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El Tarangu

AlanG wrote: »

Those SIPTU workers went to Baggot street to show support following a protest at the nearby department of public expenditure calling for new entrants to the public sector to be paid on a par with their longer term colleagues (scale wise).

- I wonder who it was that agreed for new entrants to the PS to be paid less than their older colleagues in the first place...

Butters1979

Gebgbegb wrote: »

So you'd support the current ASTI action now ?

The new teachers are on lower wages because ASTI agreed to screw them in favor of looking after their own pocket. So no I don't agree with their actions, if they want to bring newer teachers up in pay it should be taken from the overpaid older teachers. Not an additional increase.

blanch152

amtc wrote: »

Tesco Roselawn has the entrances picketed. I parked there to get my hair done and was leafleted. Plus my dad was stopped going into the pub. I didn't go into Tesco but that's at least 15 small shops affected...all still paying full rent.

The pub by the way is owned by o'reilly whose son damian is covering talk show on rte this week and was interviewing Tesco rep.

I had to pass a picket once. And it was horrible. Not least because my mother was striking!

I saw that, don't understand it myself. Surely the strikers only have right to picket Tesco entrance, other businesses could injunct Mandate and sue for loss of earnings if picket is costing them business.

As I don't pass pickets, I won't be going there, will only cause a problem for my monthly medication if the picket continues for two more weeks.

knipex

end of the road wrote: »

contracts have to be honoured or they must not be signed.

Is that also true of employees who sign contracts or is that particular onus only on the employer ?

end of the road wrote: »

it's not fair others are on lesser terms but it is not the job of those on the better terms to give them up.

I don't remember the pre 96ers striking in solidarity with their colleagues when they were "forced" to sign "inferior" contracts..

I don't think solidarity even came into it.. More "I'm all right"

nhunter100

knipex wrote:

I don't remember the pre 96ers striking in solidarity with their colleagues when they were "forced" to sign "inferior" contracts..

Can you explain how anyone was forced to sign a contract? What coercion was used. AFAIK It's illegal to force anyone into a contract against their will.

Maguined

nhunter100 wrote: »

Can you explain how anyone was forced to sign a contract? What coercion was used. AFAIK It's illegal to force anyone into a contract against their will.

That might be why they used the word in quotation marks.

TallGlass

the14thwarrior wrote: »

i can't believe her co workers are really supportive of someone who is earning three times what they are for doing the same job, on the same day.
just saying......

Don't be so 'I can't believe it', when I signed up for the job with Tesco I knew exactly what I was getting into, I knew the worker next to me is on 2/3 times what I am on. Did it stop me doing the job or giving them support when they needed it (on the job that is), no I got on with it. If you don't like it don't take the job or get a new one.

If I was still working there, I would be supporting the pre 96'ers for the simple reason that it's not ok for Tesco to segregate and basically bully a group of workers who are basically an minority in the company.

I'll be up front here, you have to have worked in a store with pre 96'ers and normal mixed staff, don't forget you've 96ers, 99ers, 06ers and I think 11ers, there are all different contracts. If you think the workers out there with the 96ers are doing it for the good of solidarity, they are not, they know if the 96ers contracts are broken down (this is going on years), they the other contracts are next to be broken.

My guess is Tesco's end game here is to bring in one super contract, that covers everyone and will put an end to all the old contracts, more than likely with awful terms and conditions. I would not like to work there if such a contract came in.

knipex

nhunter100 wrote: »

Can you explain how anyone was forced to sign a contract? What coercion was used. AFAIK It's illegal to force anyone into a contract against their will.

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note the ""

Naos

blanch152 wrote: »

I saw that, don't understand it myself. Surely the strikers only have right to picket Tesco entrance, other businesses could injunct Mandate and sue for loss of earnings if picket is costing them business.

As I don't pass pickets, I won't be going there, will only cause a problem for my monthly medication if the picket continues for two more weeks.

