Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

mormank

noodler wrote: »

Is that true?

Christ on a two-wheeled self propelling mode of transport.

A bike is not self propelling!

noodler

spockety wrote: »

Coutinho was taken off because he was sick. Literally vomited at half time.

Lovely.

Another confidence booster for the Stoke game!

noodler

mormank wrote: »

A bike is not self propelling!

Go back to 12 hours ago when I cared!

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shamrock55

monkey9 wrote: »

So is it FSG or Klopp you're having your tantrum at?

Both

mormank

noodler wrote: »

Go back to 12 hours ago when I cared!

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Ya I hear ya, I hate it too when I say something to try and sound clever and it turns out sounding the opposite!

mormank

shamrock55 wrote: »

Tried watching that again last night actually but switched it off,i cant understand the love for that film its garbage

Oooh I bet you're a big Michael Bay fan. Lots of cool explosions and fancy cars etc. :rolleyes:

Osmosis Jones

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Depth wasn't the issue today anyway, composure was. Defence completely falls apart at the first bit of pressure. No matter the opposition they always win the second ball, our players can't clear a ball 15 yards.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/04/04/jurgen-klopp-liverpool-must-learn-win-ugly-without-sadio-mane/

First game after the win ugly speel.... we 2 1 up at home and can't close out the game. Grim enough really.

Vicxas

We nearly did win, and not ugly. But Klavan decided he forgot how to tackle.

I could see it all happening in slow motion, you knew what was going to happen the minute the ball came back in.

klose

5 points dropped from winning positions against a painfully average Bournemouth side this season, big strides taken by klopp this season but plenty more things to improve on.

OwaynOTT

Liverpool are the team that have dropped the most points in games involving Bournemouth apart from Bournemouth themselves.


might not be true think Swansea has dropped 6 points

Iused2likebusts

In the last 2 games we have gained 3 pts on city, 2 on utd and matched arsenal.

mada999

Grayditch wrote: »

Clyne and Can? Ok, so.

in fairness... Clyne is a bit redundant in this team... good against the top 6 poor when we need the full backs to provide more going forward..

ThunbergsAreGo

Crazy goal to concede, but we were actually really comfortable that goal aside in the second half. Even at that Klavan (and maybe Origi) should win it at the end. If the tables were turned that header goes in

More of the second half and less of the first please

And agree on Clyne, I would have liked to have seen Clyne and Milner swapped at some stage this year

Vicxas

Vicxas wrote: »

We nearly did win, and not ugly. But Klavan decided he forgot how to tackle. .............

Indeed.
However we went 5 at the back more or less, an obvious decision to try and close out the game in defensive mode once Coutinho came off injured.

Nerdlingr

Saw some of game but missed the last 15 mins. Judging by the comments on here i thought Klavan might have made an shocking error to 'give away' the equaliser. Turns out he didnt and people seem to be going OTT again. Wijnaldum's back pass to put us one down after a few minutes seems to have got lost in the narrative. 2 shots on target, 2 goals. Just seems to be one of those games. Bringing matip on for coutinho with half and hour to go? Dont think it did us any favours did it.

NukaCola

Thought we played well, really deflating to concede late on. Not happy that we had to start a game with Lovren and Klavan at CB while we ship out a far superior player on loan. If we were losing Sakho in Jan we should have bought in Jan, its not good enough to say players aren't available while getting rid of good players at the same time. Recruitment remains a big problem for us, I hope we get it right in the summer.

NukaCola

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Saw some of game but missed the last 15 mins. Judging by the comments on here i thought Klavan might have made an shocking error to 'give away' the equaliser. Turns out he didnt and people seem to be going OTT again. Wijnaldum's back pass to put us one down after a few minutes seems to have got lost in the narrative. 2 shots on target, 2 goals. Just seems to be one of those games. Bringing matip on for coutinho with half and hour to go? Dont think it did us any favours did it.

People cut Wij some slack because he's normally solid and set up a goal. Matip came on to shut up shop, many complain here we dont do it enough. Klavan is a poor CB or average at best, he wouldn't start in any top 10 EPL team.

Nerdlingr

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Saw some of game but missed the last 15 mins. Judging by the comments on here i thought Klavan might have made an shocking error to 'give away' the equaliser..................

It was poor defending rather than a howler.
He's 3rd/4th choice CB so essentially not that good to be fair.

NukaCola wrote: »

....... Matip came on to shut up shop, many complain here we dont do it enough............

I reckon it's more can't than "won't"

NukaCola

Augeo wrote: »

It was poor defending rather than a howler.
He's 3rd/4th choice CB so essentially not that good to be fair.

Well, I cut him a lot of slack because of that but when you start 19 games, 14 in the league that excuse no longer works. He basically started half our league games.....

NukaCola

Augeo wrote: »

I reckon it's more can't than "won't"

We absolutely cant, but many do complain that we keep attacking and dont defend enough. We dont because we cant.

Nerdlingr

NukaCola wrote: »

People cut Wij some slack because he's normally solid and set up a goal. Matip came on to shut up shop, many complain here we dont do it enough. Klavan is a poor CB or average at best, he wouldn't start in any top 10 EPL team.

