Escorts?

fontdor

fontdor wrote: »

Yeah I suppose. But I was watching some documentary a while back where cops set up as escorts on websites would lure men in. This was in America by the way.

So I thought what if this site is set up by the cops or something.

ceadaoin.

Deleted User wrote: »

What is disgusting about that? When people offer a product or service - it is entirely common that users of that product or service rate their experience.

You get it on amazon - you get it in magazines that review gigs - albums - or movies. You get it on things like Yelp - where you have customers rating their experience and value for money with restaurants. Or on booking.com for hotels. There are even sites rating the service offered - and the friendliness and other attributes - of GP doctors.

What is it about sex workers - specifically - you feel should make them exempt from a process just about every other product and service provider has to subject themselves to

Products on Amazon, gigs, hotels and restaurants, a woman's body. One of those things is not like the others, can you really not see the difference?

I've seen some of these "reviews" on another site. They are dehumanising and misogynistic to the extreme

Stigura

OP; Let's put this one to rest:

I've hired several escorts and availed myself of the services they offer.

Now, how about you just send me the €300.00 or so. I'll do all the 'risky' stuff. I'll go the whole mile with the girl. I'll even review and rate her.

Of course, if I get busted? That'll be my problem. But, either way, ye'll have an answer based on experience, not guess work

Deal?

givyjoe

Austria! wrote: »

There are male escorts catering exclusively to females in Australia (I know this from an article I read) so I don't see it as impossible. Definitely some lesbians pay for sex with women too.

A considerable number of Male/Female couples too. Many seem to offer this service, if you read their ad's :eek: .

ceadaoin.

Well in the cases of the ones I read, their hatred and disdain towards women was evident in the language and terms they used to describe said women.

ceadaoin.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Products on Amazon, gigs, hotels and restaurants, a woman's body. One of those things is not like the others, can you really not see the difference?

Who said I could not see the difference? There are differences between _all 5_ of the things you list above. It is not "one" of these things is not like the others. They are _all_ not like each other.

The question is can you really not see the similarities? They are all products and services being offered to the public - and the public has the right to review and publish their consumer experience on them all.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I've seen some of these "reviews" on another site. They are dehumanising and misogynistic to the extreme

I have seen reviews like that of other things too. Some hotel and restaurants I have read for example have talked about the staff of such places as if they are not quite human beings - more akin to brain less slaves. Or some on stage artist being treated like they are not a human but merely a tool being paraded around for our pleasure.

I am not sure that the poor quality of the consumers ability to write a review - or their own personal character flaws that come across in those reviews - is in any way relevant to my point?

Though I would presume the word "some" was the most important one in your paragraph.

professore

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Well in the cases of the ones I read, their hatred and disdain towards women was evident in the language and terms they used to describe said women.

I found your comments interesting so I decided to investigate.

I went on there and read several reviews. The vast majority describe the women as lovely, funny, friendly and how they had a great time. Didn't see much evidence of what you are saying tbh - sure there were a few but go to any review site for anything and you will see that.

I mean really, prostitution is the definition of consensual sex. You agree what's going to happen beforehand, unlike a one night stand, where body language cues etc are often used. Women should be in favour of it as it gives men somewhere else to get sex and they can be left in peace when they go out to a pub or nightclub.

If women had to chase sex with men and not the other way round, then there would be no female prostitution, men would be standing in windows flexing their abs, and the mantra would be why are these men not allowed to choose what they do with their own bodies.

It's also the reason that dating sites like elite singles exist - women are willing to pay hundreds of euro to find a good looking man with money willing to date and marry them as these are in short supply, as are young beautiful women willing to have sex for money with average looking men. I often think the men on these dating sites must have a great time - they are selling a fantasy, just as prostitutes are.

I also watched escorts on Netflix ... Watch that and then tell me who is taking advantage of who.

Cameo

professore wrote: »

I also watched escorts on Netflix ... Watch that and then tell me who is taking advantage of who.

If it is a mutually agreed business transaction, entered into by choice on the part of both parties, nobody is taking advantage of anyone.

Fred Swanson

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B.A._Baracus

I'm 50/50 on how to view the prostitution thing. On one hand if some bloke wants to pay a woman for sex then who cares.
But then on the other hand prostitution is a seedy and fu*ked up world. It's like what it seems on paper then what it actually is in reality.

