Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

Vicxas

Wheety wrote: »

Utd still have to play Chelsea, Spurs, Man City, Arsenal and Everton

Actually, almost every week now, there is a match between the top teams. If we can stop dropping stupid points then top 4 is ours as someone around us will be dropping points most weeks.

Easier said than done, we just need to figure out how to move the bus when these guys decide to park it.

Wheety

Vicxas wrote: »

Easier said than done, we just need to figure out how to move the bus when these guys decide to park it.

We need Mane to unlock those type of teams. Hopefully he's not out too long.

Lallana, Mane and Hendo likely out for Wed, that's difficult to manage.

Vicxas

Augeo wrote: »

Lallana, Mane and Hendo likely out for Wed, that's difficult to manage.

We managed ok without Lallana and Hendo on Saturday, Mane tho.... will be tough i reckon.

rob316

Are Bournemouth one of the park the bus teams? Howe generally has them play attacking football ya?

If they stick 10 men behind the ball, we could seriously struggle to break them down without Mane. Big chance for Origi with Mane out, seriously rate the lad still.

Knex*

rob316 wrote: »

Are Bournemouth one of the park the bus teams? Howe generally has them play attacking football ya?

If they stick 10 men behind the ball, we could seriously struggle to break them down without Mane. Big chance for Origi with Mane out, seriously rate the lad still.

Any time I've watched them they've shown a tendency to attack alright. Even against the big teams, although they may have been primarily home games that I was watching.

I don't think Howe is one for parking the bus though.

5starpool

They didn't park the bus against us 4 months ago and had no problem scoring to come back from 2 down. It's more complicated than parked bus or not.

Agent Coulson

The club want £30m for Sakho in the summer.

J Mysterio

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The club want £30m for Sakho in the summer.

noodler

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The club want £30m for Sakho in the summer.

Lovely.

He's staying so.

ThunbergsAreGo

noodler wrote: »

Lovely.

He's staying so.

They spent £15m on Van Aanholt!

NukaCola

So that leaves Matip, Lovren, Klavan and Gomez at CB..........Sakho at best probably better than them all, at least on par with Matip. If he leaves we probably need 2 CB's, dont want to see too much of Klavan next year, not convinced that Gomez is ready either tbh.

hefferboi

If he keeps playing the way he has been since he joined Palace then we should look for more than 30 mill. He's better than stones, imo.

BorneTobyWilde

Sakho is no Mr Cool at the back. Everything he does is comical, but effective. He's entertaining to watch, not exactly the title winning centre back you'd need to be a success though. The 25m could be spent elsewhere.
I would like to see a proven centre back aged 30 plus come in for the experience. Pepe will leave Madrid in few months, he's 34 though. Will head to China to play for 1 billion per week no doubt.

BorneTobyWilde

hefferboi wrote: »

If he keeps playing the way he has been since he joined Palace then we should look for more than 30 mill. He's better than stones, imo.

I've only seen clips of him at Palace , he's all over the shop yet effective. It's a crazy way to play football/ everything he does has 75% risk attached yet he manages to get away with his play.

hefferboi

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Sakho is no Mr Cool at the back. Everything he does is comical, but effective. He's entertaining to watch, not exactly the title winning centre back you'd need to be a success though. The 25m could be spent elsewhere.
I would like to see a proven centre back aged 30 plus come in for the experience. Pepe will leave Madrid in few months, he's 34 though. Will head to China to play for 1 billion per week no doubt.

I'd argue he's as cool as any cb in the league. Too cool on the ball at times which is a weakness, but he's great at reading the ball, powerful in the air and can set attacks from deep. I think him and Matip would get the best out of each other with a competent cdm in front of them and a top keeper behind them.

On the cdm role, Lucas gave a perfect display of how to play that role on saturday. He dominated everything in the middle and was 1st to every breaking ball from Lovren and Matip. Beat Lukaku in the air more often than not and his passing was perfect. Getting in someone who can play that role week in week out has to be the number one priority if we want to get that consistency that we've lacked for years. It makes the back 5's job so much simpler having a proper dm in front of them. Can turn an average cb into a top class one, imo.

NukaCola

hefferboi wrote: »

If he keeps playing the way he has been since he joined Palace then we should look for more than 30 mill. He's better than stones, imo.

Or just keep him. One last chance or whatever........he must have done something crazy that the club has kept under wraps, no way we are shipping him on because he turned up late a few times or whatever was spun.