He's average enough but he does a job and to be honest he's pretty solid and doesn't make too many high profile errors. He was bought as back up and thats what he is, for the most part.
I'm on about last nights goal. If you read the criticism of him on here without seeing the goal, like i did, you would have thought he made a total f*ck up. He didnt. They got a lucky ricochet and he was unable to react fast enough-it happens.
Matip came on to shut up shop with 30 MINUTES to go. At home. To Bournemouth. A move which handed the initiative to them.
Just disappointed after beating everton 3-1 we revert to type and draw to one of the lower teams...AGAIN!! Still, we're in a great position so hopefully we can solider on and get 3rd/4th.

11 pts from last 5 games 2.2 ppg

15 pts from last 10 games :mad: / 1.5 ppg

I reckon it's very much touch and go what we'll do over the next 7 games.

NukaCola

Nerdlingr wrote: »

He was bought as back up and thats what he is, for the most part.

He's played a huge role in our season. Half our league games. He may have been intended as a backup but he's played way more than I'd have expected. Not good enough IMO. Just because you dont make mistakes doesn't mean you have been effective.

Harry Palmr

I decided not to post last night to avoid a perma ban.

It was impossible to see what was to be gained by playing with an extra defender for over half an hour, let West Brom do that - Pulis understands defence Klopp doesn't. Play to your strengths not your weakness. If Coutinho was carrying a knock then bring on Sturridge to play off Origi, or throw on a busy midfielder like Grujic.

MD1990

Klopp made a big error with the Matip sub last night.
Bournemouth are good going forward but poor at the back it played into there hands.

corwill

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Matip came on to shut up shop with 30 MINUTES to go. At home. To Bournemouth. A move which handed the initiative to them.

It all comes back to squad depth. The closest thing to a like for like replacement for Coutinho last night would have been Woodburn. Or Grujic or maybe TAA on deeper in midfield, with Wijnaldum pushed forward into the front three. Even with hindsight, I can't blame Klopp for going with Matip instead.

But if we're having this conversation again next season, then Klopp has to be accountable for it. Serious recruitment required this summer.

noodler

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Matip came on to shut up shop with 30 MINUTES to go. At home. To Bournemouth. A move which handed the initiative to them.
Just disappointed after beating everton 3-1 we revert to type and draw to one of the lower teams...AGAIN!! Still, we're in a great position so hopefully we can solider on and get 3rd/4th.

He did, but as you say it came from a throw and a richocet so I'm not sure tactics had anything to do with the concession of the goal although perhaps we could have gotten a 3rd with Cout on the pitch.

Not much more positive this morning than I was last night. Fearful of the Stoke game.

NukaCola

MD1990 wrote: »

Klopp made a big error with the Matip sub last night.
Bournemouth are good going forward but poor at the back it played into there hands.

When we went to 3 at the back we were basically comfortable though. I wouldn't have agreed with the sub either but it didn't drastically change the game IMO. Defence is poor, no way around it. Recruitment and tactic tweak is needed if you dont want to concede stupid poor goals.

brevity

Why Liverpool didn't go for Eriksen a few years ago will always puzzle me...

NukaCola

brevity wrote: »

Why Liverpool didn't go for Eriksen a few years ago will always puzzle me...

Absolutely nothing surprises me with our recruitment anymore. He went for 11M or something ridiculous also.

Nerdlingr

NukaCola wrote: »

He's played a huge role in our season. Half our league games. He may have been intended as a backup but he's played way more than I'd have expected. Not good enough IMO. Just because you dont make mistakes doesn't mean you have been effective.

He was bought as back up but because of the Matip AFCON situation he's obviously seen more game time. For me he was a grand signing for 4m. Provides good cover for the most part. I think if you dont make mistakes and youre a defender thats a great place to start from. He's played about 17 games for us this season and out of those 17 we've only lost 2. Just think people went over the top with the criticism last night.

corwill

brevity wrote: »

Why Liverpool didn't go for Eriksen a few years ago will always puzzle me...

Because he had a reputation as a flaky fancy dan, which put off a whole host of clubs aside from LFC, and which is why Spuds could pick him up for £12m. I think most thought that a low fee relative to the exposure he had, but then he struggled for consistency for a while after signing. He's developed into a crucial player for them and a class act, but that wasn't a foregone conclusion.

Harry Palmr

The main defence issue is the one that persists regardless of who is picked - lack of continuity! How often have any two played more than a couple of games in succession together?

NukaCola

Nerdlingr wrote: »

He was bought as back up but because of the Matip AFCON situation he's obviously seen more game time. For me he was a grand signing for 4m. Provides good cover for the most part. I think if you dont make mistakes and youre a defender thats a great place to start from. He's played about 17 games for us this season and out of those 17 we've only lost 2. Just think people went over the top with the criticism last night.

Hes a grand backup but played way more than he should have. Matip only missed one league game for the AFCON. We conceded 22 goals in the 14 games he started in the league. Lost 2 and drew 5. I'm not saying he's responsible directly but its not great tbh.

brevity

NukaCola wrote: »

Absolutely nothing surprises me with our recruitment anymore. He went for 11M or something ridiculous also.