I'm sure if some escort was to come onto this thread she'd make it out as if it was an "experience" - you meet a guy, make him comfortable, offer him a drink or a massage, make him climax etc. Like it was a day out at the spa :pac:
Reality is.... It's come in, shoot your load, get out and next one in. then the drugs, std's, many an escort getting beat up over the years. Really is a seedy and messed up thing.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

I love that you can rate them!
Location
Value for money
As described

Sonics2k

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I love that you can rate them!
Location
Value for money
As described

Well I suppose that's a good thing, you don't want to book a Kardashian and end up with a deVito.

Johnboner

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Well in the cases of the ones I read, their hatred and disdain towards women was evident in the language and terms they used to describe said women.

I really doubt anyone cares about your absolutely uniformed and biased opinion. Facts prove otherwise. Please don't spread fake information.

J Mysterio

Johnboner wrote: »

I really doubt anyone cares about your absolutely uniformed and biased opinion. Facts prove otherwise. Please don't spread fake information.

Fake news?

ceadaoin.

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Johnboner wrote: »

I really doubt anyone cares about your absolutely uniformed and biased opinion. Facts prove otherwise. Please don't spread fake information.

Well that's me told. Yes, clearly any woman who doesn't think that the sex industry is all sunshine and rainbows is a big giant prude who should shut up

Johnboner

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Well that's me told. Yes, clearly any woman who doesn't think that the sex industry is all sunshine and rainbows is a big giant prude who should shut up

Nobody told you to shut up, just stop spreading false information.

somesoldiers

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I love that you can rate them!
Location
Value for money
As described

I used to enjoy reading these, "Not a clock watcher" is a favourite of mine. It's like Trip Advisor for hookers.

I remember years back our local pub got wifi but had a kiddie lock on it. The lads couldn't understand why the were searching for Escorts Ireland and all that was coming up were second hand cars!

professore

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I'm 50/50 on how to view the prostitution thing. On one hand if some bloke wants to pay a woman for sex then who cares.
But then on the other hand prostitution is a seedy and fu*ked up world. It's like what it seems on paper then what it actually is in reality.

I'm sure if some escort was to come onto this thread she'd make it out as if it was an "experience" - you meet a guy, make him comfortable, offer him a drink or a massage, make him climax etc. Like it was a day out at the spa :pac:
Reality is.... It's come in, shoot your load, get out and next one in. then the drugs, std's, many an escort getting beat up over the years. Really is a seedy and messed up thing.

I'm sure It's like everything else - some women ( and gay men) are making a ton of money out of it, some are being exploited, and everything in between. Since the current law treats all prostitutes as victims needing help, and all John's as perverts, and has made their product illegal to buy, they have created an ideal setup for crooked cops to take advantage of them as they can turn off and on their business at will. Also created a blackmailers paradise for the pimps.

Having sex with trafficked women has been illegal since 2003. Keeping a brothel is illegal. The laws were already there. I really can't see how it's better for the prostitutes now than it was before. All that will happen is that less men will go to prostitutes, and the ones that still do will be the violent criminal sort.

I find it ironic that a married man or woman can go out at the weekend and have sex with several people, get an STD, go home, infect their partner, is not a committing a crime, while another single guy pays a prostitute, has safe sex with her she's happy to see him, is respectful and friendly to her, and he's a criminal?

This law is purely a moral law, like the blasphemy law. Nothing to do with helping prostitutes. It's a moral judgement on male sexuality by the radical feminist lobby. The fact it also affects gay men, lesbians and some straight women is collateral damage.

currants

ScumLord wrote: »

I'd be in favour of legalisation because it's way worse when it's illegal. But I think there needs to some caution and support in place for people that go into that line of work. It would be easy for a person to become dependant on this big money coming in to the point that temporary job becomes more and more difficult to leave. It's often a job for the young and beautiful neither of which will last, so people in this line of work could end up either leaving the profession with no alternative skills, or descending into the weirder parts of the industry because they're finding it harder to attract normal clients.

