Sinn Fein Tabling a Vote of No Confidence in the gov. whilst FG trail FF by 11 points

Consonata

http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0211/851897-whistleblower-politics-adams/

Sinn Féin has tonight said it will table a motion of no confidence in the Government over its handling of the garda whistleblower controversy.

The Government responded by accusing the party of putting politics before the welfare of citizens.

This latest development comes as the debate continues over what type of inquiry is appropriate into the treatment of Sergeant Maurice McCabe.

Latest Poll: http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0211/851974-fine-gael-polls/

Fianna Fail - 32% (+3)
Fine Gael - 21% (-2)
Sinn Fein - 19% (+2)
Labour - 6% (+2)
Non aligned independents - 8% (-7)

It's starting to look like Fianna Fail might be breaking ranks and supporting this vote of no confidence. With an 11 point gap in a poll with still more to develop in the McCabe controversy, it shall be interesting to see the parties next move. What do you think?

Mr.Micro

Consonata wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0211/851897-whistleblower-politics-adams/



Latest Poll: http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0211/851974-fine-gael-polls/



It's starting to look like Fianna Fail might be breaking ranks and supporting this vote of no confidence. With an 11 point gap in a poll with still more to develop in the McCabe controversy, it shall be interesting to see the parties next move. What do you think?

Just about the right time to let FF loose on the country again, lol. What lows or highs can we expect if the result is a general election. Let's face it, its FF pulling all the strings at the minute without getting any blame.

NIMAN

FF back in power, yip us Irish are that thick after all.

If the government does fold over this it will be a kind of bitter hilarity. Maurice McCabe blew his whistle 11 years ago. 11 months later the sexual assault claim occurred. Who was in power at the start of this fiasco? FF.

If FF support the no confidence vote and the government does fold, who, currently topping the polls, will get the most votes? FF.

Atlantic Dawn

FF/FG, people vote for sheite and get sheite, some things will never change. The country is a basket case, as much as it bloody hates me to say it we would be in a much better position under British rule.

NIMAN

If only Gerry Adams had stepped aside, it might just have been a good time for SF to head into an election under Mary Lou, with both Martin and Gerry gone.

Might have changed peoples perceptions of the party?

Fr Tod Umptious

This is exactly what FF wanted, a quick scandal, them high in the polls, time to pull the plug.

Manach

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The country is a basket case, as much as it bloody hates me to say it we would be in a much better position under British rule.

Given the British state is currently undergoing a Brexit transition, thus that might not prove to be the best reason to a return to home rule.

Berserker

NIMAN wrote: »

Might have changed peoples perceptions of the party?

I don't think so. They'd need to get rid of the likes of Ferris & Co. as well. Risky move trying to force a general election so soon. People were really sick of the electioneering after the last one and the party that forces people to go back to the polls and endure another month of BS from politicians might feel some heat over it.

Inquitus

If FF did bring down the Government it would certainly hit them in the Polls, probably not worth it at this point, bide their time a bit.

Berserker

Inquitus wrote: »

If FF did bring down the Government it would certainly hit them in the Polls, probably not worth it at this point, bide their time a bit.

Yeah, the majority of the public are not going to be happy about it. Gotta love the Irish having FF back as the most popular party.

Inquitus

Berserker wrote: »

Yeah, the majority of the public are not going to be happy about it. Gotta love the Irish having FF back as the most popular party.

One day we will move on from civil war politics and gombeenism, evidentally not any time soon though lol!

Consonata

If there was an election, what do you think would be the likely Dail composition? Would Sinn Fein coalesce with Fianna Fail? Would Labour make some gains off the back off Fine Gaels drops?

Inquitus

Consonata wrote: »

If there was an election, what do you think would be the likely Dail composition? Would Sinn Fein coalesce with Fianna Fail? Would Labour make some gains off the back off Fine Gaels drops?

You'd have to think that FF would take a hit for bringing down the Gov, FG a slight uptick and no real majority Gov possible without SF being included, so maybe Martin as Taoiseach and a minority Gov supported by FG, so a slight change on what we have and an end to Enda.

