Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

Lord Trollington

mosstin wrote: »

Your expectations evolve as the season progresses. It's a failure that we haven't learned how to defeat deep lying teams at home. It's a failure that we still look like conceding from almost all set pieces. It was a failure not to recruit in January.
We know the strength of the sides we're dealing with but they've underperformed woefully for the most part and we might not be able to take advantage of that in spite of giving ourselves a head start.
The most galling thing were we not to make Top 4 would be that most of the blows that were landed on us were self inflicted. Leicester never once let the "relative strength" of their opponents stop them from achieving their goal last season. When you're given an opportunity as we have this season, you take it. We still might but, again, it'll be a failure if we don't.

Anyone who thinks that not finishing in top 4 (considering the position we are in now) is anything but failure is on the purest of pure crack out there

NukaCola

shamrock55 wrote: »

Southampton,palace,bournmouth,burnley,sunderland,swansea are hardly barce or real either are they

True. I'm commenting on the dread some people have of facing them though. Sure, we could drop points against them like we did against the teams you've listed, but we should have nothing to fear playing them. We have enough to beat them and I think we will.

NukaCola

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Anyone who thinks that not finishing in top 4 (considering the position we are in now) is anything but failure is on the purest of pure crack out there

Yea, at the start of the season I'd have been delighted with our position now, but when you take into consideration the position we've been in for the majority of the season it would be a failure. Might be harsh but its true IMO.

J Mysterio

Gbear wrote: »

I'm all for signing more Brazilians, purely on principle.

Good to make a core of them.

Think it worked well with the spaniards under Benitez.

Need a few more Germans though.
Lob in Brandt, Goretzka and Meyer and we're golden.

Das ist perfekt! Germany efficiency with Brazilian flair! Wunderbar.

J Mysterio

Lord Trollington wrote: »

If Sturridge and Lallana start I can see us getting the result we need tomorrow.

If Klopp goes with Origi up front and the same passive crap we've witnessed the last few weeks we'll get nothing from this game.

I genuinely believe it's down the Klopp and team selection tomorrow. Sturridge had to start , they will fear him more and it will send out a signal to West Ham from the off

Agree.

NukaCola

J Mysterio wrote: »

Das ist perfekt! Germany efficiency with Brazilian flair! Wunderbar.

With a Belgian waffler......

5starpool

shamrock55 wrote: »

If its down to klopp then we're fcuked

Who do you want to be Liverpool manager? Realistically.

TitianGerm

5starpool wrote: »

Who do you want to be Liverpool manager? Realistically.

Based on his comments about Klopp he'll want him out in 18 months aswell.

5starpool

emmetkenny wrote: »

Based on his comments about Klopp he'll want him out in 18 months aswell.

He wants him out much sooner than that I'd say.

Klopp is far from perfect but even if we do have a disappointing end and miss out I'm happy to have him around next season. There might be cause to have a think about things after next season if things don't go great, but I'll see how it goes before I think anything like that.

Agent Coulson

Carra has said Liverpool have never won a game he has commentated on for Sky and he just announced that he is commentating the game tomorrow.

J Mysterio

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Carra has said Liverpool have never won a game he has commentated on for Sky and he just announced that he is commentating the game tomorrow.

Rather listen to Carragher than Neville!

shamrock55

5starpool wrote: »

Who do you want to be Liverpool manager? Realistically.

Someone who knows how to manage,who has a plan b,who knows how to beat teams who come to defend,someone who doesnt wait till the last 5 mins to change personnel,someone who doesnt take 2years to sort out a defence or goalkeeper or let one of our best cb go when we dont replace him,i like klopp but im just not convinced by him tbh

mormank

5starpool wrote: »

He wants him out much sooner than that I'd say.

Klopp is far from perfect but even if we do have a disappointing end and miss out I'm happy to have him around next season. There might be cause to have a think about things after next season if things don't go great, but I'll see how it goes before I think anything like that.