That's it really. What happens if you get out of the game and settle down with somebody and you go out some night and meet one of your former "clients". how do you explain that to your husband? How many men who admit to using prostitutes would admit being married to a prostitute? There is a stigma there forever and anyone who denies that is either very foolish or has an agenda. And that's only for the non-addict girls who manage their work themselves. Anyone working for a pimp or working because they're addicted is being exploited right off the bat. This cosy picture of prostitution as a career choice for strong beautiful women is only applicable in a tiny minority of cases. In any documentaries I've seen the women were all miserable in one way or another. Who could honestly say they'd welcome some social misfit or flash twit that thinks everything can be bought and sold groping them and worse.

Cameo

Johnboner wrote: »

I really doubt anyone cares about your absolutely uniformed and biased opinion. Facts prove otherwise. Please don't spread fake information.

Why do you really doubt anyone cares about their opinion? You've absolutely no cause to have such doubt.

Why such defensiveness from some here over a negative opinion regarding prostitution? Nerve being jarred?

I don't totally agree with ceadaoin (although ratings, ew - that's just an opinion by the way, don't get upset! ) but how they could be likened to e.g. the nuns in Ruhama is beyond me.

There are negatives to the work, as have been highlighted by actual people working in the industry - now they did have a choice, and nobody is saying all the men are abusive (most aren't of course) but that doesn't mean there aren't concerns. Moreso relating to streetwalkers than "high class" escorts to be fair though.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

What if you marry a "slut"? Is that the wife lotto

Johnboner

professore wrote: »

I'm sure It's like everything else - some women ( and gay men) are making a ton of money out of it, some are being exploited, and everything in between. Since the current law treats all prostitutes as victims needing help, and all John's as perverts, and has made their product illegal to buy, they have created an ideal setup for crooked cops to take advantage of them as they can turn off and on their business at will. Also created a blackmailers paradise for the pimps.

Having sex with trafficked women has been illegal since 2003. Keeping a brothel is illegal. The laws were already there. I really can't see how it's better for the prostitutes now than it was before. All that will happen is that less men will go to prostitutes, and the ones that still do will be the violent criminal sort.

I find it ironic that a married man or woman can go out at the weekend and have sex with several people, get an STD, go home, infect their partner, is not a committing a crime, while another single guy pays a prostitute, has safe sex with her she's happy to see him, is respectful and friendly to her, and he's a criminal?

This law is purely a moral law, like the blasphemy law. Nothing to do with helping prostitutes. It's a moral judgement on male sexuality by the radical feminist lobby. The fact it also affects gay men, lesbians and some straight women is collateral damage.

Everyone that goes to prostitutes gets STD 100% of the time. And where did you get that it's illegal to go to prostitutes? It is LEGAL to pay for sex in Ireland so you can freely go to all the escorts you want without breaking the law. Another misinformed person spreading false information.

The_Valeyard

Johnboner wrote: »

Everyone that goes to prostitutes gets STD 100% of the time. And where did you get that it's illegal to go to prostitutes? It is LEGAL to pay for sex in Ireland so you can freely go to all the escorts you want without breaking the law. Another misinformed person spreading false information.

Probably less chance of an STD from an escort than a one night stand from Coppers

Johnboner

Cameo wrote: »

Why do you really doubt anyone cares about their opinion? You've absolutely no cause to have such doubt.

Why such defensiveness from some here over a negative opinion regarding prostitution? Nerve being jarred?

I don't totally agree with ceadaoin (although ratings, ew - that's just an opinion by the way, don't get upset! ) but how they could be likened to e.g. the nuns in Ruhama is beyond me.

There are negatives to the work, as have been highlighted by actual people working in the industry - now they did have a choice, and nobody is saying all the men are abusive (most aren't of course) but that doesn't mean there aren't concerns. Moreso relating to streetwalkers than "high class" escorts to be fair though.

Why be a street walker which is illegal instead of somewhere like escort Ireland which is legal? Driving a car is dangerous too so it should be banned because people are dying!!!

bodice ripper

I get so tired of the "we all pay for it one way or the other" ****e. No we don't. I am sorry you are screwing or attempting to screw jerks. I am sorry you subscribe to an antiquated model of gender roles.

Johnboner

bodice ripper wrote: »

I get so tired of the "we all pay for it one way or the other" ****e. No we don't. I am sorry you are screwing or attempting to screw jerks. I am sorry you subscribe to an antiquated model of gender roles.