Passing a picket would mean going into tesco. Why would you not go to the other shops there?

delricyo

I probably wouldn't pass the picket if I had a choice of another choice. But people should be free to go inside without feeling bad.
At Tesco in Phibsboro this evening, the strikers were getting right up in the customers faces and saying a loud "thank you" as they left

Calhoun

delricyo wrote: »

I probably wouldn't pass the picket if I had a choice of another choice. But people should be free to go inside without feeling bad.
At Tesco in Phibsboro this evening, the strikers were getting right up in the customers faces and saying a loud "thank you" as they left

Not liking the story going around about them asking where people are going in regards to Greystones.

Richard Hillman

Again I was at my Newsagents today and the strikers are making convenient road crosses whenever a car drives out of the car park and ogling the driver. There was a car making a left turn as he/she was leaving the car park but the tesco employee stood just on the road, off the path to make the car drive around them.

If they think they are going to win a PR battle against one of the biggest companies in the world, they have another thing coming. My local Tesco workers have a march tomorrow involving People Before Profit. If you want to get normal people onside, you dont want to be getting polarising groups with 3% of the national vote to lead the way.

My tesco car park was a lot busier today. I am going to cross he picket if this isn't sorted by the next week. They've lost if it's not sorted quick.

Richard Hillman

Strike suspended

https://tescoworkers.com/2017/02/24/mandate-to-suspend-tesco-strike/

nhunter100

Richard Hillman wrote:

Strike suspended

Tesco asked to refrain from imposing changes to the pre 96 contracts. Alot of trouble to just go after 250 workers tbh.

Delacent

So Mandate is going back to the Labour court even though they stuck two fingers at it?

garbeth

nhunter100 wrote: »

Tesco asked to refrain from imposing changes to the pre 96 contracts. Alot of trouble to just go after 250 workers tbh.

Its not just 250 workers. It's all of them. If they can get away with changing a contract because it's 25 years old what's to stop them changing contracts that are 5 years old 10 years old.

Why bother signing a contract if they can just change when it doesn't suit them.

Even senior management should be worried about that.

garbeth

Delacent wrote: »

So Mandate is going back to the Labour court even though they stuck two fingers at it?

Yes and they have said they would go back to it from the start of the strike.

Also it wasn't Mandate that rejected the deal. It was the workers as is their right.

Going back is a good idea and should be applauded on both sides.

Just hope it's sorted. Strikes arent good for anyone. Hopefulky the deal will be acceptable to all.

TallGlass

Calhoun wrote: »

Not liking the story going around about them asking where people are going in regards to Greystones.

In all fairness, and I say this as someone supporting the strikers (or previous strikers).

There is absolutely no reason for that type of behavior what so ever, your perfectly within your right to go into the store to shop and I would have a word with a manager. If it's needed Tesco can send a manager out to have a word with them or stay there so that type of crap doesn't happen, there still employed by Tesco at the end of the day and representing the company. I'd be very careful if I was out the picket line and behave if I was in the store, you could easily find yourself dragged into an office and given a warning, picket line or not.

Or any strikers reading on here, just remember at the end of the day when this is all settled, the guys crossing the picket are still going to be customers of Tesco, have a bit of respect for them, as I said, just act as if you where in store.

amtc

I got two texts today from hair dressers and beauty salon in Tesco Roselawn to ask for support. Parked in there today to post a letter on Roselawn Road and got hassled, not badly but still. Drove home the long way and picket now on Delwood which is where deliveries go in.

rachb

Delacent wrote: »

So Mandate is going back to the Labour court even though they stuck two fingers at it?

Mandate seen they were loosing support this week with the increased amount of shoppers going into Tesco, so they went back to the Labour Court.

Calhoun

TallGlass wrote: »

In all fairness, and I say this as someone supporting the strikers (or previous strikers).

