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Donald Trump

Iang87 wrote: »

Donald Trump wrote: »

Oh, so you know them personally?

No I'm basing on whats been written but given how defensive you are of them from the off I would guess you do

No, never heard of them before I saw this thread. I'm not that bothered by their story. It's sad though to see random people online feeling the need to kick them when they are down and going through a bit of bother.
I read the same article as you apparently did and I didn't see it state where they said they had done zero research (The article actually gives the impression that they had done some research which turned out to be flawed).
Neither did I see it state that they assumed that they would be given 150k contacts upon getting off the plane.
In other words, you're making crap up. i.e talking out your hoop

Iang87

Donald Trump wrote: »

No, never heard of them before I saw this thread. I'm not that bothered by their story. It's sad though to see random people online feeling the need to kick them when they are down and going through a bit of bother.
I read the same article as you apparently did and I didn't see it state where they said they had done zero research (The article actually gives the impression that they had done some research which turned out to be flawed).
Neither did I see it state that they assumed that they would be given 150k contacts upon getting off the plane.
In other words, you're making crap up. i.e talking out your hoop

My 150k contract was a joke based on what they were expecting.

"we assumed initially that our added “life experience” – as well as international work experience – would work in our favour"

That is an example of arrogance. Does it make you better that you worked abroad, they felt it would.

"We feel duped because all the government initiatives and marketing campaigns to attract emigrants like us home seem to appeal to the construction or tech sectors only, where there are plenty of jobs for skilled tradespeople"

Do you work in tech or construction sectors???? No. Thats like me seeing an ad for irish doctors in New York and being outraged that I didn't get a job.

While you may feel i'm talking out my hoop and you're entitled to that opinion. I'll respectfully disagree with you.

Based on whats been written in this article. In my view they have come across as arrogant and their expectations were based on hearsay. I'll leave it at that

Jawgap

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

We wanted Max to grow up Irish, to know what “the craic” is first-hand, 


Jesus wept

Have to admit, I moved back because I didn't want the kids growing up with English accents......

......but I did sort the job & house out first!

Donald Trump

Iang87 wrote: »

My 150k contract was a joke based on what they were expecting.

Well you don't know exactly what they were expecting. Could have indeed been a 150k job or it could have been a 30k job. No way of telling from what the article say. The only evidence is that they do mention entry-level jobs and part-time income.

Iang87 wrote: »

"we assumed initially that our added “life experience” – as well as international work experience – would work in our favour"

That is an example of arrogance. Does it make you better that you worked abroad, they felt it would.

That's not an unreasonable assumption. Generally, international experience would look favourable on a CV.

Iang87 wrote: »

"We feel duped because all the government initiatives and marketing campaigns to attract emigrants like us home seem to appeal to the construction or tech sectors only, where there are plenty of jobs for skilled tradespeople"

Do you work in tech or construction sectors???? No. Thats like me seeing an ad for irish doctors in New York and being outraged that I didn't get a job.

#hometowork ?

https://dfa.ie/global-irish/coming-home/

I didn't see the disclaimer about that video only being targeted at doctors or builders.

Iang87 wrote: »

While you may feel i'm talking out my hoop and you're entitled to that opinion. I'll respectfully disagree with you.

That's fine. It's fine to disagree. I did not mean any offence by the remark.

Iang87 wrote: »

Based on whats been written in this article. In my view they have come across as arrogant and their expectations were based on hearsay. I'll leave it at that

I think that with the benefit of hindsight, they would do things differently. That said, it is a valuable article for anyone who is thinking of coming home under similar circumstances. I'm not going to lower myself to call them idiots or anything like that.

Peregrinus

Donald Trump wrote: »

That's not an unreasonable assumption. Generally, international experience would look favourable on a CV.

Depends on the job you're applying for (and on the experience you've had, of course). While there are plenty of positions for which international experience would be a big plus, there are plenty of others for which it would be a big "meh".