Yes we are, tell me how are we not?? That is illogical, where you have a girlfriend you pay for so many things so what are you talking about?

Johnboner

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Probably less chance of an STD from an escort than a one night stand from Coppers

I was being sarcastic because getting STD from a prostitute is as much likely as to get it from anyone else, probably less likely due to protection.

bodice ripper

Johnboner wrote:

Yes we are, tell me how are we not?? That is illogical, where you have a girlfriend you pay for so many things so what are you talking about?

Nope. That's you doing that. No one pays for my dinner etc, I don't pay for theirs.

Cameo

Johnboner wrote: »

Why be a street walker which is illegal instead of somewhere like escort Ireland which is legal? Driving a car is dangerous too so it should be banned because people are dying!!!

Genie mac, talk about the ultimate in misinterpreting a post and just blurting out the first thing that enters your head. Calm down lad and actually read stuff.

No of course driving a car shouldn't be banned because of some dangerous drivers - not that I even implied prostitution should be banned.

Johnboner

bodice ripper wrote: »

Nope. That's you doing that. No one pays for my dinner etc, I don't pay for theirs.

Right if you say so, come back here when you grow up.

bodice ripper

Johnboner wrote:

Right if you say so, come back here when you grow up.

I am 35. I have had girlfriends and boyfriends. I pay my own way.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Johnboner wrote: »

Yes we are, tell me how are we not?? That is illogical, where you have a girlfriend you pay for so many things so what are you talking about?

I think you need better girlfriends mate

Donal55

Five day old thread.
Was the OP banged up or is he locked up?

Johnboner

Cameo wrote: »

Genie mac, talk about the ultimate in misinterpreting a post and just blurting out the first thing that enters your head. Calm down lad and actually read stuff.

No of course driving a car shouldn't be banned because of some dangerous drivers - not that I even implied prostitution should be banned.

''There are negatives to the work, as have been highlighted by actual people working in the industry - now they did have a choice, and nobody is saying all the men are abusive (most aren't of course) but that doesn't mean there aren't concerns. Moreso relating to streetwalkers than "high class" escorts to be fair though.''


You are saying there are concerns. I have said that there are concerns with absolutely everything you do in life such as driving a car, walking down the street at night, or doing anything at all as everything has risks and concerns. In order to minimize the risk everything should be banned and everyone should be wrapped in bubble wrap, otherwise go to prison.

Johnboner

bodice ripper wrote: »

I am 35. I have had girlfriends and boyfriends. I pay my own way.

Are you living together and sharing the expenses? Or are you just paying for everything on your own and your gf/bf the same?

Cameo

Johnboner wrote: »

Right if you say so, come back here when you grow up.

I think you're the one that needs to grow up.

And calm down - sheesh.

If you choose to pay for loads of stuff for a woman you're seeing/if she's a demanding diva who expects this, that is YOUR individual relationship, not "us all".

You have literally no reason to doubt bodice ripper's statement that they don't pay for lots of things for their partner.

Nor do you have reason to doubt that plenty of people don't pay for sex. Your resentful outlook does not speak for everyone.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

bodice ripper wrote: »

Nope. That's you doing that. No one pays for my dinner etc, I don't pay for theirs.

I think that's how it's like in most grown up relationships. I know within my own relationship he'll get dinner tonight and I'll get it the next night. We have date night once a week usually and take it in turns to the the cost. I'd hate to think a man could think he could buy me.

bodice ripper

Johnboner wrote:

Are you living together and sharing the expenses? Or are you just paying for everything on your own and your gf/bf the same?

Sharing living expenses isn't paying for things for someone else. The clue is in the word sharing...

Johnboner

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I think you need better girlfriends mate

So tell me when you invite a girl for a date who pays? Don't tell me what you would do, tell me what's the ''social norm''

Cameo

Johnboner wrote: »

''There are negatives to the work, as have been highlighted by actual people working in the industry - now they did have a choice, and nobody is saying all the men are abusive (most aren't of course) but that doesn't mean there aren't concerns. Moreso relating to streetwalkers than "high class" escorts to be fair though.''


