Changes to Kilkenny/Waterford county boundaries

blackcard · 09-02-2017 10:05pm #1

The land and people are in Kilkenny. Waterford can go to hell before they can take over a square inch. Any political party that supports this land grab will sign its own death warrant in Kilkenny. How would Waterford like if their land was taken.

Stheno · 09-02-2017 10:08pm

blackcard wrote: »

The land and people are in Kilkenny. Waterford can go to hell before they can take over a square inch. Any political party that supports this land grab will sign its own death warrant in Kilkenny. How would Waterford like if their land was taken.

Could you expand on your point or provide a link to what you are taking about please?

blackcard · 09-02-2017 10:12pm

Stheno wrote: »

Could you expand on your point or provide a link to what you are taking about please?

This is in relation to over 5000 people now in Kilkenny being told that they will be in Waterford if the report of the Boundary Commission is adopted.A large tract of land is to be transferred.

Stheno · 09-02-2017 10:13pm

blackcard wrote: »

This is in relation to over 5000 people now in Kilkenny being told that they will be in Waterford if the report of the Boundary Commission is adopted.A large tract of land is to be transferred.

Hmm I'm not sure it belongs here, probably better in the Kilkenny forum, so I'm going to move it there.

The J Stands for Jay · 09-02-2017 10:14pm

blackcard wrote: »

This is in relation to over 5000 people now in Kilkenny being told that they will be in Waterford if the report of the Boundary Commission is adopted.A large tract of land is to be transferred.

May I ask why anyone would care?

Technoprisoner · 09-02-2017 10:14pm

Ahh we are going back to the days of plantations .... damn those Brits

blackcard · 09-02-2017 10:22pm

McGaggs wrote: »

May I ask why anyone would care?

Have you ever been at an inter county gaa game. You will see people that care.

road_high · 09-02-2017 10:28pm

blackcard wrote: »

Have you ever been at an inter county gaa game. You will see people that care.

GAA is only a very tiny part of it. For me, county is integral to Irish identity and an attempt to weaken and undermine in this sneaky, petty manner is grossly insulting.
We aren't going to take this lying down.

blackcard · 09-02-2017 10:31pm

McGaggs wrote: »

May I ask why anyone would care?

So you wouldn't care if your neighbour decided he was going to take over some of your property?

BabyWillis · 09-02-2017 10:47pm

But no one is taking your property, your address just changes from kilkenny to waterford.

blackcard · 09-02-2017 11:09pm

BabyWillis wrote: »

But no one is taking your property, your address just changes from kilkenny to waterford.

So you wouldn't mind being English as long as you held onto your property?

BabyWillis · 09-02-2017 11:13pm

I'm part of the Carlow laois review and to be honest it would make sense for graiguecullen to be part of Carlow. No big deal really.

blackcard · 09-02-2017 11:17pm

BabyWillis wrote: »

I'm part of the Carlow laois review and to be honest it would make sense for graiguecullen to be part of Carlow. No big deal really.

It is a big deal. There were over 19000 submissions to the Boundary Commission. Only 29 of these were in favour of moving the boundary. The Commission acknowledged that the vast majority of affected people did not want change and that their county identity was the most important issue. Maybe Carlow and Laois people are different and don't mind what county they belong to

mickmackmcgoo · 09-02-2017 11:38pm

blackcard wrote:

So you wouldn't mind being English as long as you held onto your property?

Are you living in the area that's proposed to be rezoned?

Harry Palmr · 09-02-2017 11:45pm

blackcard wrote: »

It is a big deal. There were over 19000 submissions to the Boundary Commission. Only 29 of these were in favour of moving the boundary. The Commission acknowledged that the vast majority of affected people did not want change and that their county identity was the most important issue. Maybe Carlow and Laois people are different and don't mind what county they belong to

And most of them were if we apply some logic from well up the county and for whom this change (should is happen) would have no practical effect at all.

When you look at the recommendation you'll see that it involves people who are already in Waterford to work, get educated, be entertained, looked after (or of Waterford by birth and who moved across) or do the sick of that 3 KMs between Ferrybank and Slieverue get rushed to Kilkenny General?

blackcard · 09-02-2017 11:54pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

And most of them were if we apply some logic from well up the county and for whom this change (should is happen) would have no practical effect at all.

When you look at the recommendation you'll see that it involves people who are already in Waterford to work, get educated, be entertained, looked after (or of Waterford by birth and who moved across) or do the sick of that 3 KMs between Ferrybank and Slieverue get rushed to Kilkenny General?

The majority of people in the area want it to remain in County Kilkenny. The argument about hospitals is pathetic. Loads of people living near borders go to hospitals in another county. That doesn' t mean that they should transfer to that county.

Pinch Flat · 09-02-2017 11:55pm

I'm sure any people from Kilkenny who are offended enough are going to vote with their feet and relinquish their employment in Waterford.

cbreeze · 10-02-2017 12:06am

I can understand that people on both sides of the border would be annoyed. TDs and Councillors will be getting seriously strong representations from constituents. If you have grown up all your life a Kilkenny person or a person from any other county and one day, you are told you are a person of a different county. Its a whole identity issue, irrespective of GAA and elections.

Keep Kilkenny whole. I support the resistance!

blackcard · 10-02-2017 12:08am

Pinch Flat wrote: »

I'm sure any people from Kilkenny who are offended enough are going to vote with their feet and relinquish their employment in Waterford.

People from the affected areas can buy a house in Waterford if they want to. Because people from Meath and Kildare work in Dublin, can Dublin take over part of these counties?