But note that the assumption was not just that international work experience would work in their favour but that, in addition, "added life experience" would be give them a further advantage. In other words, beyond whatever professional edge their work in Canada gave them, they'd get further brownie points, so to speak, simply for having moved to Canada, lived there for a while and then moved back again. I genuinely do not see why they would "initially assume" that this would impress or attract employers. If they had gone somewhere exotic or challenging like, I don't know, Ethiopia or Mongolia, that might be of interest. But Vancouver? Pffft!

elefant

Now I'm not sure which is sadder:

- The family moving back so their child can learn the ways of 'the craic', or

- The level of self-loathing in this thread about what 'the craic' actually means, complete with anecdotal evidence of times where people of other nationalities have been well-behaved.

Irish people have a reputation in much of the world of being good-natured and good fun. That doesn't necessarily mean getting poleaxed drunk, and Irish people don't have a monopoly on that either.

Irish Guitarist

Christmas was a nice distraction, reminding us why we came home in the first place. It has been a blessing seeing Max surrounded by his cousins, and his grandparents keep saying they’ve only now realised how much they would have missed in his development as he enters an exciting new phase every week.

Maybe they should make a film about Max's thrilling life.

Jawgap

This bit struck me.....

My husband and I have honours degrees – I also have a masters – and we both have seven years’ experience with the same highly reputable company in Vancouver.

.....only because I think Masters degrees have become the new undergraduate degrees.

Plus my own experience of coming back from abroad was that, generally, you have to be prepared to take a drop down - it's difficult to move back here to a job comparable to what you were doing. Maybe you can organise it from abroad (while still working) but simply upping sticks and expecting to pick up here at the same career/lifestyle level just doesn't happen that often.

Peregrinus

Jawgap wrote: »

Plus my own experience of coming back from abroad was that, generally, you have to be prepared to take a drop down - it's difficult to move back here to a job comparable to what you were doing. Maybe you can organise it from abroad (while still working) but simply upping sticks and expecting to pick up here at the same career/lifestyle level just doesn't happen that often.

This. Moving abroad at the start of your career is a doddle, relatively speaking. You can go to a place where demand for your qualifications is strong, and get an entry-level position at least as good, and probably better, than the ones you might have got in Ireland.

Moving home after a few years is a whole other ball game. Your international experience may be a plus, or it may be a negative, or it may be a bit of both. But you're competing against people with relevant local experience that you haven't got. And you don't have the same networks, local information and background, etc, that the local candidates have. And you haven't chosen Ireland because it's a particularly bright place for your career/qualifications, but for non-career reasons - viz, it's "home". And, if you now have a partner and a dependent child, you're risking more, in financial terms. All in all, a more stressful and more difficult experience.

That's not so say you shouldn't do it. But don't expect it to be like when you moved away.

Jawgap

Peregrinus wrote: »

This. Moving abroad at the start of your career is a doddle, relatively speaking. You can go to a place where demand for your qualifications is strong, and get an entry-level position at least as good, and probably better, than the ones you might have got in Ireland.

Moving home after a few years is a whole other ball game. Your international experience may be a plus, or it may be a negative, or it may be a bit of both. But you're competing against people with relevant local experience that you haven't got. And you don't have the same networks, local information and background, etc, that the local candidates have. And you haven't chosen Ireland because it's a particularly bright place for your career/qualifications, but for non-career reasons - viz, it's "home". And, if you now have a partner and a dependent child, you're risking more, in financial terms. All in all, a more stressful and more difficult experience.

That's not so say you shouldn't do it. But don't expect it to be like when you moved away.

....nor should you expect, immediately, to have the same lifestyle you had in the country your moving from.

I think that can be another issue - and people going on about it can be quite irritating. Yes, we know if you live in Perth or Sydney or San Diego you can surf at the weekend and spend all day outdoors or that Barcelona has this 'great little tapas place' etc etc- but if it's so great stay there or fúck off back there.....

......and I'll admit I was probably guilty of this when I came back:o - but my family quickly knocked it out of me!

ligerdub

J.pilkington wrote: »

Im struggling to believe your "story".
- match was on at 8pm Irish time, therefore final whistle at 11pm Italy time so stating the place was empty at 10pm is a strange claim
- the disbursement of 5to10k people in minutes is physically impossible
- little or no litter from 5to10k people is also unlikely
- no police officers visible at a large crowded outdoor event in Italy where pickpockets is a common problem (a lot more so than Ireland) also highly unbelievable
- a cleanup in Ireland for a public event with 5-10k people would take 5years?