You are saying there are concerns. I have said that there are concerns with absolutely everything you do in life such as driving a car, walking down the street at night, or doing anything at all as everything has risks and concerns. In order to minimize the risk everything should be banned and everyone should be wrapped in bubble wrap, otherwise go to prison.

I don't see your point - expressing concerns about something means saying everyone should be wrapped in bubble wrap? Man, this has struck a nerve for you.

Johnboner wrote: »

Are you living together and sharing the expenses? Or are you just paying for everything on your own and your gf/bf the same?

What has that got to do with paying for sex?

Johnboner

bodice ripper wrote: »

Sharing living expenses isn't paying for things for someone else. The clue is in the word sharing...

So you are paying for her part as well, interpret it however you want, it doesn't change the meaning.

bodice ripper

Johnboner wrote:

So you are paying for her part as well, interpret it however you want, it doesn't change the meaning.

What? No. We split the rent. How is that paying someone else's share? Also, telling that you went with "her" there, since I did say I have had boyfriends as well...

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Johnboner wrote: »

So tell me when you invite a girl for a date who pays? Don't tell me what you would do, tell me what's the ''social norm''

I don't know what others do. When we go to say, the cinema, he'll pay for tickets and I'll buy the sweets and popcorn and drinks. We go on a night out, we are rarely alone (rounds if we are) pay for ourselves if out with others. Dinner, nights away, depends who plans it. He'll pay for it sometimes, I'll pay for it sometimes. I go shopping and see shirts/tops/jeans/ties he would like, I'll buy them. Hecaees me eyeing up something online, he'll surprise me with it.

I can't speak for social norms, just norms for relationships I've been in

Johnboner

Cameo wrote: »

I don't see your point - expressing concerns about something means saying everyone should be wrapped in bubble wrap? Man, this has struck a nerve for you.

What has that got to do with paying for sex?

Yes, it means exactly that. Let people live their own lives, enough of the nanny state policies, we are at the top already. Proven that it doesn't work, that's why people emigrate where they can live their own lives without interferencs from the government in every little thing such as abortion. Yes we are literally the only country in Europe thy bans abortion due to the fact that it's ''immoral'' forget that people's lives are ruined and that the world is already overpopulated and you are forcing people to have children after accidentaly breeding.

Berserker

ScumLord wrote: »

I'd be in favour of legalisation because it's way worse when it's illegal.

I've often wondered what the workers themselves, the people who advertised on this site, for example, would say to that. It may be safer but they are going to be openly known as escorts, which could bring problems in itself and their earnings are going to take a nose-dive, due to tax etc. I have a very dim view of the whole area of prostitution from my time in Amsterdam. Thought it offered nothing positive to what is a beautiful city.

Cameo

Johnboner wrote: »

So tell me when you invite a girl for a date who pays? Don't tell me what you would do, tell me what's the ''social norm''

No, you asked what they would do - you don't get to just change the goalposts within the very same question.

Johnboner wrote: »

So you are paying for her part as well, interpret it however you want, it doesn't change the meaning.

It's only in your mind that sharing a household means paying for sex. What a ****ed up way of thinking.

Johnboner wrote: »

Yes, it means exactly that.

No it doesn't, it means expressing concerns about something - just like you express concerns about things. Not once have I said prostitution should be banned or we should all be wrapped in cotton wool. Cop on and debate properly.

Johnboner

Berserker wrote: »

I've often wondered what the workers themselves, the people who advertised on this site, for example, would say to that. It may be safer but they are going to be openly known as escorts, which could bring problems in itself and their earnings are going to take a nose-dive, due to tax etc. I have a very dim view of the whole area of prostitution from my time in Amsterdam. Thought it offered nothing positive to what is a beautiful city.

But it's not illegal where do people get that it is?

''Prostitution in Ireland is, itself, legal, but most activities associated with it (such as soliciting in a public place, operating brothels, and other forms of pimping) are illegal.''

Peregrine

Cameo

bodice ripper wrote: »

Also, telling that you went with "her" there, since I did say I have had boyfriends as well...

Yup. Tis pretty clear what his agenda is.

Johnboner

Cameo wrote: »

Yup. Tis pretty clear what his agenda is.

What is in your opinion my agenda? I just forgot to put gf/bf. I voted yes for gay marriage as the law before was ridiculous at least we got something right.