No, I think he means whoever he would want as a Klopp replacement he would also want them out within 18 months of appointment due to the unrealistically high bar he and others have set for anyone managing Liverpool, due to the fact that we were dominant in the league over 20 years ago now and despite the huge financial disadvantage we face against our rivals. Win everything or you're a failure. :rolleyes:

shamrock55

5starpool wrote: »

He wants him out much sooner than that I'd say.

Klopp is far from perfect but even if we do have a disappointing end and miss out I'm happy to have him around next season. There might be cause to have a think about things after next season if things don't go great, but I'll see how it goes before I think anything like that.

Sounds to me your having doubts already

PaddyWilliams

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Carra has said Liverpool have never won a game he has commentated on for Sky and he just announced that he is commentating the game tomorrow.

Just fcuking wonderful

shamrock55

Im more then happy to give klopp another year but it will be a massive clusterfcuk if we fail to get cl and it would mainly be down to klopp,if we fail id give him one more year and if still no change then out with him

mormank

shamrock55 wrote: »

Im more then happy to give klopp another year but it will be a massive clusterfcuk if we fail to get cl and it would mainly be down to klopp,if we fail id give him one more year and if still no change then out with him

Now I can't really argue with any of this, barring the absolute of top 4 next season or you're out. As a rule I hate such absolutes.

Charlie19

We're going to get 6 points from our two remaining games.

And you know what...

Next year is going to be our year.

shamrock55

mormank wrote: »

No, I think he means whoever he would want as a Klopp replacement he would also want them out within 18 months of appointment due to the unrealistically high bar he and others have set for anyone managing Liverpool, due to the fact that we were dominant in the league over 20 years ago now and despite the huge financial disadvantage we face against our rivals. Win everything or you're a failure. :rolleyes:

Noone said we have to win everything, plus i never realised we have a huge financial disadvantage to the likes of bournmouth,burnley,swansea and co,whats your excuse for not beating the likes of them

Agent Coulson

The Echo is reporting that Klopp has already been talking with players he hopes to sign in the summer so looks like it moved a bit further that monitoring the crap out of them and he wants to get those players in a soon as possible once the window opens.

niallo27

shamrock55 wrote: »

Noone said we have to win everything, plus i never realised we have a huge financial disadvantage to the likes of bournmouth,burnley,swansea and co,whats your excuse for not beating the likes of them

You still haven't answered the question though who you would like in charge.

5starpool

shamrock55 wrote: »

Sounds to me your having doubts already

Doubts would be an exaggeration. I'm realistic enough to know that things might not work out. I like how he wants us to play, but there have been a lot of performances recently that have not been to the standard most of us would like. It's possible at this time next year there might be some more saying that he probably won't get it right, but I'm certainly not going to say that we have to finish in x position or get you points for him to still have my support. There is a lot of context to be taken into account.

He has made with I perceive to be mistakes this season, but he is a million times more qualified and better placed than me to make those decisions.

jayo26

I see shamrock in here and it makes me greatful we only have bangkok and jambo in ours

Klopp ain't perfect but he is a daycent manager he is definitely not as bad as he makes out.

mormank

shamrock55 wrote: »

Noone said we have to win everything, plus i never realised we have a huge financial disadvantage to the likes of bournmouth,burnley,swansea and co,whats your excuse for not beating the likes of them

I'm pretty sure you have said that we need to win the league. I know that Borntobewilde said that a league and champion's league double would only be a good season, that's the word he used....GOOD!! It's like ye're expectations don't take into account anything other than the fact that we are LFC and therefore should be challenging for the league every year, which of course is nonsense.
As for the financial advantage, you know I'm referring to our top 6 rivals and this means that we don't have the same resources available to us as they do which makes it tougher to be competitive throughout an entire seasons and also can limit our number of different options for different situations i.e. a benteke type that who we can cross the ball into when teams are being compact against us.

mormank

niallo27 wrote: »

You still haven't answered the question though who you would like in charge.

He did, he wants a unicorn!

GotTheTshirt

mormank wrote: »

He did, he wants a unicorn!