Saying Ireland can't have a gathering of 5-10k people without it turning into a massive drinking festival where everyone brings a bin bag of rubbish with them and are physically not able to leave the streets and "go into a bar or go home" afterwards is just daft. Me thinks you just like a bit of Irish bashing

I was in Berlin for Germany's opening game of Euro 2012. There must have been at least 100,000 people (conservative estimate) watching the match on giant screens. People were searched on the way in (although from memory I think you could buy drink in there), and everyone queued for everything properly and left very little mess behind. There was zero trouble either.

The only criticism is that it seemed rather run of the mill for them, they were excited sure, but it didn't seem like such a big deal for them (in spite of the large crowd).

It did leave me wondering if such a thing were possible in Dublin/Ireland. The only comparison I could think of would be the large crowds watching Munster on large screens when they first won the Heineken cup.

Fred Swanson

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Princess Consuela Bananahammock

NIMAN wrote: »

Is tea that expensive in Canada that its cheaper to buy it in Ireland (where its hardly cheap anyway) and post it to Canada?

I don't believe this......another spoofer.

Not so much the cost, as the availaility. Same problem here in Berlin and, well... have you ever tried German tea...? :mad:

Graces7

Jawgap wrote: »

....nor should you expect, immediately, to have the same lifestyle you had in the country your moving from.

I think that can be another issue - and people going on about it can be quite irritating. Yes, we know if you live in Perth or Sydney or San Diego you can surf at the weekend and spend all day outdoors or that Barcelona has this 'great little tapas place' etc etc- but if it's so great stay there or fúck off back there.....

......and I'll admit I was probably guilty of this when I came back:o - but my family quickly knocked it out of me!

One of the worst things you can do is go back to where you were happy once. Many of us have done it; I certainly have and deeply regretted it.

We see the past through rose-coloured glasses, like all the snowlovers on the weather board who swear it snowed every year when they were young...

Time and absence from daily irritations soften and blur memories. The grass always seems greener..

Assuming they have been home for over 6 months? They will have lost their status in Canada now.

eviltimeban

pauliebdub wrote: »

It's usually outsourced to agencies. I wouldn't think there's many jobs like that in Dublin, London is probably the best place. They seem very naive.

But there's loads of agencies over here that work in that area - Atomic, ICAN, DDFH&B, Ogilvy, Rothco... to name but a few. I wonder how many she applied for.

The trouble with these cool "media" jobs is that so many people want to do them, and are prepared to work for almost nothing so they are in the industry. It's also a young person's game.

Jawgap

Graces7 wrote: »

One of the worst things you can do is go back to where you were happy once. Many of us have done it; I certainly have and deeply regretted it.

We see the past through rose-coloured glasses, like all the snowlovers on the weather board who swear it snowed every year when they were young...

Time and absence from daily irritations soften and blur memories. The grass always seems greener..

Assuming they have been home for over 6 months? They will have lost their status in Canada now.

Yeah, the best advice I got when moving back was "don't chase ghosts" - I think you have to be very rational and clear about why you would move anywhere and look at it in terms of opportunity cost - I took the salary hit so the kids could grow up in their extended family.

....saying that, if you're younger and have less ties/responsibilities moving anywhere for the "craic" isn't the worst idea!! (one of my moves was very much driven by that notion) but it's amazing how your calculus shifts when kids arrive

Graces7

Jawgap wrote: »

Yeah, the best advice I got when moving back was "don't chase ghosts" - I think you have to be very rational and clear about why you would move anywhere and look at it in terms of opportunity cost - I took the salary hit so the kids could grow up in their extended family.

....saying that, if you're younger and have less ties/responsibilities moving anywhere for the "craic" isn't the worst idea!! (one of my moves was very much driven by that notion) but it's amazing how your calculus shifts when kids arrive

OUCH! That is it in a nutshell...

And all the more reason to make sure you are employed and housed if you have children.