There is absolutely no reason for that type of behavior what so ever, your perfectly within your right to go into the store to shop and I would have a word with a manager. If it's needed Tesco can send a manager out to have a word with them or stay there so that type of crap doesn't happen, there still employed by Tesco at the end of the day and representing the company. I'd be very careful if I was out the picket line and behave if I was in the store, you could easily find yourself dragged into an office and given a warning, picket line or not.

Or any strikers reading on here, just remember at the end of the day when this is all settled, the guys crossing the picket are still going to be customers of Tesco, have a bit of respect for them, as I said, just act as if you where in store.

Yah i was actually all for the strikers until i heard this as intimidation of customers is not on. It actually goes to show you what they really think of the customers of tesco who they are supposed to be working for. Tesco would be well within their rights to sack the lot of them if they went to far with this as they forget their reason for being employed.

Alienating the clientel damages you long term.

mojesius

Their fruit and veg is rank.

BalcombeSt4

We in the Republican Socialist movement will always stand by the working class for whatever improvements can be made big or small.

end of the road

rachb wrote: »

Mandate seen they were loosing support this week with the increased amount of shoppers going into Tesco, so they went back to the Labour Court.

whatever the reason, it won't be to do with losing support.

Arcade_Tryer

Calhoun wrote: »

Yah i was actually all for the strikers until i heard this as intimidation of customers is not on. It actually goes to show you what they really think of the customers of tesco who they are supposed to be working for. Tesco would be well within their rights to sack the lot of them if they went to far with this as they forget their reason for being employed.

Alienating the clientel damages you long term.

Employees work for an employer. They don't work for the customers.

And if employees didn't feel they were being paid fairly when they were treating customers nicely, why on earth would they care about treating them nicely now? It's not as if customers will suddenly stop visiting the store. In fact the opposite is true!

Calhoun

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Employees work for an employer. They don't work for the customers.

And if employees didn't feel they were being paid fairly when they were treating customers nicely, why on earth would they care about treating them nicely now? It's not as if customers will suddenly stop visiting the store. In fact the opposite is true!

Employees still need the customer otherwise there is no business. If you start treating your customer base like crap you can gaurentee you will see your numbers drop.

Arcade_Tryer

Calhoun wrote: »

Employees still need the customer otherwise there is no business. If you start treating your customer base like crap you can gaurentee you will see your numbers drop.

Given the context, I think that's a case of massively overestimating the estimated effects of an action.

Calhoun

When it makes the national news its never a good thing. Yes this probably wont make a difference but you would be stupid to believe that you can get away with treating customers like that.

If you dont like that or understand it you should probably quit your job as your not fit for a job that is customer facing.

Arcade_Tryer

Calhoun wrote: »

When it makes the national news its never a good thing. Yes this probably wont make a difference but you would be stupid to believe that you can get away with treating customers like that.

Again, in this context, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. Of course the customers are important in the long run for the workers jobs. But in the short run, more attention to the strike may benefit the workers by encouraging the employer to settle.

If you dont like that or understand it you should probably quit your job as your not fit for a job that is customer facing.

Well, that escalated quickly...

Calhoun

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Again, in this context, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. Of course the customers are important in the long run for the workers jobs. But in the short run, more attention to the strike may benefit the workers by encouraging the employer to settle.

Well, that escalated quickly...

It might and it might not, if public opinion turns on the workers you end up with a situation where the company will keep going down their current path. For the employees to win they need the morale argument here.

pilly

Arcade_Tryer wrote:

Employees work for an employer. They don't work for the customers.

Completely agree. Having worked in retail in the past it gets my goat how people think they're paying your wages like your some charity they're donating to.

The opposite is true judging by the amount of people willing to pass a picket. People shop in a store for the prices mainly and the convenience after that.

If people were so concerned about the workers they wouldn't be passing any picket.

Delacent

end of the road wrote: »

whatever the reason, it won't be to do with losing support.

So the fact that almost all stores that voted on strike proposals last week rejected Mandate's strike proposal made no difference.

La la land.

Mandate once again realised they were on a loser and before staff in a further 24 stores stuck their fingers up at the stupidity of this action, they caved in and agreed to go back to labour court.

