinse and repeat. I would rather not qualify for the CL for the team to be humiliated annually.

there's a real danger of missing out on CL this season. 5 clubs after 3 places and if Koscielny is out for a significant length of time we will really struggle.

Mr.Micro

greendom wrote: »

there's a real danger of missing out on CL this season. 5 clubs after 3 places and if Koscielny is out for a significant length of time we will really struggle.

It might be for the better, if anything, it might generate motivation and change.

I would further argue we are not good enough to be in the CL, on the current evidence and the last few seasons.

Gringo180

mansize wrote: »

I still enjoyed the matchday experience last eve. The away fans are a hardcore passionate bunch!

Robben's goal was sublime and Sanchez' penalty was entertaining.

I don't consider the money spent coming to Germany (or Scotland two weeks ago) money wasted.

domrush

United are playing better football than us. City making their comeback. Pool will probably click with Mane back and tend to perform well against the big teams. Spurs with an excellent defence and a good system.

I'd have us as underdogs to get CL. Especially since we completely rely on Sanchez to create and score everything.

wandatowell

Mickeroo wrote: »

At least nearly tried.

Awe that's cute.

mansize

Gringo180 wrote: »

mansize wrote: »

I still enjoyed the matchday experience last eve. The away fans are a hardcore passionate bunch!

Robben's goal was sublime and Sanchez' penalty was entertaining.

I don't consider the money spent coming to Germany (or Scotland two weeks ago) money wasted.

That's not what I said, but the positives do outweigh the negatives- or these meds are REALLY good lol

wandatowell

grumpymunster wrote: »

Yea would agree with that seemed to die with the change at the top in UEFA, still the threat is on the books until the rules are officially relaxed.

Either that or it will be enforced with vigor and that would be real interesting.

I figured a bunch of the big teams banded together and said to UEFA either FFP is scrapped or the European Super League would be back on the table. Christ Arsenal bought into it hook, line and sinker. Surely people inside football knew the reality of it FFP wouldn't work with so many powerful teams.

Quazzie

mansize wrote: »

That's not what I said, but the positives do outweigh the negatives- or these meds are REALLY good lol

I think the meds are working spectacularly if you think there were more positives last night than negatives.

Skylinehead

I can think of 5 pretty big negatives last night

mansize

I did say the matchday experience- and Robben's goal was class

peteeeed

i'm sorry but this is funny

grumpymunster

grumpymunster wrote: »

Arsenal have out spent Chelsea over the past 5 years not really a lot to show for it on the field. So Arsenal are have tried to buy the league but it has not worked out.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier-league-last-five-seasons/transfer-league-tables/premier-league-table-last-five-seasons

I propose Arsenal spend a billion on players next Summer. Would have a pretty good chance of winning the league, and could also have pretty much 0 net spend for the 5 years following. Win win.

wawaman

domrush wrote: »

United are playing better football than us. City making their comeback. Pool will probably click with Mane back and tend to perform well against the big teams. Spurs with an excellent defence and a good system.

I'd have us as underdogs to get CL. Especially since we completely rely on Sanchez to create and score everything.

In all honestly does it matter if we dont get top4 this year? We arent winning it any time soon. Argument could be made that a year out of it would give the new man time to implement his ways and focus on the league like Conte

wawaman

wawaman wrote: »

In all honestly does it matter if we dont get top4 this year? We arent winning it any time soon. Argument could be made that a year out of it would give the new man time to implement his ways and focus on the league like Conte

Yes, it is a big problem due to the way the club is run. It's a self sustaining model, and sadly removing Champion's League income will have a major effect on the club's finances. They would also need to pay above the odds to attract decent players who would like to be playing European football.

Dropping out of the top 4 would be fine if Kroenke was going to invest.

Basil3

Basil3 wrote: »

Yes, it is a big problem due to the way the club is run. It's a self sustaining model, and sadly removing Champion's League income will have a major effect on the club's finances. They would also need to pay above the odds to attract decent players who would like to be playing European football.

Dropping out of the top 4 would be fine if Kroenke was going to invest.

United are self-sustaining, Chelsea are self-sustaining, Bayern are self-sustaining, what's the difference?

Also the Champions League money means a lot less than it did a few years ago, PL rights swamp the CL money now.