I know Squawka isn't necessarily the best judge of players but i do believe that Eriksen would have fit Liverpool very well.

ricero

Trying to see the positives of a point gained on city after last night. I thought we were very comfortable last night when we switched to 3 at the back but one poor headed clearance and a shot into the box causes chaos and its 2 2.

Next two games will be very tough physical games. We need the lads to rise to the occasion and find their inner hard bastards. Cant have any passengers on the pitch when playing stoke or west brom away. Origi impressed me with his hold up play last night and his physicality, will be badly needed in the next two games.

LuckyLloyd

That was one in the eye for Klopp, bottom line. He will bear a significant amount of responsibility if we don't get CL. Responsibility may be the wrong word mind, as he's going to be responsible for a significant overall ppg improvement. The best way to say it is that he'll have plenty of room for improvement over the coming year. Lots of points left on the table, and the decision to keep a small tight busy squad has not panned out well.

MD1990

I would consider signing Adama Traore in the summer. Poor end product but playing in a poor side.
Under Klopp he could be something very special.

yourdeadwright

Our squad is painfully tin, I can't remember it being so bad, Our bench is always awful ,
I think we have a top4 11 but not a top 4 squad and it will cost us,
We seem to have a mental block against bad teams last night should have been cut and dry but you just knew we would give them a big chance at the end,
We badly need to beat Stoke id go as far as if we lose we wont get fourth ,

yourdeadwright

Just to point out we are 12 points up on where we where this time last year, and 3rd highest points at this stage in the last 13 years , so its not all doom and gloom

ricero

Carra made a good point last night about the lack of games Lovren and matip have actually played together this season. Says they need to toughen up. I think with lovren and matip playing together we have not lost this season

Umaro

The annoying thing about both goals is that you could feel both of them coming.

1st goal - you had Mignolet doing one of his stepovers, and getting his defense a bit rattled. Some sloppy passes around the back inviting Bournemouth pressure, and then the inevitable calamitous mistake. By the way, does anyone feel those Mignolet feints are now so clearly telegraphed that he's going to get caught out soon?

Missed chance - We didn't deal with the corner and they were presented a golden chance. Marc Pugh strikes the ball across the face of the goal from about 8 yards out. Such a gift - it was an incredible miss from that range.

2nd goal - We invite pressure by sitting back and making defensive subs. Again failing to deal with high balls and 2nd balls, we allow the ball to drop to feet in the box.


Bournemouth 2 shots on target. Bournemouth 2 goals. :rolleyes:


I'm just sickened today. We've handed the impetus back to Arsenal to go and win their next 2 games (vs Palace away, vs Boro away) whilst we arse around at Stoke and WBA.

yourdeadwright

Ye we've had a bad run of injuries compared to most the rest, Matip , Lovern, Lallana, Henderson , Couthino and now Mane (along with the African Nations ) have missed a decent amount of gems, Add in no left back and top striker we have done ok ,
We have 60 points now and that's what we finished on last year,

Bandana boy

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Just to point out we are 12 points up on where we where this time last year, and 3rd highest points at this stage in the last 13 years , so its not all doom and gloom

It is though pretty gloomy
If we were in a Spurs like place , where they are putting the teams below them to the sword but struggling against the big guys , then recruitment in the summer could close the gap and get you over that hump . Seeing progress year over year would let you believe that the curve will continue till you see a title .

But not being able to beat the relegation fodder in so many different games ,throwing away leads against cr@p sides multiple times , That suggest a bigger problem and I am not sure recruitment solves that issue , I mean we already have a substantially better team than these guys on the pitch and cant beat them .
I would worry that the mid table teams will watch the way to beat/get a result against us and this could become a real malaise next season

Harry Palmr

ricero wrote: »

Carra made a good point last night about the lack of games Lovren and matip have actually played together this season. Says they need to toughen up. I think with lovren and matip playing together we have not lost this season

Did Carra really say something so cliched Carra?

How does one toughen up, if you have a knock then you have a knock (unless it's Sturridge obviously). What's needed is depth.

Hard to credit Liverpool are third in the table isn't it? :pac:

brevity

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Ye we've had a bad run of injuries compared to most the rest, Matip , Lovern, Lallana, Henderson , Couthino and now Mane (along with the African Nations ) have missed a decent amount of gems, Add in no left back and top striker we have done ok ,
We have 60 points now and that's what we finished on last year,

Injuries will always happen, and they will definitely happen to a team that have so few first team players and play the way Klopp demands

The club need to account for that buy having suitable backups.

yourdeadwright

yourdeadwright wrote: »

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We have 60 points now and that's what we finished on last year,

We weren't overly happy with 60 points though and the EL etc were deemed to be the focus. This year all we've had since Jan in the PL....................and we weren't happy with 62 points the year before either

Vicxas

So, the general consensus is..... we're never happy.

Vicxas

Vicxas wrote: »

So, the general consensus is..... we're never happy.

I presume we'll all be happy with top4 and failing that we'll be happy to a lesser degree if we finish north of 70 points.

Milkers

I'm getting more and more annoyed that Klavan starts important games for Liverpool while Sakho stars for Crystal Palace.