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Poll: Should drivers be fined for driving too close to cyclists?

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    #32
    [Deleted User]
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    onmebike wrote: »
    I haven't read The Journal in a very long time because of the comments section. Some percentage are professional trolls, but the comments generally left me feeling sad for society.

    I just voted on this anyway and the results are, so far:


    So, according to this, the indication is that 58% of respondents think that it's OK or acceptable to drive too close to a cyclist.

    Time to leave The Journal again.

    The comments section seems to be stacked with George Hook clones.


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    #33
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,515 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    I'm 100 percent infavor of this if it works both ways.
    Has a cyclist got to give me the same room as I have to give them. I hope so.


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    #34
    fliball123
    Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    I wouldn't know how to respond to this.
    It doesn't take long for these threads to become us against them.


    The opening post set the terms for this..cyclists in this country have no repercussions no matter how good, bad or ugly they are. They have no training they have to fulfil in order to use the road and they have no one to track them if they are guilty of being at fault and can flaunt the law due to no accountability.

    In my experience they are the worst users of the road. I have had one incident with a cyclist who was all set to sue me due to me simply stopping at a light on a cross road. Now I did stop quickly due to the light going from orange to red and knowing I would of been blocking the cars crossing..this cylcist hit into a van that was parallel to me and then smacked into my mirror nearly taking it completely off..He tumbled and limped to the side of the road..I pulled in above asked if he was ok..He got annoyed said I should not of stopped.. I pointed out that the rules of the road are at red lights you should stop and you should give the vehicle in front of you enough space to allow you to stop..This gob****e tried to go through the red light by overtaking me but hit the van and was trying to say it was my fault. This is where the problem is even if the cyclist is at fault he can still sue. I simply pointed up to the traffic cam and said..bring it on pal as the cam will show all i did was stop and it was his fault..That was 2 years ago and funnily enough I never got a call from a solicitor, yet my broken mirror I had to pay the damage..How the hell is that far. I am all for making sure cyclists are safe but they must pay their own way to use the roads and they should have some kind of training (for their own safety), insurance (for incidents where they are at fault) and tax (as they use the road so they should pay for it as well)


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    #35
    timmy_mallet
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    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    I'm 100 percent infavor  of this if it works both ways.
    Has a cyclist got to give me the same room as I have to give them. I hope so.
    Why 'hope'?
    How much space would you give another car when overtaking?


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    #36
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,848 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    fliball123 wrote: »
    tax (as they use the road so they should pay for it as well)

    Nice story dude, but you lost the debate right there! ^^^


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    #37
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,848 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    Has a cyclist got to give me the same room as I have to give them. I hope so.

    Doesn't make sense? :confused:


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    #38
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    fliball123 wrote: »
    tax (as they use the road so they should pay for it as well)

    Nice story dude, but you lost the debate right there! ^^^
    I always wonder about that argument... What if you don't own a car, do proponents of this believe that all non-car-owning car passengers should pay 'road tax' too? Or does the car owner/driver's road tax cover it? What happens if you regularly don't carry anyone else in your car? Surely you're paying more tax than someone who ferries around 2/3 people... And what about children, are they exempt?


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    #39
    fliball123
    Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Nice story dude, but you lost the debate right there! ^^^

    How so?


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    #40
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    fliball123 wrote: »
    The opening post set the terms for this..cyclists in this country have no repercussions no matter how good, bad or ugly they are. They have no training they have to fulfil in order to use the road and they have no one to track them if they are guilty of being at fault and can flaunt the law due to no accountability.

    In my experience they are the worst users of the road. I have had one incident with a cyclist who was all set to sue me due to me simply stopping at a light on a cross road. Now I did stop quickly due to the light going from orange to red and knowing I would of been blocking the cars crossing..this cylcist hit into a van that was parallel to me and then smacked into my mirror nearly taking it completely off..He tumbled and limped to the side of the road..I pulled in above asked if he was ok..He got annoyed said I should not of stopped.. I pointed out that the rules of the road are at red lights you should stop and you should give the vehicle in front of you enough space to allow you to stop..This gob****e tried to go through the red light by overtaking me but hit the van and was trying to say it was my fault. This is where the problem is even if the cyclist is at fault he can still sue. I simply pointed up to the traffic cam and said..bring it on pal as the cam will show all i did was stop and it was his fault..That was 2 years ago and funnily enough I never got a call from a solicitor, yet my broken mirror I had to pay the damage..How the hell is that far. I am all for making sure cyclists are safe but they must pay their own way to use the roads and they should have some kind of training (for their own safety), insurance (for incidents where they are at fault) and tax (as they use the road so they should pay for it as well)

    Anyone can threaten to sue, it doesn't mean they will be successful. If you were so concerned about your mirror at the time why didn't you report it? Just because he is riding a bike doesn't mean he isn't liable for any damage he causes due to negligence.


