Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

klose

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Maybe that Dutch loud mouth was right.

Ray the fitness egg?:D

I really think origi needs to sit the next one out so perhaps a sturridge lallanna coutinho front 3 and grujic in for lucas? Bit of a wild card i know.

MD1990

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Maybe that Dutch loud mouth was right.

Much of what he says is correct in regards to conditioning etc.

He just acts like an arrogant prick about it.

Harry Palmr

Diafra Sakho, Cheikhou Kouyate, Mark Noble & Andy Carroll all deffo out, plus about another 4 or 5 so it'll be the Hammers B team + Lanzini by the looks of it

BullBlackNova

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Diafra Sakho, Cheikhou Kouyate, Mark Noble & Andy Carroll all deffo out, plus about another 4 or 5 so it'll be the Hammers B team + Lanzini by the looks of it

Noble and Kouyate are the only new additions to that list, I think?

West Ham have been hammered (heh) with injuries for weeks now. The side that beat Spurs was very much cobbled together. Now I don't know who will start at CM instead of those two, but the defence, full backs and attack are still intact.

West Ham: Adrian, Fonte, Reid, Collins, Byram, Kouyate, Noble, Cresswell, Lanzini, Ayew, Calleri

Subs: Snodgrass, Fletcher, Fernandes

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Diafra Sakho, Cheikhou Kouyate, Mark Noble & Andy Carroll all deffo out, plus about another 4 or 5 so it'll be the Hammers B team + Lanzini by the looks of it

Their B team is decent compared to their full strength outfit it seems.

Harry Palmr

Amazing how literally people take posts on here!

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Amazing how literally people take posts on here!

Unreal

Knex*

Do we need to start Lucas this weekend? Away game against a bogey team. Plus, last game aside, he's been pretty good recently.

If so, we go Lucas, Can & Wijnaldum in midfield. Firmino central, with Lallana and Coutinho playing off him.

I hate seeing Firmino playing out wide, so even if Lucas is left out and Lallana is moved back to midfield, I hope that Origi or Sturridge is then played out wide. Although that is highly doubtful.

Agent Coulson

The way some posters are in here at the moment we might as well give West Ham a walk over and tell the lads to go on the summer holidays now.

Harry Palmr

klose wrote: »

I really think origi needs to sit the next one out so perhaps a sturridge lallanna coutinho front 3 and grujic in for lucas? Bit of a wild card i know.

Knex. wrote: »

Do we need to start Lucas this weekend? Away game against a bogey team. Plus, last game aside, he's been pretty good recently.

If so, we go Lucas, Can & Wijnaldum in midfield. Firmino central, with Lallana and Coutinho playing off him.

I hate seeing Firmino playing out wide, so even if Lucas is left out and Lallana is moved back to midfield, I hope that Origi or Sturridge is then played out wide. Although that is highly doubtful.

Forget full backs as they offer so little in attack and Liverpool really need to concentrate on winning this not drawing. If they get 2-0 up then bring on Milner and Clyne for Klavan and Grujic to sit deep.

----Matip--Lovren--Klavan

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Can

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Grujic--Wijn

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Lallana--
Origi----Sturridge---Coutinho

Agent Coulson

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The way some posters are in here at the moment we might as well give West Ham a walk over and tell the lads to go on the summer holidays now.

The way posters are in here has no impact on the game Sunday

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Forget full backs...............
----Matip--Lovren--Klavan

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Can
.................

Can't see Klopp dropping Milner and Clyne, do you reckon he might?

Sappy404

https://twitter.com/LivEchoLFC/status/862949062617829376

They play Fabregas or Pedro or Willian, Jurgen. And if they knew one of them was playing in the AFCON they'd have another one.

Klopp likes moaning about fixtures and injuries. Jose does it too but gets slaughtered.

Vicxas

Well heres hoping this muscle injury is the reason Firmino has been playing dog **** lately

NukaCola

Augeo wrote: »

Klopp likes moaning about fixtures and injuries. Jose does it too but gets slaughtered.

They all moan tbf. Mourinho probably gets more stick cos he spends a fortune.....

JamboMac

Vicxas wrote: »

Well heres hoping this muscle injury is the reason Firmino has been playing dog **** lately

If you want to challenge for anything in the future, I wouldn't be relying on firminho, greatest trick he ever played was making people believe he was a striker.

JamboMac

JamboMac wrote: »

If you want to challenge for anything in the future, I wouldn't be relying on firminho, greatest trick he ever played was making people believe he was a striker.

He scored at a great rate for a couple of months to be fair. Seems to have been a purple patch though.

