What can be done to make roads safer for motorcyclists?

Thats a breed of road user that really needs to take lessons.
I see plenty round limerick that use the road when the lights are with them and up onto the foot path to cycle across pedestrian crossing when lights are against them

Off topic i know , sorry

Del2005

two wheels good wrote: »

If the rider is crossing a solid white line, into the oncoming lane, to filter that's illegal.

That's not filtering;)

the_pen_turner wrote: »

You wouldn't think it.
If never seen it policed

Nothing on our roads is policed. The amount of illegal manoeuvres that all road users make is insane but the thing is that bikers doing stupid illegal moves will mainly end up with them in tears, a person in a car makes a stupid illegal move then others end in tears.

the_pen_turner wrote: »

I agree it subjective.
Passing only inches away
Passing at a speed that they couldn't stop if someone opened a door or moved the vehicle slightly on a vehicle a few Cars ahead

Different perspectives will have different opinions on what's save or not. A car driver low down and beside other vehicles will not be able to see the gaps that a motorcyclist higher up can. But there are some crazy bikers who filter wayy to fast and close to other vehicles, but I've seen car drivers doing equally dangerous moves and they can do a lot more harm.

stewygriffin

Educate numpty taxi and car drivers that doing u-turn accross constant white line outside the luas stop at connelly station is highly illegal and hitting my bike means they are responsible for the damage and my injuries.

And stop with these bullcrap excuses of "you were riding too fast".

Im not the one who did the illegal u-turn you complete fecking turd of a numpty.:eek::mad:

COH

stewygriffin wrote: »

Educate numpty taxi and car drivers that doing u-turn accross constant white line outside the luas stop at connelly station is highly illegal and hitting my bike means they are responsible for the damage and my injuries.

And stop with these bullcrap excuses of "you were riding too fast".

Im not the one who did the illegal u-turn you complete fecking turd of a numpty.:eek::mad:

THIS!

GBX

stewygriffin wrote: »

Educate numpty taxi and car drivers that doing u-turn accross constant white line outside the luas stop at connelly station is highly illegal and hitting my bike means they are responsible for the damage and my injuries.

And stop with these bullcrap excuses of "you were riding too fast".

Im not the one who did the illegal u-turn you complete fecking turd of a numpty.:eek::mad:

Was delighted the traffic corp stopped one last week - I was riding behind it and taxi man started his turn only to meet the Garda car. They stopped him and read him the riot act. I was smiling away to myself as I left them behind

Cienciano

In all my years of commuting across the city (about 10) the two closest near misses were cyclists going through a red light at cross roads.

stewygriffin

Cienciano wrote: »

In all my years of commuting across the city (about 10) the two closest near misses were cyclists going through a red light at cross roads.

Popcorn at the ready for this.:pac::D


You remember that thread I started about cyclists constantly breaking red lights.;)


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=101399683

Max Headroom

Cienciano wrote: »

In all my years of commuting across the city (about 10) the two closest near misses were cyclists going through a red light at cross roads.

Just be careful before you go kicking them off their bikes, YOU only have the right of way if the way ahead is clear...;);)

antiskeptic

Commotion Ocean wrote: »

There's so much media attention towards making roads "safer" for pedal cyclists and local authorities pander to their whining. However, you see very little things done for motorcyclists.

I'm not a motorcyclists myself btw.

For a start, I bought little blindspot mirrors from Halfords, they only cost 10 quid, but give me infinitely more vision, drivers of cars should do a "lifesaver" glance too, just check your damned blindspot. The amount of times I saw cars veering out on motorbikes that were overtaking is staggering, and it's horrific to watch, can't imagine how bad it is for the motorbiker. These little mirrors only cost 10 quid, but if they help me see a biker in my blindspot, then it's well worth it. Everyone driving a car should have them.

Let motorcyclists use bus lanes! I can never understand why motorcyclists can't use them and pedal cyclists can. Motorcyclists make up such a small minority on the road and they pollute less and take up much less space. Arguments that they will "jam up" the bus lane is bollocks, if that is the case, then pedal cyclists are blocking it too.

Letting motorcyclists use the bus lanes too will give them a safer space from car drivers.

Man hole covers desperately need looking at, some of them are slippery when walking crossing the road, I can't imagine how lethal they can be when driving two wheels at 50+km/h.

Remove vat from PPE for bikers, high cost might discourage replenishing them.

Run ad campaigns to let people know how vulnerable our biking comrades are, maybe people are just ignorant.

I've gave up biking a few years ago after 25 years or so of near-daily commuting. I figured I'd seen it all in terms of the various angles danger can come from (without supposing I could dodge them all)

If I were getting back into the saddle, I'd most definitely fit a flashing white light to the front of the bike - frontal visibility being probably the major danger area in traffic. I'd get something that flashes a little less manically than a typical cyclists LED. And perhaps include an on/off button (for those times it's less necessary) and an 'overtaking' button to give those drivers waiting to pull out from side roads a bit of notice.

As a car driver, those flashing white LED's really do attract your attention.

And feck the police if they objected.

Alkers

Be sure and let your opinions be known to the RSA who are currently conducting some market research into this very topic:

https://sv.ktrmr.com/mrIWeb/mrIWeb.dll?i.project=D5G24&s=GEN24&id=1&chk=na&pid=auto&korsid=40A433A80A98E343AD587DDE05B0C030

ratracer

Simona1986 wrote: »

Be sure and let your opinions be known to the RSA who are currently conducting some market research into this very topic:

https://sv.ktrmr.com/mrIWeb/mrIWeb.dll?i.project=D5G24&s=GEN24&id=1&chk=na&pid=auto&korsid=40A433A80A98E343AD587DDE05B0C030

I can't!! For some reason if you work in the emergency services you are not able to partake I the survey!

bladespin

ratracer wrote: »

I can't!! For some reason if you work in the emergency services you are not able to partake I the survey!