Mulbert · 10-02-2017 12:30am

Are you saying 19000 different people wrote a submission to the boundary commission about this? I don't think so! That's taking for granted that there are 19000 literate people in County Kilkenny.

Gaspode · 10-02-2017 8:07am

OK lets keep it civil please, less of the generalisations & slurs. Stick to the topic at hand

The J Stands for Jay · 10-02-2017 8:21am

blackcard wrote: »

So you wouldn't care if your neighbour decided he was going to take over some of your property?

Isn't it more a case of your neighbour telling you your house is no longer number 5, it's now number 8?

Squidvicious · 10-02-2017 10:03am

As someone who is from the affected area, I'm worried about this. However, I don't think that this is gong to happen. FF have already said that they'll vote against it in the Dail and it needs a Dail vote to be passed. I just don't see a controversial bill like this even being put before the Dail given the current arithmetic in Leinster House, let alone passing.

That said, we shouldn't ignore the threat. I appreciate that there may be some Kilkenny people who feel, who cares, isn't that whole area more or less Waterford anyway? A big problem for Kilkenny, however, is that if the commission's proposal goes ahead, Kilkenny will lose a large chunk of commercial rates revenue(mainly from the port which is included within the area to be transferred). So that will mean either reduced services for Kilkenny in the future or higher local taxes. The move is nothing more than an attempt by Waterford to take over the cash cow that is Belview port. No Kilkenny person should take this lying down.

We've had one or two people here saying what difference does it make. Where you're from matters to most of us. If you meet a stranger, it's one of the first questions that you're asked - where are you from? For most of us, it's part of our identity and I don't like that being taken away at the stroke of a bureaucrats pen.

Yourself isit · 10-02-2017 10:07am

Squidvicious wrote: »

As someone who is from the affected area, I'm worried about this. However, I don't think that this is gong to happen. FF have already said that they'll vote against it in the Dail and it needs a Dail vote to be passed. I just don't see a controversial bill like this even being put before the Dail given the current arithmetic in Leinster House, let alone passing.

That said, we shouldn't ignore the threat. I appreciate that there may be some Kilkenny people who feel, who cares, isn't that whole area more or less Waterford anyway? A big problem for Kilkenny, however, is that if the commission's proposal goes ahead, Kilkenny will lose a large chunk of commercial rates revenue(mainly from the port which is included within the area to be transferred). So that will mean either reduced services for Kilkenny in the future or higher local taxes. The move is nothing more than an attempt by Waterford to take over the cash cow that is Belview port. No Kilkenny person should take this lying down.

We've had one or two people here saying what difference does it make. Where you're from matters to most of us. If you meet a stranger, it's one of the first questions that you're asked - where are you from? For most of us, it's part of our identity and I don't like that being taken away at the stroke of a bureaucrats pen.

If you are in the affected area why would you care about revenues going to kilkenny since you will be in Waterford?

Squidvicious · 10-02-2017 10:07am

McGaggs wrote: »

Isn't it more a case of your neighbour telling you your house is no longer number 5, it's now number 8?

No it's not, and I assume that you're having a laugh. Or else you really don't understand Ireland very well.

Squidvicious · 10-02-2017 10:08am

Yourself isit wrote: »

If you are in the affected area why would you care about revenues going to kilkenny since you will be in Waterford?

My biggest issue with it is that I don't want my area to be transferred to Waterford. Some in Kilkenny might think that the move doesn't affect them. I'm pointing out that it's an issue which affects all of the county and not just the affected area.

granturismo · 10-02-2017 10:16am

Squidvicious wrote: »

..... The move is nothing more than an attempt by Waterford to take over the cash cow that is Belview port. No Kilkenny person should take this lying down..

Is Belview not to remain in Co Kilkenny under the review? I still dont agree with the proposed boundary change.

road_high · 10-02-2017 10:19am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

And most of them were if we apply some logic from well up the county and for whom this change (should is happen) would have no practical effect at all.

When you look at the recommendation you'll see that it involves people who are already in Waterford to work, get educated, be entertained, looked after (or of Waterford by birth and who moved across) or do the sick of that 3 KMs between Ferrybank and Slieverue get rushed to Kilkenny General?

Isn't this what a "city" is supposed to do?
And these are government services, provided for the whole area not just "Waterford". That's why they are there. This is exactly the parochial and condescending attitude I have seen over and over re this area and Kilkenny in general.
And if it's to have "no practical effect at all." why do it at all? Are you admitting then what it really is, a territory marking exercise.

road_high · 10-02-2017 10:24am

Pinch Flat wrote: »

I'm sure any people from Kilkenny who are offended enough are going to vote with their feet and relinquish their employment in Waterford.

What ridiculous petty sh!te! Any employer worth its salt employs the very best staff they can get- in terms of skills, education and aptitude. Just because so many of them happen to live and come from Kilkenny is an employer doing exactly that, they clearly can't get what they want in the immediate vicinity.

road_high · 10-02-2017 10:26am

granturismo wrote: »

Is Belview not to remain in Co Kilkenny under the review? I still dont agree with the proposed boundary change.

It's all remaining. This ain't happening regardless of how big Coveney's new found horn for Waterford gets.

Yourself isit · 10-02-2017 10:45am

Squidvicious wrote: »

My biggest issue with it is that I don't want my area to be transferred to Waterford. Some in Kilkenny might think that the move doesn't affect them. I'm pointing out that it's an issue which affects all of the county and not just the affected area.

The larger revenue from there is because it's close to Waterford city right?

Changes to Kilkenny/Waterford county boundaries

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