1 in 3 over his career is likely to remain his quota. Tracking back etc though invaluable in a Klopp "striker" ........... but we still concede loads

JamboMac

Augeo wrote: »

He scored at a great rate for a couple of months to be fair. Seems to have been a purple patch though.

1 in 3 over his career is likely to remain his quota. Tracking back etc though invaluable in a Klopp "striker" ........... but we still concede loads

Think at best he's attacking mid, plus get rid of man bun, can't believe Liverpool fans let him away with that.

Sappy404

JamboMac wrote: »

If you want to challenge for anything in the future, I wouldn't be relying on firminho, greatest trick he ever played was making people believe he was a striker.

I'd rather rely on Firmino than Coutinho TBH. Bobby is the more consistent player, if he isn't being played out wide anyway. Incredible workrate; the problem is when you play him in every game, towards the end of the season he'll likely have a niggling muscle injury...

Osmosis Jones

I like when unbiased United fans provide sound analysis of Liverpool players.

noodler

JamboMac wrote: »

If you want to challenge for anything in the future, I wouldn't be relying on firminho, greatest trick he ever played was making people believe he was a striker.

I don't think anyone thinks he is a striker.

citytillidie

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

I like when unbiased United fans provide sound analysis of Liverpool players.

Just salty he did not sign for them when they thought he was going to :pac::p

Osmosis Jones

Also it's strange to criticise his abilities as a striker when he's spent the past 6 weeks or so on the right wing. It's actually another one of the big reasons I'd like to see Sturridge start again, put Firmino central and let Sturridge play on the right.

Harry Palmr

Alas it's one of Klopp's blind spots, as such I suspect Fun Bobby will end up wide again.

And on that subject - what aspects of Klopp's tactics and strategies do you most dislike.

In no particular order I get annoyed with

- late subs (at least Rafa gave his 35 minutes to make a difference!)
- playing two central midfielders at home against teams who have no intention of playing an open game
- playing Firmino wide to accommodate a striker.
- not buying players in January for spurious reasons.

Sappy404

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Alas it's one of Klopp's blind spots, as such I suspect Fun Bobby will end up wide again.

Firmino right
Lucas and Can in a midfield two
Origi on his own up front

Again and again...

jcsoulinger

I think Bobby could a have a future as a false 9, he was doing very well there until injuries forced him out wide, He offers more than Origi anyway tbh.

Would like to see an attacking team this weekend, Something like same back 4, Can holding, Lallana, Wiji, infront of him, then Coutinho no 10 with Sturridge and Firminho the 2 up top. We need to get at them early as the longer it goes on without the breakthrough the harder it will be.

JamboMac

citytillidie wrote: »

Just salty he did not sign for them when they thought he was going to :pac::p

Never heard that and would never be excited of prospect, the only Liverpool player I'd take is coutinho.

Nerdlingr

JamboMac wrote: »

Think at best he's attacking mid, plus get rid of man bun, can't believe Liverpool fans let him away with that.

Man bun disappeared a few months back. Please keep up.

Firmino has 11 goals and 9 assists in the league this year...so directly involved in 20 goals. That's one less that Mata, Pogba and Mkhitaryan put together.

Some trick to be pulling alright!! :D

Edit: Actually I lie...he's got ten assists...so he's equal to those three...on his own. Some man for one man.

JamboMac

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Man bun disappeared a few months back. Please keep up.

Firmino has 11 goals and 9 assists in the league this year...so directly involved in 20 goals. That's one less that Mata, Pogba and Mkhitaryan put together.

Some trick to be pulling alright!! :D

How many games has any of them played striker? Ok if you lads think he's a great striker fine.

Osmosis Jones

Just because United rely on one lad to score over 30% of their goals doesn't mean all teams have to.

Harry Palmr

JamboMac wrote: »

How many games has any of them played striker? Ok if you lads think he's a great striker fine.

Dunno if you've spotted this but Liverpool have scored about 20 more goals than Man Utd and when everyone is fit the team does not play with a striker at all. Turns out one winger and three No 10's works very well most of the time.

Utopia Parkway

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Man bun disappeared a few months back. Please keep up.

Firmino has 11 goals and 9 assists in the league this year...so directly involved in 20 goals. That's one less that Mata, Pogba and Mkhitaryan put together.

Some trick to be pulling alright!! :D

Firmino is a very good player. Not and out and out striker though so I don't think he should be expected to have a 1 in 2 scoring record like the top number 9's. I do think he has worn down as the season has gone on though. Probably a result of our small squad. He'd probably have a few more goals and assists only for the fact that he has been moved wide quite a bit when there's been injuries.