Fred Swanson

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Bambi985

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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it's hard though. it's hard to be so far from home after a certain period of time. I can imagine that sense of homesickness trebles once children come along.

i think a lot of our generation who are moving abroad on a 1 year visa or "for the craic" when they're younger are getting stuck there due to lack of opportunity back home.

Yourself isit

Bambi985 wrote: »

it's hard though. it's hard to be so far from home after a certain period of time. I can imagine that sense of homesickness trebles once children come along.

i think a lot of our generation who are moving abroad on a 1 year visa or "for the craic" when they're younger are getting stuck there due to lack of opportunity back home.

Ireland isn't like Canada and the US (or even England). When we have children we use the family networks a lot more. Of course they cant as much given the distances between where you are born and where you work.

hytrogen

Donald Trump wrote:

So you are not an idiot but these people are. And the difference between ye is....???

The institution that is the self glorified establishmentarian media distributor on rags that is the Irish Times perhaps? And that this is AH so plenty of cgas and Lols not taken so seriously..

animaal

I don't know a lot of expats, but the ones I do know fall into three categories;

1. Reluctantly left Ireland, due to no opportunities to further themselves here. Not all have returned. I have lots of sympathy for these people and their families. It's easier than in the days before cheap flights and Skype, but still not a nice situation to be in.

2. Decided to leave this "sh*thole of a country", and made a life for themselves elsewhere. I wouldn't completely agree with their criticism, but it's a fair choice.

3. Decided to leave this "sh*thole of a country", and later came back for opportunities here - but still regale everybody about how awful it is here, much better elsewhere. Somewhat similar is a person I know who has left this "sh*thole of a country" and stayed away, but is putting plans in place for her child to come back here to attend 3rd level, all the time moaning about this country and the people in it. I have no time for these people. Have the courage of your convictions!

I think the couple in the article might be a little from column 1, and a little from column 3.

mighty magpie

There's a 4th category.

Were not forced to leave, decided to leave to experience another country on a working holiday visa if available, either stayed on as they really enjoyed it or came home as their plan was just to experience a year abroad (maybe agreed a career break with employer at home). Look back fondly on their time away but also enjoy being home.

somefeen

There's something uniquely irritating about journalists writing articles about daily life. Especially journalists claiming to be hard done by, but at the same time actually getting their drivel printed in major newspapers for us all to hear how awful they have it. Wonder how much they got paid for this piece of pathetic non-news.
Her article on the trials and tribulations of rearing a child in Ireland is especially stupid. "My god you need his birth cert to get a PPSN number?!? Banana ****ing republic is all it is! Typical Ireland!!"

G'way and write something when you have something to write about.

re_shaft

If you're moving abroad, there should be a process to evaluate whether you owe the Irish State any money for third-level/other education received. This should be waited against the money that the country has put into training you and the need the country has for you.

Let's say a Doctor (2 years experience out of college) is on the lookout to move to Sydney. That's fine but you need to pony up E40k or work 5 more years in the country. If you flee without payment, you'll be arrested and imprisoned upon return. 3 year sentence, no appeals.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

re_shaft wrote: »

If you're moving abroad, there should be a process to evaluate whether you owe the Irish State any money for third-level/other education received. This should be waited against the money that the country has put into training you and the need the country has for you.

Let's say a Doctor (2 years experience out of college) is on the lookout to move to Sydney. That's fine but you need to pony up E40k or work 5 more years in the country. If you flee without payment, you'll be arrested and imprisoned upon return. 3 year sentence, no appeals.

That idea starts off as an infringement of the human right to travel and ends up being blatantly unconstitutional.

What if he doesn't want to be a doctor? Has he already paid for his education? Why should the country's needs come into play? - the guy did all the hard work, not the State.

If we want to make a correlation between education and work, could we then say that, usimg the same logic, if there's no work available in the field, then the State should be required to compensate the individual for needing to leave?

irelandrover

re_shaft wrote: »

If you're moving abroad, there should be a process to evaluate whether you owe the Irish State any money for third-level/other education received. This should be waited against the money that the country has put into training you and the need the country has for you.