With jesus christ himself saddled up and the easter bunny holding on to it's tail on a skateboard

Agent Coulson

shamrock55 wrote: »

Someone who knows how to manage,who has a plan b,who knows how to beat teams who come to defend,someone who doesnt wait till the last 5 mins to change personnel,someone who doesnt take 2years to sort out a defence or goalkeeper or let one of our best cb go when we dont replace him,i like klopp but im just not convinced by him tbh

Sounds like Big Sam or Tony Pulis.

niallo27

niallo27 wrote: »

You still haven't answered the question though who you would like in charge.

Don't expect one. One that is realistic anyway.

Living in the past some Liverpool fans. Still think we should be winning titles from the bootroom.

shamrock55

niallo27 wrote: »

You still haven't answered the question though who you would like in charge.

Ancelotti,rafa,hiddink,simeone

firemansam4

mormank wrote:

I'm pretty sure you have said that we need to win the league. I know that Borntobewilde said that a league and champion's league double would only be a good season, that's the word he used....GOOD!! It's like ye're expectations don't take into account anything other than the fact that we are LFC and therefore should be challenging for the league every year, which of course is nonsense. As for the financial advantage, you know I'm referring to our top 6 rivals and this means that we don't have the same resources available to us as they do which makes it tougher to be competitive throughout an entire seasons and also can limit our number of different options for different situations i.e. a benteke type that who we can cross the ball into when teams are being compact against us.

I agree with most of this post but I think this argument that we dont have the turn over of the other clubs in the top 6 is a bit misleading.
For a start our turnover is well above spurs from what I can make out, and I dont think we are too far behind Chelsea and Arsenal. Yet year after year these teams out perform us for the most part.

shamrock55

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Don't expect one. One that is realistic anyway.

Living in the past some Liverpool fans. Still think we should be winning titles from the bootroom.

Again ive not fcuking once said we should be winning the title but we most certainly should be able to beat burnley,bournmouth,swansea and the rest of the **** we have dropped points to

Buford T. Justice XIX

jayo26 wrote: »

I see shamrock in here and it makes me greatful we only have bangkok and jambo in ours

Klopp ain't perfect but he is a daycent manager he is definitely not as bad as he makes out.

Jambo is brilliant. I always read his posts to the tune of Jambo breakfast roll by Pat Short, makes it a lot easier on the eyes.

Osmosis Jones

Every team in the league drops points to teams they "shouldn't be dropping points to."

Agent Coulson

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The Echo is reporting that Klopp has already been talking with players he hopes to sign in the summer so looks like it moved a bit further that monitoring the crap out of them and he wants to get those players in a soon as possible once the window opens.

As per the press conference klopp said top4 or not will have an effect on who is signed.

shamrock55

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Every team in the league drops points to teams they "shouldn't be dropping points to."

Top teams do it every now and then, with us its a regular occurance

eyerer

No pressure so :P
What I couldn't understand was seeing earlier this season, Liverpool has a higher wage bill than Man City. Just typing this out makes me certain its crap lol. Man City, Chelsea and Utd in a large part attract players with wages we won't pay...
It's frustrating nowadays watching football, you can't win anything without spending a fortune (unless you're lucky like Leicester), and Liverpool don't have owners that will spend a fortune.

daithijjj

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Every team in the league drops points to teams they "shouldn't be dropping points to."

Sure they do.

Problem is, it is highly unusual to be that good against the best in the league and that bad against the worst. It is indicative of 'higher' problems in the set up. Those problems can be debated. What cant be debated is the inconsistency, which breeds massive frustration. If we lost 4-0 tomorrow i wouldnt be surprised, if we won 4-0 i wouldnt be surprised.

The real issue for me, from what i see, is that there is a real lack of mental fortitude. There is a basic lack of intelligence and simply managing games.

Some people talk like taking this squad to CL football is a monumental achievement. If that was the case what the fu*k was last summers transfer window all about?. If we cant get the right players this summer where does all this end?. It's a massive summer regardless of CL football or not.

the whole year inn

eyerer wrote: »

No pressure so :P
What I couldn't understand was seeing earlier this season, Liverpool has a higher wage bill than Man City. Just typing this out makes me certain its crap lol. Man City, Chelsea and Utd in a large part attract players with wages we won't pay...
It's frustrating nowadays watching football, you can't win anything without spending a fortune (unless you're lucky like Leicester), and Liverpool don't have owners that will spend a fortune.