Nerdlingr

JamboMac wrote: »

How many games has any of them played striker? Ok if you lads think he's a great striker fine.

Havent a clue. We do so thanks.

murpho999

JamboMac wrote: »

Think at best he's attacking mid, plus get rid of man bun, can't believe Liverpool fans let him away with that.

You just proven that you have not seen him play this year as the man bun has been gone for months.


Maybe you should look at your own side more too.

JamboMac

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Havent a clue. We do so thanks.

Why didn You compare an actual striker I.e. Zlatan, can't see the wood from the trees and you lads accuse us of standing by mourinho. Honestly :pac::pac:

Harry Palmr

JamboMac wrote: »

Why didn You compare an actual striker I.e. Zlatan, can't see the wood from the trees and you lads accuse us of standing by mourinho. Honestly :pac::pac:

What the **** are you on about laddie?

Osmosis Jones

As much as we are reliant on the likes of Mane and Lallana right now I'm still thankful we have a decent spread of goals throughout the team, with 3/4 lads on 10+ goals this season.

Osmosis Jones

JamboMac wrote: »

Why didn You compare an actual striker I.e. Zlatan, can't see the wood from the trees and you lads accuse us of standing by mourinho. Honestly :pac::pac:

Even Ibrahimovic has only scored 6 more goals than Firmino :P

And you say Firmino is an attacking mid, so we compare him to attacking mids, then you say we should compare him to a striker?

Nerdlingr

JamboMac wrote: »

Why didn You compare an actual striker I.e. Zlatan, can't see the wood from the trees and you lads accuse us of standing by mourinho. Honestly :pac::pac:

Go back to bed there jambo. Get a good night's rest. :D

Harry Palmr

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

As much as we are reliant on the likes of Mane and Lallana right now I'm still thankful we have a decent spread of goals throughout the team, with 3/4 lads on 10+ goals this season.

Looking at the Top 30 goalscoring list Liverpool have five players (positions 12,16,17 and two at joint 30th) Utd have one.

Mata is their second best with six goals at joint 38th place (same as Origi)

JamboMac

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Even Ibrahimovic has only scored 6 more goals than Firmino :P

And you say Firmino is an attacking mid, so we compare him to attacking mids, then you say we should compare him to a striker?

11 goals in 36
17 in 28

Yeah as an attacking mid he's fine but the other bloke was trying to make him out to be a striker. You lads need to unravel your knickers.

So no he's not an actual like I said and like stats prove.
As for Zlatan man bun it's zlatan

citytillidie

JamboMac wrote: »

Never heard that and would never be excited of prospect, the only Liverpool player I'd take is coutinho.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/583847/Manchester-United-transfer-news-fee-agreed-for-Roberto-Firmino

http://metro.co.uk/2015/04/02/manchester-united-agree-roberto-firmino-transfer-deal-reports-5132031/

http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/man-utd-agree-deal-with-hoffenhaim-ace-roberto-firmino-4081390

https://www.footballfancast.com/football-news/manchester-united-agree-18-6million-deal-to-sign-brazil-attacker

https://manunews.com/blog/manchester-united-agree-fee-with-brazil-sensation/

5starpool

Augeo wrote: »

Klopp likes moaning about fixtures and injuries. Jose does it too but gets slaughtered.

From lots of tiny little digs I really get the impression you'd be delighted if Klopp left a failure.

I know you'll never admit it, so it's pointless me even saying this really, but I thought I'd do it anyhow.

murpho999

JamboMac wrote: »

Never heard that and would never be excited of prospect, the only Liverpool player I'd take is coutinho.

Yes of course none of the players that have put Liverpoool ahead of Utd in the league for the whole season would improve the Utd team.

Sure even Suarez wouldn't get into it.

BorneTobyWilde

If you sign a 35 goal a season striker you're a one man team
If you don't sign a 35 goal a season striker you need to sign a 35 goal a season striker .

JamboMac

Why is me never hearing or even being remotely excited of the prospect of firminho actually a worry?

Sappy404

JamboMac wrote: »

11 goals in 36
17 in 28

Yeah as an attacking mid he's fine but the other bloke was trying to make him out to be a striker. You lads need to unravel your knickers.

So no he's not an actual like I said and like stats prove.
As for Zlatan man bun it's zlatan

We can all agree here, yes? Grand. Settled.

JamboMac

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes of course none of the players that have put Liverpoool ahead of Utd in the league for the whole season would improve the Utd team.

Sure even Suarez wouldn't get into it.

Sorry what are you debating?

Knex*

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If you sign a 35 goal a season striker you're a one man team
If you don't sign a 35 goal a season striker you need to sign a 35 goal a season striker .

This is so god damn true.