Mr.H

Vicxas wrote:

Easier said than done, we just need to figure out how to move the bus when these guys decide to park it.

Won't be easy considering they are on strike

Buford T. Justice XIX

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I've only seen clips of him at Palace , he's all over the shop yet effective. It's a crazy way to play football/ everything he does has 75% risk attached yet he manages to get away with his play.

It's like the guy using his controller is all over the shop but just about manages to control the feet enough to actually kick the ball with the rest of his body flailing wildly and madly about.:)

BorneTobyWilde

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

It's like the guy using his controller is all over the shop but just about manages to control the feet enough to actually kick the ball with the rest of his body flailing wildly and madly about.:)

Yep, and he carries those mannerisms off the pitch, into the dressing room and on to the training ground. Top clubs and managers find it all a bit too much. There has to be a time to get serious, he never does. It's not all fun and games at top clubs.

Mr.H

Seriously guys do ye forget how he played like that for us and at times it cost us games??

He is a great lad (seems genuinely like he is just having a laugh and enjoying himself all the time) but his immaturity shouldnt be brought onto the field. He has a great aggressive tackle about him and when he sticks to the tackling he can a a top top center back but when he has the ball he at times tries to dummy around much more skilled strikers and has a couple of times been caught out. This of course leaves the striker in a one on one with our keeper which we dont seem to have a competent one in those situations.

Brilliant defender on his day but too erratic for a team with top 4 aspirations

brevity

My super scouting sources tell me Liverpool should sign Jonathan Tah.

Agent Coulson

brevity wrote: »

My super scouting sources tell me Liverpool should sign Jonathan Tah.

Mine agree with you.

monkey9

Sahko will never play for Liverpool again so there's not much point discussing it.

Mr.H

monkey9 wrote: »

Sahko will never play for Liverpool again so there's not much point discussing it.

It can still be discussed. In fact there is more point in discussing players who are under contract than ones who are not

Knex*

Important information regarding Mane:

Sadio Mane has 6 goals against the top 7, Manchester United have 5.

Knex*

On a serious note, did we hear anymore since yesterday about his injury?

Harry Palmr

Sure he was walking about unaided after the game and nothing about scans and likely outcomes has tweeted by the usual suspects since which suggests he's likely to miss one game at most.

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Sure he was walking about unaided after the game and nothing about scans and likely outcomes has tweeted by the usual suspects since which suggests he's likely to miss one game at most.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/10823600/liverpool-awaiting-news-of-sadio-manes-scan

Harry Palmr

Sky is not a usual suspect (and I have been off line all day it must be said in my own defence)

Iused2likebusts

Knex. wrote: »

Important information regarding Mane:

Sadio Mane has 6 goals against the top 7, Manchester United have 5.

And yet not one of our front four would get in their team despite the fact we have scored 22 more goals than them.

Harry Palmr

Liverpool U23s v Norwich (PL Cup QF)

Kelleher; Whelan, N Phillips, Masterson, Hart; J Williams; M Gomes, Virtue, Alves, T Gomes; Brewster

KO at 7 PM it's on LFC tv

Once again Liverpool are happy to field a much weaker squad in an "under age" Cup than they might do with
TAA, Gomez, Stewart, Grujić, Wilson, Ojo, Woodburn all with the seniors

noodler

Mr.H wrote: »

Seriously guys do ye forget how he played like that for us and at times it cost us games??
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I remember him playing very well.

Can't remember too many goals/games he cost us, at least not where you could blame him 100%.

He just looks awkward on the ball, usually makes the right decision and pass in possession.

J Mysterio

Mr.H wrote: »

It can still be discussed. In fact there is more point in discussing players who are under contract than ones who are not

Hand on heart I haven't seen a player who slide tackles better than Sakho. Decent in the air, aggressive but controlled. He also has an excellent low hard drive pass that pops the ball right into the CF's foot, turning defence into attack.

He is undoubtedly a lively character and maybe that's mostly the problem but you would have thought Klopp could have channelled that.

D0NNELLY

J Mysterio wrote: »

Hand on heart I haven't seen a player who slide tackles better than Sakho. Decent in the air, aggressive but controlled. He also has an excellent low hard drive pass that pops the ball right into the CF's foot, turning defence into attack.

He is undoubtedly a lively character and maybe that's mostly the problem but you would have thought Klopp could have channelled that.

I think klopp likes being the lively character. Personality clash, on top of the lateness.

J Mysterio

D0NNELLY wrote: »

I think klopp likes being the lively character. Personality clash, on top of the lateness.