Let's say a Doctor (2 years experience out of college) is on the lookout to move to Sydney. That's fine but you need to pony up E40k or work 5 more years in the country. If you flee without payment, you'll be arrested and imprisoned upon return. 3 year sentence, no appeals.

What happens if someone cannot get a job? Do they have to stay in Ireland and claim social welfare or are they then allowed move abroad to get paid work?

re_shaft

- What if he doesn't want to be a doctor?

He doesn't have to be. But he'll owe monies for wasting the time of the State to invest in him if he wants to leave still.

- Has he already paid for his education?

The State paid. We can determine how long to pay it back. Maybe we can take inspiration from the army, I think they require four years service for every year they put you through college as a cadet. We don't need to be as harsh, but a committee shall come up with the real and appropiate figures per course.

- if there's no work available in the field, then the State should be required to compensate the individual for needing to leave?

No. The choice of courses to take, or to go to college at all, is up to each person. The State will back you but we expect something back. Spend 4 years studying French 12th Century dancing? Fine. I want at least 10 years PAYE from whateever employment you manage to get.

re_shaft

- What happens if someone cannot get a job? Do they have to stay in Ireland and claim social welfare or are they then allowed move abroad to get paid work?

we won't be monsters. They can take a Government issued loan (at very low interest rates) upon leaving and pay that back from abroad. As long as the payments are up to date, they can visit whenever. Miss a few or stop paying, well then we'll have the handcuffs waiting for you in Shannon and a nice cosy cell in Mountjoy.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

re_shaft wrote: »

- What if he doesn't want to be a doctor?

He doesn't have to be. But he'll owe monies for wasting the time of the State to invest in him if he wants to leave still.

Show me where there is logic between a person needing to recompense the state in the event of a changeof career path.

The State paid. We can determine how long to pay it back.

How sure are you of this? Some people put themsleves through college. And, as I said, the State is not doing the hard work.

The army scenario is deleted for sheer irrelevancy.

No. The choice of courses to take, or to go to college at all, is up to each person. The State will back you but we expect something back. Spend 4 years studying French 12th Century dancing? Fine. I want at least 10 years PAYE from whateever employment you manage to get.

But you're taking this choice away with your first point: not allowing a career change.

You have also turned this thread upside down here: now it's the State's sense of entitlement that's coming to the fore and not the expat's.

re_shaft

How sure am I? Well everyone in the country is entitled to a free (well tuition fees covered) undergrad etc. Eh, that's the one I'm talking about and I'm 100% sure of it.

The career change will be evaluated. If the fully qualified Doctor, upon graduation wants to become a window cleaner then we'll obviously be looking for a fair chunk of his wages for a long time (let's say 40k for argument). If he instead becomes a head director guy for some biotech company, well then we can talk.

I'm not getting dragged down into specifics anymore. You seem to be happy with the State ploughing money into training all sorts of people, for them to immediately leave the country and benefit another. This is madness. It's only right that the State should seek to get some minimum back from putting so much in.

hollypink

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a crap article in a crap paper designed to do this exact thing to all of ye moaners. And you're all falling for it hook line and sinker.

Before you get unnecessarily riled up, think about why what you're reading was written.

I don't understand why this need to be explained after the last year we've had in the media.. If people don't realise by now that crap like this is written for clicks and shares, and has no basis in reality, society is doomed to hate people for no reason other than media profits.

This post stuck with me as I read through the thread - it's hard to believe anyone would approach a move back to Ireland in the way the article describes. Surely no one with a good life in Canada would move home, especially with a child, without researching things like job opportunities in their field? There is also such a misplaced sense of entitlement in the piece that it stretches credibility.

Incidentally, I understand the motivation to want your children to grow up around their extended family (some of my family made decisions to move closer to home for those reasons) but that's about the only part of the article that rings true for me.

irelandrover

re_shaft wrote: »

- What happens if someone cannot get a job? Do they have to stay in Ireland and claim social welfare or are they then allowed move abroad to get paid work?

we won't be monsters. They can take a Government issued loan (at very low interest rates) upon leaving and pay that back from abroad. As long as the payments are up to date, they can visit whenever. Miss a few or stop paying, well then we'll have the handcuffs waiting for you in Shannon and a nice cosy cell in Mountjoy.