ThisRegard

An attempt at recovering from a bit of a PR disaster for Mandate. Mandate will come out of the LC with little extra offered by Tesco, or rejecting what is offered, and they'll then try spin it as it's not us, it's them.

Calhoun

pilly wrote: »

Completely agree. Having worked in retail in the past it gets my goat how people think they're paying your wages like your some charity they're donating to.

The opposite is true judging by the amount of people willing to pass a picket. People shop in a store for the prices mainly and the convenience after that.

If people were so concerned about the workers they wouldn't be passing any picket.

However that was not what i was saying as i later clarified, for the union to really win in this scenario they need the public on their side.

They may not pay your wage but be damned sure if tesco thinks that the public really dont give a crap they will double down on this initiative.

The news stories of staff playing intimidation tactics with customers does not help them in anyway.

Neamhshuntasach

Calhoun wrote: »

The news stories of staff playing intimidation tactics with customers does not help them in anyway.

Not at all. On my route home i take a short cut through a car park that has a number of other stores in it. I've had people see my driving by and turn their backs and act like they're not blocking me. Number of people shouting that i'm passing a picket and asking where i'm going. They'd also move out in front shouting whatever with their signs in the window. Couldn't hear as i'd have music on. I answered the first 2 times and said i was just taking a short cut. But their actions totally put me off them. I still didn't pass the picket in terms of going into Tesco. But from talking to people who would take the same route or use the other stores. Both driving and on foot. They burned a fair bit of good will.

end of the road

Delacent wrote: »

So the fact that almost all stores that voted on strike proposals last week rejected Mandate's strike proposal made no difference.

La la land.

Mandate once again realised they were on a loser and before staff in a further 24 stores stuck their fingers up at the stupidity of this action, they caved in and agreed to go back to labour court.

nope. wishful thinking on your part. mandate would have gone back to the labour court at some stage regardless of whether all or nobody voted for strike action. that is how this works.

Slydice

Just so ya don't make the same mistake I did.

It feels like the strike is still going on.

I checked all the websites and news articles I knew of and all said the strike is suspended.
so
I went down to tesco.

There's no strikers outside but there's very few workers inside. There's very few staff about. The stock (especially fresh stuff like fruit/veg) is in bits and it sounded like the staff who were there reckon the strike will be back on. I'm guessing the talks have gone bad.

Felt bad going down if it's still on. Be nice if the workers or their union could put up some advice on any of their websites/facebooks/twitters etc.

VinLieger

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

We in the Republican Socialist movement will always stand by the working class for whatever improvements can be made big or small.

Thats fantastic, does "we" have a real name or want to say exactly who "we" are representing with that statement or are "we" happy that "we" have now achieved something without having to leave your couch?

mariaalice

I would not dream of passing a picked. While the majority of the staff in my local Tesco do a great job there are one or two who should not be working in retail or maybe anywhere they look at you blankly when you ask them something or surge their shoulder when its pointed out there is lots of out of date bread on the shelf. Tesco use to always have a manger in each shop who walked around and a photo of who the manager is they doesn't seem to do that any more. Ultimately the customers pay the staff's wages.

I was in a Dunens recently and saw the a manager doing a brilliant job chatting to staff and customers, tiding up putting baskets away, polite and helpful to someone who gave him a cv you could see he was popular with everyone and guess what the shop was immaculate.

Pinch Flat

Whereas I've no issue with Tesco workers striking, I do have issue with them preventing access to the other stores in the shopping centers in which a Tesco store is located.

This was the case in Roselawn, Dublin 15 last week where the picket prevented access to the other stores within the shopping center - what gripe do Tesco workers have with independent shops - a newsagent, butchers, clothes shop, takeaway - that all had their business severely impacted? One woman was prevented accessing the Boots to collect her prescription - got very distressed, it was obviously important. It's issues like this that will turn the public against them and I'd have no issue passing a picket to access another store.