LordSutch

Consonata wrote: »

Sinn Fein Tabling a Vote of No Confidence in the gov.

And just like 'groundhog day' the Shinners are at it again!

They only recently collapsed the Assembly up North on the asumption that Arlene Foster had been up to no good (unproven), and now they want to collapse the Dail too, before an enquiry!

Those Shinners really are an awful rabble.

Goe help us if they ever get into power down here. No confidence indeed.

Berserker

Consonata wrote: »

If there was an election, what do you think would be the likely Dail composition? Would Sinn Fein coalesce with Fianna Fail? Would Labour make some gains off the back off Fine Gaels drops?

It'd be pretty similar to the one we have with MM in charge with FG backing them.

LordSutch wrote: »

Goe help us if they ever get into power down here. No confidence indeed.

It's pretty clear that they've no interest in taking power. Four years ago, they were ready to go into government with whoever would have them, safe in the knowledge that nobody wanted anything to do with them. Last time round, other parties were interested in talking to them, so they moved the goalposts and stated that they'd only be interested in going in as a majority party. They are the political equivalent of people who make a career out of working the welfare system.

Phoebas

FF are hardly going to pull the plug over the McCabe thing. They don't have a strong alternative position on it so I don't think the electorate will thank them for it. And they know that a fluid situation like this can break in unexpected ways.

They're consistently gaining in the polls, so why not keep that going until a better opportunity presents itself. That can't be far behind.

Consonata

Deedsie wrote: »

Is it not a bit silly of Sinn féin to attempt to bring down the government while they are also contesting an election North of the border?

It has pros and cons.

It does stretch their resources quite a bit to contest 2 elections, but I'd imagine the parties north and south have independent funding methods.

On the plus side for them, they can play the card that they will be the only one to be able to negotiate for the island as a whole when it comes to Brexit, because they can negotiate through the Assembly, and through the Dail.

Consonata

Phoebas wrote: »

They're consistently gaining in the polls, so why not keep that going until a better opportunity presents itself. That can't be far behind.

On the other hand, Sinn Fein tabling the Motion effectively forces their hand to state a position. Them supporting the government/abstaining will look like that they are giving the government a pass on the issue.

It could get very ugly for them if its proven that Enda or Frances knew about the allegations before early January.

Berserker

Deedsie wrote: »

Is it not a bit silly of Sinn féin to attempt to bring down the government while they are also contesting an election North of the border?

Not really a concern for them. SF NI and SF RoI are funded differently among countless other things. They'll still try to play the all-island card but it's nothing more than an act at this stage. SF supporters in the south wouldn't even recognize the new leader of the party in NI.

suicide_circus

Clever move by SF. Force FF's hand to either back FG and lose any moral high ground or pull the plug on the government and put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Consonata

http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0212/852058-kenny-fitzgerald-mccabe/ This doesn't seem like a statement that shows FF abstaining on the VoNC next week....

Speaking this afternoon in Cork, Mr Martin said his party's justice spokesman Jim O’Callaghan had met Ms Fitzgerald on Wednesday evening to broaden the terms of reference of the Charleton Commission of Investigation to include the Tusla file.

However, a spokesperson for the Tánaiste has insisted this evening that the Tusla file was not mentioned at the meeting between Ms Fitzgerald and Mr O'Callaghan on Wednesday evening.

If Martins claim is proven to be true, the government is finished.

Cortina_MK_IV

Berserker wrote: »

Not really a concern for them. SF NI and SF RoI are funded differently among countless other things. They'll still try to play the all-island card but it's nothing more than an act at this stage. SF supporters in the south wouldn't even recognize the new leader of the party in NI.

Do you really believe that? I nearly spluttered my Dutch Gold all over my Celtic shirt when I read that. :eek:

NIMAN

So it looks like FFs veto will hold off a collapse..........for now.

FrancieBrady

Did Fitzgerald throw Zappone under a bus on The Week In Politics last night?
Was only half paying attention to the spinning.