So now the options are, take a loan to be allowed leave the country to get a job, or stay in the country and claim social welfare. I dont think yo've fully thought this through to be honest.

If you come back after a few years abroad to work in Ireland would you then get this money back?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

re_shaft wrote: »

How sure am I? Well everyone in the country is entitled to a free (well tuition fees covered) undergrad etc. Eh, that's the one I'm talking about and I'm 100% sure of it.

The career change will be evaluated. If the fully qualified Doctor, upon graduation wants to become a window cleaner then we'll obviously be looking for a fair chunk of his wages for a long time (let's say 40k for argument). If he instead becomes a head director guy for some biotech company, well then we can talk.

I'm not getting dragged down into specifics anymore. You seem to be happy with the State ploughing money into training all sorts of people, for them to immediately leave the country and benefit another. This is madness. It's only right that the State should seek to get some minimum back from putting so much in.

No, it would be pure entitlement on behalf of the State, trying to get a freebie on the back of someone else's hard work based on an extremely air-headed assumption of patriotism, meanwhile trying to absolve itself of its repsonsibilities to provide oppertunities for work. End of.

I'm leaving this here as, having a read a few of your other posts in other threads, I'm not entirely convinced you're genuine.

Grayson

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

But you're taking this choice away with your first point: not allowing a career change.

You have also turned this thread upside down here: now it's the State's sense of entitlement that's coming to the fore and not the expat's.

What he's essentially talking about is forcing indentured servitude onto anyone who avails of "free" education.

re_shaft

"Indentured servitude" please. You'll be singing "I'm goin' to lay down my heavy load" next... What I'm proposing is a more humane graduate tax, it's like an invisible one unless you're going to leave the country early. Other countries (Australia etc) make grads pay back loans if they skip the country. I'm saying if you've taken a load out of the State (tuition fees etc.), it wants some back if you're out the door. If you're staying then it's all good.

Robineen

elefant wrote: »

- The level of self-loathing in this thread about what 'the craic' actually means, complete with anecdotal evidence of times where people of other nationalities have been well-behaved.

In a thread of over 200 posts, there has probably been > 20 on this subject. I'd like to point out, I mentioned nothing about other nationalities myself. I just literally have no idea what 'craic' actually is. People mention the craic but I can't see what people do on nights out here that is any way out of the ordinary. What is the definition? And apparently no knowing what is meant by the 'craic' signifies self-loathing? Seriously?

Carlos Orange

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

That idea starts off as an infringement of the human right to travel and ends up being blatantly unconstitutional.

I'm interested in knowing why what sounds like effectively a student loan system (with some nutso overboard stuff added in) is unconstitutional but first what are your legal qualifications Princess Consuela Bananahammock? Companies that pay for 3rd level usually seem to require people stay in the job or pay it back.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

psinno wrote: »

I'm interested in knowing why what sounds like effectively a student loan system (with some nutso overboard stuff added in) is unconstitutional but first what are your legal qualifications Princess Consuela Bananahammock?

The unconstitutional bit is where he suggested no appeals.

Robineen

re_shaft wrote: »

Other countries (Australia etc) make grads pay back loans if they skip the country.

Are they threatened with the prospect of the custodial sentence you have posited above?

psinno wrote: »

I'm interested in knowing why what sounds like effectively a student loan system (with some nutso overboard stuff added in) is unconstitutional but first what are your legal qualifications Princess Consuela Bananahammock? Companies that pay for 3rd level usually seem to require people stay in the job or pay it back.

The poster she quoted suggested a custodial sentence for someone who doesn't pay back their loans. Does that happen in countries with a student loan system in place?

The fact that the area they work in, nor the areas they are qualified in wasn't mentioned is to frame the article in a certain way, she knows that if she had mentioned that they work in the 'media' she would loose a fair few reader/sympathy as the huge rate of unemployment in media related careers is well known, however that also makes the whole article verging on the dishonest.

Robineen

Mr.S wrote: »

So pivot.

She did, from what I can see from her LinkedIn page. But the area she pivoted towards seems a bit oversubcribed in Ireland at the moment.

darkpagandeath

Have they setup a fund me page yet...

