New Toyota CH-R...?

billy few mates

Any thoughts on these...?
I have a Golf 1.2TSI and I'm thinking of changing it, it's a DSG and I really like it but I was thinking about getting something slightly more fun like a newer GTD, I was thinking of getting a Scirocco but I've been dissuaded from doing that.
I think I could get a new one of these for what I'd have to spend to get a decent '16 VW Golf
It's got to be automatic (life's too short to change gear) so that rules out the 1.2 petrol model so that leaves the 1.8 petrol hybrid automatic.

Also what's the difference between VW's DSG box and Toyota's CVT box?

porsche boy

Those two boxes are totally different
The Direct Shift Gearbox is more like a manual with 2 clutches so your next gear is always ready to go.
The Continuously Variable Transmission is like driving manual car with a worn clutch. You hold it at a certain rev and the speed kinda just climbs up.
In my opinion CVT boxes are less economical and old tech. I'd buy the DSG.

bazz26

They would similar to a Nissan Juke so make sure you are happy with the smaller interior. I heard people complaining of the rear being very claustrophobic too as the rear windows are very small and rear visibility being poor. Maybe try and get an extended test drive of one for a day or weekend first. Hybrid wise they should be fine, tried and tested drivetrain from the Prius. CVT box in those hybrids takes a bit of getting used to compared to a normal auto.

650Ginge

Cvt will be much smoother than a dsg.

But they are very different and they can result in it holding a continous rev under hard acceleration. But the point of this is to keep the car at the maximum torque.

Try one for a really good long test drive.

Neilw

I drive a DSG car and have had several cvt autos as rentals, Nissan and Toyota cvt's.
IMO if you enjoy driving and want something fun stay well away from a cvt, they are horrible. As mentioned then engine just holds a high rpm and the car feels like clutch slip as it accelerates.

650Ginge

Neilw wrote: »

I drive a DSG car and have had several cvt autos as rentals, Nissan and Toyota cvt's.
IMO if you enjoy driving and want something fun stay well away from a cvt, they are horrible. As mentioned then engine just holds a high rpm and the car feels like clutch slip as it accelerates.

They are far from horrible for most drivers.....again we are letting our 'I am race car driver' ego get in the way of real life. But back to the OP's original question they are not fun, I think that had more to do with the rest of the vehicle, a Prius is not a fun car but a CVT is totally seamless, you never feel a shift and no matter how good the DSG is you certainly feel it shift gear.

Yes they are designed to optimise the torque and therefore hold a constant rev under load, but that is a much more efficient way to do and I don't just mean economy.

Real world if you could find an unprejudiced person and asked them to drive both in normal conditions, dropping kids to school, going to tesco, etc then there is a fair chance the completely smooth CVT would be the winner.

I don't currently have a CVT but I did for 4 years, I currently have an 8 speed BMW and it is much smoother than a DSG but not nearly as smooth as the CVT.

Just try one and see if you like it.....I did, but not instantly, it took a while to appreciate just how smooth they are.....

Now, if reliability is a consideration here, the CVT beats the DSG hands down..

billy few mates

Thanks, I have to say I love the DSG box in my VW, I've driven quite a few automatic cards and don't think any of them were as seamless and efficient as the DSG.
Having said that I don't recall ever driving a CVT so I'll give it a go and see how it feels.
Can anyone link to any sites or videos that compare CVT and DSG boxes? I'd just like to see how they work and how they compare to one another...