How mad is that? Firebrigade, garda and ambulance would have more experience (thankfully) than all the rest of us.

Lumen

bladespin wrote: »

How mad is that? Firebrigade, garda and ambulance would have more experience (thankfully) than all the rest of us.

Yes, but garda motorcyclists have specialist training and are exposed to special risks. The RSA wants to survey ordinary meatsacks.

Not sure what the banking exclusion is about. Maybe they're planning a pogrom.

bladespin

Lumen wrote: »

Yes, but garda motorcyclists have specialist training and are exposed to special risks. The RSA wants to survey ordinary meatsacks.

Not sure what the banking exclusion is about. Maybe they're planning a pogrom.

TBH, I wasn't really thinking about the garda motorcyclists, more their observations from accidents.

Bankers, they're utter nutters.

Lumen

bladespin wrote: »

TBH, I wasn't really thinking about the garda motorcyclists, more their observations from accidents.

Ah right. The survey is for personal experience of one's own riding, so maybe that's why they excluded it.

I assume everyone submitting the survey is indicating that they never break posted speed limits. :pac:

GBX

Yes .. I finished the survey but was apprehensive of how I answered some as it led to imply the biker being at fault. So I went with the do not agree/does not apply option.

Del2005

Survey had the feel that they don't like motorbikes. Have you ever let a pillion ride without a helmet etc.

Lumen

Del2005 wrote: »

Survey had the feel that they don't like motorbikes. Have you ever let a pillion ride without a helmet etc.

The RSA are a sack of morons.

They've inspired this satire Twitter feed...

https://twitter.com/Flaminghobo1/

"The current national Road Safety Strategy aims to reduce surfaces not painted fluorescent by 200%"

stewygriffin

Make Dublin City Centre a motorbike only zone.:D

Ban all other road users from entering the city.:P



Ah one can can keep dreaming I suppose.:pac:

stewygriffin

Del2005 wrote: »

Survey had the feel that they don't like motorbikes. Have you ever let a pillion ride without a helmet etc.

Im surprised theres no "do you ride your bike with no tax" question in there.

RSA are anti bike and thats so blatantly obvious.:rolleyes:

Lumen

Damnit! I forgot to add "decriminalize wheelies" to my suggestions at the end of the survey.

CJhaughey

FWIW I added that they should work on reducing the VAT rate on PPE, its a joke that its so high here and so low in the North.
They'll probably put that in the too hard box.

frozenfrozen

i included no vat on ppe, more hedge trimming, no hidden farm gates, and a few other things like that

ridiculous to have vat on ppe gear. I'd imagine the cost to the state to have to treat one inch of road rashed skin would be 100 times the vat they'd get from someone buying a full set of leathers, gloves, etc

rat_race

Doesn't matter if they "hate motorcyclists" or not, really. When you think about it, they're an organisation whom mostly seem to be focused on reducing road deaths, and so they have a right to dislike whatever they want, as does any organisation that encounters things that exist in this world, which makes their end goals more difficult to achieve (in this case, it's motorcyclists, as they over represent road deaths compared to other modes of transport).

Microsoft doesn't like Apple and Apple doesn't like Microsoft. They make each others lives harder. Google doesn't like EU regulation. That does mean any of these entities are good or bad. But they all still have to play by the rules, at the end of the day. And RSA has to play by the rules with road users, including motorcyclists.

Also, it is not worth lying on this survey just because "oh, it made the motorcyclist look like he was in the wrong". If you were in the wrong, you were in the wrong and that is a useful statistic. The world produces much better solutions to problems when it is working with accurate data, not bullsh!t. History has proven this time and time again.

Lumen

rat_race wrote: »

The world produces much better solutions to problems when it is working with accurate data, not bullsh!t. History has proven this time and time again.

We don't need detailed and accurate data to increase road safety when there are such obvious policy issues.

For instance, I've lived in Ireland for about 12 years and NEVER been breathalysed. Not once.

Where is the random testing?

Colm17RvB

That was one long assed survey. Took about 30 minutes. I was slightly annoyed that some of the questions were geared towards the biker already being guilty.

Max Headroom

Colm17RvB wrote: »

That was one long assed survey. Took about 30 minutes. I was slightly annoyed that some of the questions were geared towards the biker already being guilty.

30 mins....did you have a 20min tea brake......love the end bit..Name, email,phone, address....keep yer helmet...;)

bladespin

Colm17RvB wrote: »

That was one long assed survey. Took about 30 minutes. I was slightly annoyed that some of the questions were geared towards the biker already being guilty.

Same, no questions about other roaduser's attitudes, road conditions etc.

Colm17RvB

Max Headroom wrote: »

30 mins....did you have a 20min tea brake......love the end bit..Name, email,phone, address....keep yer helmet...;)

Nah, coffee and dump I find that those surveys often have an agenda and will word the question ambiguously to suit their perception or desired outcome.

bladespin wrote: »

Same, no questions about other roaduser's attitudes, road conditions etc.

There are so many questions which are just plain stupid. "How often do you skid on the wet road" or "when distracted or pre-occupied, you realise 'too late' that the vehicle in front has slowed and you have to brake hard to avoid a collision" ah all the time bud!

aido43

The survey is merely to show that the RSA have approached riders and then off they go to Dept of Transport to get agreement for introduction of a NCT for bikes-- making sure nothing over a few years old gets on road again. All RSA cares about is revenue generation---their stated aim is to introduce enough charges to pay for all the staff without recourse to tax revenue. They will use survey to ensure NCT introduction under guise of safety and then its open season --they have control of cars and trucks-bikes next.