Pawwed Rig

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Have they setup a fund me page yet...

If it is for flights back to Canada I'll contribute

cerastes

Donald Trump wrote: »

So let me understand this one.

You are not having much luck getting a job commensurate with your self-perceived skill/experience level. It is fine for you to tell us this news publicly. On a public message board.

These people are not not having much luck getting a job commensurate with their self-perceived skill/experience level. They are idiots for telling us this publicly. Through an online blog.

So you are not an idiot but these people are. And the difference between ye is....???

I had stopped reading this thread, mainly as I considered it click bait like and she is probably delighted its getting so much attention and raises her/their profile, because its the kind of nonsense printed in established supposedly good papers. Maybe you are too and there are some odd posts in this thread, so I'm replying and then participating in it no more.
I just had a flick through some of it and saw some mad replies, then I saw your vitriolic post directed at me.
I wasn't highlighting that I wasn't having luck getting a job based on my experience from previous positions Ive held. I was highlighting a number of things. I dont think there as many jobs out there as Ive heard and this opinion has been echoed by others Ive spoken to who say there is plenty advertised but little response. I took what I could get at a lot less pay than I was on before things went belly up.
I think they come across with a sense of entitlement and I dont think they will be realistic and downgrade their expectations.
I think it was foolhardy for them to return based on what they heard on the grapevine. Personally I think they are mad to have returned to Ireland (especially for the craic whatever it is), if I could dispose of certain responsibilities here, Canada and one other country would be on my destination wish list. I realise the grass isn't greener, and there isn't a hope in hell I'd start the ball rolling unless I could be sure there was work/accomodation for me on the other end.

I'm not the only one who seems to have thought this, butI replied early on? you seem to have an interest (although you say you dont), but at least enough to be annoyed about it, because you come across as having a go at me. Your reply of what I said/why I said it, is innacurate and out of context to what I was saying.

NIMAN wrote: »

The difference is we haven't a baldies who cerastes actually is. Don't know if male/female, young or old, what part of the country they are from.
The other 2 are telling everyone everything.

Thank you, and they seem very much to have a poor me attitude as if they were duped into returning, they made this decision themselves.

Iang87 wrote: »

I called them arrogant for just arriving back with zero research and expecting a job because they've a masters

+1

Iang87 wrote: »

My 150k contract was a joke based on what they were expecting.

"we assumed initially that our added “life experience” – as well as international work experience – would work in our favour"

That is an example of arrogance. Does it make you better that you worked abroad, they felt it would.

"We feel duped because all the government initiatives and marketing campaigns to attract emigrants like us home seem to appeal to the construction or tech sectors only, where there are plenty of jobs for skilled tradespeople"

Do you work in tech or construction sectors???? No. Thats like me seeing an ad for irish doctors in New York and being outraged that I didn't get a job.

While you may feel i'm talking out my hoop and you're entitled to that opinion. I'll respectfully disagree with you.

Based on whats been written in this article. In my view they have come across as arrogant and their expectations were based on hearsay. I'll leave it at that

So, Donald, it looked all along that they came across a certain way to most people in the thread.
I just wanted to reply to that, as I was out of this thread, done. Say what you like, I wont be reading it.

Glenster

Donald Trump wrote: »

I find it ironic that some of the people who are calling them arrogant etc. for mentioning their level of education/qualifications are also complaining about, or questioning, the lack of details related to their degree specific subject areas...........

Not arrogant, just dull.

And removed from reality if they think that an employer cares about what they studied in uni now that they're 30.

Glenster

somefeen wrote: »

There's something uniquely irritating about journalists writing articles about daily life. Especially journalists claiming to be hard done by, but at the same time actually getting their drivel printed in major newspapers for us all to hear how awful they have it. Wonder how much they got paid for this piece of pathetic non-news.
Her article on the trials and tribulations of rearing a child in Ireland is especially stupid. "My god you need his birth cert to get a PPSN number?!? Banana ****ing republic is all it is! Typical Ireland!!"

G'way and write something when you have something to write about.

'bout 250 quid?