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    #41
    Alek
    Registered Users Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭Alek


    they are the worst users of the road. I have had one incident

    Generalize much?


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    #42
    ThisRegard
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    fliball123 wrote: »
    How so?

    Road tax for using the road?


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    #43
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,515 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Doesn't make sense? :confused:

    What doesn't make sense
    If I overtake a cyclist or car etc I will give plenty of room.
    When a cyclist overtake s me do they have to give me the same room.


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    #44
    ThisRegard
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    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    When a cyclist overtake s me do they have to give me the same room.

    You're lacking in any sort of logic.


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    #45
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    No...there should not be a poll to determine if Drivers should be fined for driving too close to cyclists.


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    #46
    fliball123
    Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭fliball123


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    No...there should not be a poll to determine if Drivers should be fined for driving too close to cyclists.


    Hows about a fine for cyclist who drive to close to cars and breaking red lights?


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    #47
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,515 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    You're lacking in any sort of logic.

    How so


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    #48
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    fliball123 wrote: »
    How so?

    Here: http://ipayroadtax.com/no-such-thing-as-road-tax/bring-back-the-road-fund/


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    #49
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Doesn't make sense? :confused:

    What doesn't make sense
    If I overtake a cyclist or  car etc I will give plenty of room.
    When a cyclist overtake s me do they have to give me the same room.

    No, they don't.


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    #50
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    fliball123 wrote: »
    Hows about a fine for cyclist who drive to close to cars and breaking red lights?


    No...shouldn't be a Poll on that either!


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    #51
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    fliball123 wrote: »
    07Lapierre wrote: »
    No...there should not be a poll to determine if Drivers should be fined for driving too close to cyclists.


    Hows about a fine for cyclist who drive to close to cars and breaking red lights?
    Fine for breaking lights already exists, cycling to close to a car isn't a offence, and shouldn't be one either.


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    #52
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,515 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    Here: http://ipayroadtax.com/no-such-thing-as-road-tax/bring-back-the-road-fund/

    What's your point. I'm not talking about road tax or anything similar.

    Sorry thought you quoted me


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    #53
    magicbastarder
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    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    What doesn't make sense
    If I overtake a cyclist or car etc I will give plenty of room.
    When a cyclist overtake s me do they have to give me the same room.
    let's phrase it this way, it might help you visualise the difference; is a train driving past you equivalent to you walking past a train?


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    #54
    MrJones1973
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    Should cyclists be finned for riding three a breast across a major rode and then not moving in?


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    #55
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    What's your point. I'm not talking about road tax or anything similar.

    Whats yours? i was replying to @filiball123 ???


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    #56
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Mrwhite1970 wrote: »
    Should cyclists be finned for riding three a breast across a major rode and then not moving in?
    No.


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    #57
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,515 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    Whats yours? i was replying to @filiball123 ???

    My opoligies. I wrote the same as you quoted. I thought it was me you were quoting


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    #58
    07Lapierre
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    Mrwhite1970 wrote: »
    Should cyclists be finned for riding three a breast across a major rode and then not moving in?

    Finned? No definitely not :D


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    #59
    robyntmorton
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    07Lapierre wrote: »
    Finned? No definitely not :D

    Think of the aero advantage ;)


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    #60
    ThisRegard
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    As night follows day, it seems Hook opened his show on another rant about cyclists.


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    #61
    the_pen_turner
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    let's phrase it this way, it might help you visualise the difference; is a train driving past you equivalent to you walking past a train?

    Bad analogy the train can't move sideways and is very predictable


    If I'm driving at 20 mph and overtake a cyclist doing 15 mph there is a certain danger the the cyclist.
    If I'm doing 15 mph and the cyclist is overtaking at 20 mph there is the same danger if not more to the cyclist.
    Why should I have to reduce their danger when I'm overtaking but they don't have reduce their own when they are


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