I agree it's probably a big personality clash. I'd say Sakho is too loud and him messing about just drove Klopp mental. It's tragic though.

As someone pointed out earlier, a Sakho-Matip partnership would be something to behold.

NukaCola

If he was willing to be short at CB because of a personality clash I'd be very disappointed in Klopp. We all have to work with people we don't get on with, it would be incomprehensible to me that a good manager couldn't do that, and irresponsible when we are so short of quality at CB.

I doubt we'll ever find out but it's a big loss.

J Mysterio

https://twitter.com/OptaJoe/status/848474766851932160/photo/1

Allardyce after Sakho receives Palace POTM:

"His future doesn't look as if it is at Liverpool. He's enjoying his football and his life here. He's brought that resilience to the team by leading by example. He's taking a commanding role in his performance and the information he's giving out on the field. That has helped with our defensive resilience: one goal conceded in four games."

D0NNELLY

NukaCola wrote: »

I doubt we'll ever find out

Mamadou must be due an autobiography

OwaynOTT

D0NNELLY wrote: »

Mamadou must be due an autobiography

Sakho: confessions of a painter decorator

charolais0153

J Mysterio wrote: »

Hand on heart I haven't seen a player who slide tackles better than Sakho. Decent in the air, aggressive but controlled. He also has an excellent low hard drive pass that pops the ball right into the CF's foot, turning defence into attack.

He is undoubtedly a lively character and maybe that's mostly the problem but you would have thought Klopp could have channelled that.

That naingolan lad from roma has a great slide tackle

brevity

Nice article on Monchi by Sid Lowe:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/apr/03/sevilla-life-after-monchi-the-man-who-is-the-club

NukaCola

Someone on Reddit done last seasons 30 games versus this seasons 30 games EPL comparison for Klopp. The improvements made are impressive. Slightly off that 2 ppg we need to hit regularly but I am quite happy with the job Klopps doing. Hopefully this improvement can continue.

Season P W D L F A GD CS Win % Pts
Overall 60 30 17 13 119 77 42 15 50 107
2015-16 30 13 9 8 55 40 15 8 43 48
2016-17 30 17 8 5 64 37 27 7 57 59

Agent Coulson

Kicker in Germany are supposed to have an interview/quote from Julian Brandt father who is also his agent saying the links to Munich are fake news.

5starpool

Echo says that Can missed training today. Hopefully precautionary or else we'll see Grujic or Stewart start in midfield on Wednesday I'd say.

Kerrigooney

5starpool wrote: »

Echo says that Can missed training today. Hopefully precautionary or else we'll see Grujic or Stewart start in midfield on Wednesday I'd say.

You beat me to it. I'd say he's black and blue after the kicking he got on Saturday...hopefully nothing too serious.

Knex*

5starpool wrote: »

Echo says that Can missed training today. Hopefully precautionary or else we'll see Grujic or Stewart start in midfield on Wednesday I'd say.

Don't know how he finished the game on Saturday. At least once in both halves I thought he was done for.

Agent Coulson

Can did get a nasty studs to kneecap tackle that I am sure hurt a lot and was very lucky didn't do a lot more damage.

Kerrigooney

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Can did get a nasty studs to kneecap tackle that I am sure hurt a lot and was very lucky didn't do a lot more damage.

One of those that you might run off during a game but once you stop moving gets very painful.

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Liverpool now have one fewer point than last seasons total and there are 8 games left.

As of now compared to last season

2015/16 Liverpool 30 12 9 9 9 8 46 41 +5 45 1.50

2016/17 Liverpool 30 17 8 5 7 4 64 37 +27 59 1.97

Worth pointing out that in the last 6 games they've scored 12 goals, so that drought period is over it seems.

v top half
Liverpool 15 9 6 0 5 2 26 12 +14 33 2.20
bottom half
Liverpool 15 8 2 5 2 2 38 25 +13 26 1.73

NukaCola wrote: »

Someone on Reddit done last seasons 30 games versus this seasons 30 games EPL comparison for Klopp. The improvements made are impressive. Slightly off that 2 ppg we need to hit regularly but I am quite happy with the job Klopps doing. Hopefully this improvement can continue.

Season P W D L F A GD CS Win % Pts
Overall 60 30 17 13 119 77 42 15 50 107
2015-16 30 13 9 8 55 40 15 8 43 48
2016-17 30 17 8 5 64 37 27 7 57 59

Just check this thread for that sort of thing, the numbers are also more accurate unless Statto is wrong.