Cycling protest Wednesday 22/2/2017

Chuchote

Next Wednesday lunchtime, departing from Department of Transport Leeson Lane at 1pm cyclist protestors seeking allocation of funds for cycling infrastructure will cycle to Leinster House. Come on!

Weepsie

I'm fairly sure there's already a thread about this and some have complained about the timing, but others have said there'll be more later.

Make it a protest about Enda, Fitzgerald, Zappone, O'Sullivan and you might get thousands on board

Chuchote

Damn! If there is a thread, could mods merge? My thread-searching skills have left me this week.

If people don't want to protest to demand decent cycleways a couple of days after a cyclist was killed by a car, if they feel politics is more important, well, that's their business.

Harrybelafonte

Chuchote wrote: »

If people don't want to protest to demand decent cycleways a couple of days after a cyclist was killed by a car, if they feel politics is more important, well, that's their business.

is this your way of encouraging people to go? Passive aggressiveness always wins sympathy.

Chuchote

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

is this your way of encouraging people to go? Passive aggressiveness always wins sympathy.

Your interpretation. My statement is that if people prefer to demonstrate over government andrewmartins, fine; if they care about cycling infrastructure let them get out on the protest, and at a time when someone's been killed, it's particularly off to start dragging in Kenny, Zappone et al.

Weepsie

I'm sorry, but whatever investment gets put in is highly unlikely to prevent tragedies such as Sundays. It was a rural/Regiomal r road, the kind that is not going to come under the attention or auspices of these protests as they are necessarily focused on urban and suburban cvle routes for the moment.

using it for this cause is incredibly callous and out of order if you ask me.

Harrybelafonte

Chuchote wrote: »

Your interpretation. My statement is that if people prefer to demonstrate over government andrewmartins, fine; if they care about cycling infrastructure let them get out on the protest, and at a time when someone's been killed, it's particularly off to start dragging in Kenny, Zappone et al.

Hasn't done anything to change my interpretation. Judgement of others' political priorities won't help encourage support for your own campaign, nor will trying to capitalise on a tragedy that is not necessarily connected to a demand for cycleways

average_runner

Protest needs to happen at a time when people can attend. Might get a few 100 out but could get thousands if done right.


Lose the father Ted approach and think outside the box.

Hint : Thousand of cyclist in all the cities in Ireland going about their business in rush hour morning.

magicbastarder

there may not be a government to protest to by the time this happens. one half of me is hoping there isn't. the other half of me dreads what might replace it.

average_runner

magicbastarder wrote: »

there may not be a government to protest to by the time this happens. one half of me is hoping there isn't. the other half of me dreads what might replace it.

Doesn't matter, the people will vote the same snakes in again.

magicbastarder

no, ireland wants change. we want different snakes this time. though the same old snakes really.

Moflojo

average_runner wrote: »

Protest needs to happen at a time when people can attend. Might get a few 100 out but could get thousands if done right.


Lose the father Ted approach and think outside the box.

Hint : Thousand of cyclist in all the cities in Ireland going about their business in rush hour morning.

Are you suggesting the protest should take place during morning rush hour? Because it's more convenient for attendees than lunchtime? Or to purposely antagonise every other road user?

average_runner

Moflojo wrote: »

Are you suggesting the protest should take place during morning rush hour? Because it's more convenient for attendees than lunchtime? Or to purposely antagonise every other road user?

I am saying to get attention in Ireland you got to make a statement. So far it's not getting attention.

Water rates protests, taxis, bus drivers etc all made a statement

Chuchote

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

is this your way of encouraging people to go? Passive aggressiveness always wins sympathy.

Isn't there supposed to be a rule about not attacking posters? Or thanking people who do?

Harrybelafonte

Chuchote wrote: »

Isn't there supposed to be a rule about not attacking posters? Or thanking people who do?

There's a button there to report me. Feel free to do so. I feel your post was needlessly attacking those who felt they had other priorities. Your defence to that was unconvincing.

But, I think I'm best leaving you be at this point. Mods have enough to do.

All My Stars Aligned

Chuchote wrote: »

Damn! If there is a thread, could mods merge? My thread-searching skills have left me this week.

If people don't want to protest to demand decent cycleways a couple of days after a cyclist was killed by a car, if they feel politics is more important, well, that's their business.

Must agree with others about your use of Sundays terrible tragedy in order to try to muster support for this protest, which is in no way related. Either you are being extremely cynical or haven't thought through your post. Hope its the latter.

Chuchote

Interpretation of my motives is completely wrong.

I've probably been at more demonstrations than you've had hot dinners. Damn a bit of good most of them did; 100,000 people marched in Dublin against the war in Iraq and it didn't save one Iraqi or American life; proportional numbers marched against the war in Vietnam, ditto; there have been many, many political marches against this government and all they do is let out their corsets and chuckle and have some more truffles and champagne.

No, my point was that whataboutery - "why should we be protesting for decent cycling infrastructure while politics are so awful" - is particularly stupid at a time when someone's just been killed cycling, another casualty in a few months when they've been horrific.

I don't think the anti-austerity protests (several of which I've marched on) or similar protests work well, because they are too generalised.

A protest cycle, however, is likely to get a result because it's targeted, and the thing we want is simple, and relatively easily provided, and will be popular - who doesn't want cyclists in their own space?

My intention wasn't to use the death of a cyclist; I was expressing my own shock that people wouldn't bother their barney to go out and protest for separated cycleways and proper infrastructure, even when someone has been killed in the same week.

tomasrojo

Judging her posts, Chuchote is not cynical at all. She's, I think, a very valued contributor here, and very passionate about cycling advocacy.

Dr Turk Turkelton

The government ignores massive protests about far bigger issues than this so my opinion is that it's an absolute waste of time and energy even thinking about having this protest.

Unknown Soldier

Chuchote wrote: »

Interpretation of my motives is completely wrong.

I've probably been at more demonstrations than you've had hot dinners.

I'm thinking not.

Not a great start to a motivational whatever.

#hastagjustsaying

John_Rambo

tomasrojo wrote: »

Judging her posts, Chuchote is not cynical at all. She's, I think, a very valued contributor here, and very passionate about cycling advocacy.

Agreed. Although there's people trying to crow-bar cynicism from her post and get fashionably offended, it's not cynical.

Weepsie

John_Rambo wrote: »

Agreed. Although there's people trying to crow-bar cynicism from her post and get fashionably offended, it's not cynical.

They use of Sundays tragedy for this campaign is a bit cynical if you ask me. They're unrelated.

magicbastarder

tomasrojo wrote: »

Judging her posts, Chuchote is not cynical at all. She's, I think, a very valued contributor here, and very passionate about cycling advocacy.

i would agree wholeheartedly.

Chips Lovell

Thread locked. There's already one open about this topic.

Please don't restart this on the other thread. Bear in mind that plenty of people here were clubmates of the young woman. Bit of sensitivity please.