City are very good on there wage bill, maybe it's true, where did you see that info, can you please post it?

jayo26

eyerer wrote: »

No pressure so :P
What I couldn't understand was seeing earlier this season, Liverpool has a higher wage bill than Man City. Just typing this out makes me certain its crap lol. Man City, Chelsea and Utd in a large part attract players with wages we won't pay...
It's frustrating nowadays watching football, you can't win anything without spending a fortune (unless you're lucky like Leicester), and Liverpool don't have owners that will spend a fortune.

Is it player only wagebills? City have alot of their staff wages write off with the parent company or something like that I remember reading before.

Knex*

I've changed my mind lads; We're gonna win, and we're gonna get top 4.

If anyone has any doubts, just follow my lead. Half a bottle of Jameson and you'll be optimistic as **** in no time.

Harry Palmr

The Mirror are transfer crazy at the moment - Andrew Robertson to be announced they say on first day of summer window

Benimar

Had a chance at the league in 13/14
Should have made the Cup Final in 14/15
Lost the League Cup on penalties in 15/16
Lost the EL final in 15/16 despite being ahead at half time.

This team needs to start getting over the line. As much as winning is a habit, so is falling at the final hurdle. We have done that too often lately.

These next two games are massive, not just for CL football, but to prove (to themselves maybe?) that they can seal the deal.

Absolutely bricking it for this game.

ElTel

Alonso77 wrote: »

Plus Milner misses a penalty last week for the first time in decades and mahrez forgets to stand up for his penalty today, still scores and a free out is given.

This is why I'm worried that things are not going out way.

I can imagine a pigeon running across the goal line tomorrow preventing a last min winner for us.

And I can see the black cat chasing it re-directing it . :pac:

BorneTobyWilde

Tomorrow is it for us, the last chance saloon. It's down to this game now anything other than a win and we come 5th .
This game is huge, it's our season. If we fail to win tomorrow it's over and it will be all our own fault.

NukaCola

the whole year inn wrote: »

City are very good on there wage bill, maybe it's true, where did you see that info, can you please post it?

jayo26 wrote: »

Is it player only wagebills? City have alot of their staff wages write off with the parent company or something like that I remember reading before.

If its the same wage bill I was looking at it was total wage bill of everyone working for the club.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpools-wage-bill-rockets-25-12700881

Charlie19

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Don't expect one. One that is realistic anyway.

Living in the past some Liverpool fans. Still think we should be winning titles from the bootroom.

Why not think that we can win titles?

Look at what we did under Houllier in 2001 with a very average squad.

Again in the 2005 season with Rafa.

Came so close in 2008 and 2013.

Look at our record this season against the so called title contenders.

Finally look what Leicester City done last season, while coming up against the type of money that Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and the two Manchester clubs had at their disposal.

5starpool

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The Mirror are transfer crazy at the moment - Andrew Robertson to be announced they say on first day of summer window

Who is he?

ERG89

5starpool wrote:

Who is he?

Hull's left back.....hopefully it's not true.
If we're ever going to progress & y'know win something we need to start aiming higher in the transfer market especially with full backs. Would any of the teams around us be in for him? No chance.
Big game tomorrow. I had predicted a draw but figured Arsenal would slip up by now so hoping I'm wrong. Even with West Ham's injuries I'm still not confident. Will need to avoid a lot of people on Monday if we mess up again. >.<

corwill

Jaysus lads. This thread, this evening:

mormank

shamrock55 wrote: »

Again ive not fcuking once said we should be winning the title but we most certainly should be able to beat burnley,bournmouth,swansea and the rest of the **** we have dropped points to

Well if we had of beaten all of those teams like you say we should have we would have walked the league so in essence you are saying we should have won the league. :eek: