Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

murpho999

Harry Palmr wrote: »

We have had two managers who simply do not much care about defending - it doesn't matter what platitudes are spoken by Klopp with regard to improving the defence everyone and his dog knows that he is far more interested in scoring goals than stopping them at the other end.

That's why last nights switch was so wrong-headed it spoke of someone going against his own instincts, it was like Pulis trying to secure three points by throwing on an extra striker! Only we know he never would do that. Trying to see out a game with a one goal margin for over half an hour with too many defenders and not enough attackers was just bizarre and I'd have said as much if Liverpool had won the game.

I don't agree with this.

Looking at Klopp's record at Dortmund and his two league winning seasons.

2011/12 25 League Goals conceded.
2010/11 22 League Goals conceded.


From that he clearly understands and encourages good defending.

I just think he knows now that his defence is weak in areas, both in terms of mentality and ability so he decided to focus more on attack until he has the issue sorted with better transfers.

Harry Palmr

Watching a bit of BVB back then I think it was more a case of penning the opposition back so much they didn't get the chance. There may be a particular weakness regarding dead balls with this Liverpool which accounts for the difference. How many goals have come from open play v set pieces I wonder.

Fitz*

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Watching a bit of BVB back then I think it was more a case of penning the opposition back so much they didn't get the chance. There may be a particular weakness regarding dead balls with this Liverpool which accounts for the difference. How many goals have come from open play v set pieces I wonder.

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Harry Palmr

That link doesn't work for me.

Fitz*

the link should be changed now, had the wrong year originally. Should get all the info from here anyways https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/6335/Stages/13796/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2016-2017

Harry Palmr

Spurs 11 goals from open play We can only dream of that.

Damien360

FitzShane wrote: »

the link should be changed now, had the wrong year originally. Should get all the info from here anyways https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/6335/Stages/13796/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2016-2017

11 of 24 from set pieces against us not including penalties. But what is really telling is the teams with similar number of goals from set pieces against. The lower half of the league and Everton. The better teams do not ship goals from setpieces.

shamrock55

NukaCola wrote: »

Instead of moaning about everything how about you state what you'd be happy with? Bear in mind its not the 80's and that reality exists.

Id be happy,if we didnt go to 5 at the back and take off coutinho and replace him with a cb at 2 -1 up with 20 mins to go at home to bournmouth,id be happy if we didnt have such a crap bench,id be happy if we didnt have a midfielder as a lb,id be happy if we had a keeper worth a ****,or if we didnt have to play with a 4th choice cb because we got rid of a first team cb to palace,id be happy if we didnt play with 2 defensive minded midfielders in the same team,id be happy if we had sorted these issues in the nearly 2 years our manager has been here,id be happy if we actually signed the players we are interested in instead of another team coming in under over us,
Thats just some of the basics that would make me a hell of alot happier

Damien360

shamrock55 wrote: »

Id be happy,if we didnt go to 5 at the back and take off coutinho and replace him with a cb at 2 -1 up with 20 mins to go at home to bournmouth,id be happy if we didnt have such a crap bench,id be happy if we didnt have a midfielder as a lb,id be happy if we had a keeper worth a ****,or if we didnt have to play with a 4th choice cb because we got rid of a first team cb to palace,id be happy if we didnt play with 2 defensive minded midfielders in the same team,id be happy if we had sorted these issues in the nearly 2 years our manager has been here,id be happy if we actually signed the players we are interested in instead of another team coming in under over us,
Thats just some of the basics that would make me a hell of alot happier

You'll be miserable until September at least so

MD1990

shamrock55 wrote: »

Id be happy,if we didnt go to 5 at the back and take off coutinho and replace him with a cb at 2 -1 up with 20 mins to go at home to bournmouth,id be happy if we didnt have such a crap bench,id be happy if we didnt have a midfielder as a lb,id be happy if we had a keeper worth a ****,or if we didnt have to play with a 4th choice cb because we got rid of a first team cb to palace,id be happy if we didnt play with 2 defensive minded midfielders in the same team,id be happy if we had sorted these issues in the nearly 2 years our manager has been here,id be happy if we actually signed the players we are interested in instead of another team coming in under over us,
Thats just some of the basics that would make me a hell of alot happier

Don't think you will ever be happy.

Osmosis Jones

How much would you bet he'd be giving out about Sakho if we kept and used him anyway.

jcsoulinger

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

How much would you bet he'd be giving out about Sakho if we kept and used him anyway.

Sakho is suddenly a world beater now he's unavailable, the man's totally unreliable, I can't wait till he's gone tbh.

eyerer

Harry Palmr wrote: »

That's why last nights switch was so wrong-headed it spoke of someone going against his own instincts, it was like Pulis trying to secure three points by throwing on an extra striker! Only we know he never would do that. Trying to see out a game with a one goal margin for over half an hour with too many defenders and not enough attackers was just bizarre and I'd have said as much if Liverpool had won the game.

It's clear to me its Klopps response to letting slip so many leads earlier in the season, wasn't it 3-1 against bournemouth away and liverpool still were attacking mad, and lost in the end. Imo it made some sense that klopp tried another approach. And from what I read earlier Coutinho needed to come off.

shamrock55

MD1990 wrote: »

Don't think you will ever be happy.

Ill be happy if we get the **** i stated sorted

shamrock55

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

How much would you bet he'd be giving out about Sakho if we kept and used him anyway.

The sakho thing is only one thing thats wrong,would you not agree with the rest of what i said or are you only ****ing nitpicking have some balls and admit im right

shamrock55

eyerer wrote: »

It's clear to me its Klopps response to letting slip so many leads earlier in the season, wasn't it 3-1 against bournemouth away and liverpool still were attacking mad, and lost in the end. Imo it made some sense that klopp tried another approach. And from what I read earlier Coutinho needed to come off.

Its clear to me klopp doest know what to do either way

MD1990

shamrock55 wrote: »

Ill be happy if we get the **** i stated sorted

Doubt it.

I think you would find something else to complain about or go on about how it wasn't like this in my day.

hefferboi

shamrock55 wrote: »

Its clear to me klopp doest know what to do either way

If you're not happy with Klopp you'll never be happy with any manager imo.

Klopp has his weakness and is rightly criticised for them but he's brought a new lease of life to the club which we haven't seen since Rafa bar one freak season under Rodgers. Would you swap Klopp for any realistic manager available at the minute?

Pyjamarama

The killer is they had one chance when we made the switch... one chance and they scored it. Like they always do...

Mignolet has been great the last while, he really has but the issue isn't really his ability at this stage. Its that when he makes a mess of something the entire team reacts really poorly to it. Regardless of if he gets away with it or not. You could see it last night, one dodgy moment from him and the entire team bar Coutinho look nervous for the next 5 mins (in which they scored).

His previous is too ingrained to allow him to actually rebuild his in squad image imo. Shame as he's been legit really good for most of the season.

marklazarcovic

hendo,lallana,mane.. serious losses at the worst possible time

Agent Coulson

Also the Stoke game probably has a bit more spice to it this weekend considering the transfer ban we got.

BorneTobyWilde

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I wish I could put my finger on why we concede so many goals

RainMakerToo

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Also the Stoke game probably has a bit more spice to it this weekend considering the transfer ban we got.

I'd be a bit worried about Charlie Adam putting in a Charlie Adam challenge and injuring somebody else at this stage

jeff bingham

Agent Coulson wrote:

Also the Stoke game probably has a bit more spice to it this weekend considering the transfer ban we got.

Maybe between the fans. Doubt too many of those millionaire footballers will give a ****e either way.
Disappointed with last night but that's this season all over. Just when you think it's about to click it falls down. Still you would probably have took the current situation at the start of the year.

Any update from the usual suspects?

Agent Coulson

RainMakerToo wrote: »

I'd be a bit worried about Charlie Adam putting in a Charlie Adam challenge and injuring somebody else at this stage

Ah Charlie will drunkenly trip over the ball and hurt himself more likely :P

https://twitter.com/NBCSportsSoccer/status/849367112841822208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fdeadspin.com%2Fajax%2Finset%2Fiframe%3Fid%3Dtwitter-849367112841822208%26autosize%3D1

BorneTobyWilde

Is that a thought bubble above his head.

He has a blank mind if it is

Osmosis Jones

shamrock55 wrote: »

have some balls and admit im right

:rolleyes:

PaddyWilliams

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Is that a thought bubble above his head.

He has a blank mind if it is

Thought the same thing myself, was wondering if someone had forgotten to put the words in!

rob316

missing Henderson too, he retains possession well and would of kept things ticking over at 2-1 last night. sadly we probably need to replace him this ankle injury he has isn't going away.

missed lallanas energy too we looked wrecked in midfield towards the end last night.

Kerrigooney

Augeo wrote: »

Any update from the usual suspects?

They're turning him into RoboMane. Next year is definitely our year.

shamrock55

MD1990 wrote: »

Doubt it.

I think you would find something else to complain about or go on about how it wasn't like this in my day.

Wrong again

MD1990

Augeo wrote: »

Any update from the usual suspects?

That's not Sturridge aka Mr Glass

BorneTobyWilde

BorneTobyWilde

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/ragnar-klavan-insists-liverpool-will-finish-in-top-four-a7671356.html

Vicxas

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/ragnar-klavan-insists-liverpool-will-finish-in-top-four-a7671356.html

Thats nice of him.

ERG89

Vicxas wrote: »

Thats nice of him.

If we do make it (as we are doing a fantastic job of keeping others in the race) it will have been in spite of his performances.

Sappy404

I just did a match predictor to see who gets top 4. It was City and Arsenal

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/help-decide-liverpools-journey-champions-12837668

Palace will have a big say in the run up it seems. Thankfully Agent Sakho can do us a few favours.

BoardsMember

Pyjamarama wrote: »

The killer is they had one chance when we made the switch... one chance and they scored it. Like they always do...

Mignolet has been great the last while, he really has but the issue isn't really his ability at this stage. Its that when he makes a mess of something the entire team reacts really poorly to it. Regardless of if he gets away with it or not. You could see it last night, one dodgy moment from him and the entire team bar Coutinho look nervous for the next 5 mins (in which they scored).

His previous is too ingrained to allow him to actually rebuild his in squad image imo. Shame as he's been legit really good for most of the season.

I'm not a fan of Mignolet, but the above is hardly his fault, i.e. that the whole team falls apart when he makes a mistake.

We lack leadership, pure and simple. All is fine when we are buzzing, and everything is going really well, but we look a sham at times when it starts to get tough.

rob316 wrote: »

missing Henderson too, he retains possession well and would of kept things ticking over at 2-1 last night. sadly we probably need to replace him this ankle injury he has isn't going away.

missed lallanas energy too we looked wrecked in midfield towards the end last night.

I'll let the docs decide based on the actual issue & prognosis. But without him we are missing one of our very few leaders, and it shows.

mightyreds

Sappy404 wrote: »

I just did a match predictor to see who gets top 4. It was City and Arsenal

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/help-decide-liverpools-journey-champions-12837668

Palace will have a big say in the run up it seems. Thankfully Agent Sakho can do us a few favours.

I did it there now being very generous to United/Arsenal and a little hard on us we finish 3rd, just looking down through the fixtures in there while doing the results, we will have to have a major meltdown to miss out.

rob316

mightyreds wrote: »

I did it there now being very generous to United/Arsenal and a little hard on us we finish 3rd, just looking down through the fixtures in there while doing the results, we will have to have a major meltdown to miss out.

Its pointless and impossible to predict our results we should be hammering most of the teams on paper but it all depends on what Liverpool turn up. The next 2 will tell a lot Stoke and WBA away, anything less than 4 points and the game is up.

Crystal Palace and Leicester play a huge part in fixtures, United are absolutely ****ed there run in is horrible.

mightyreds

mightyreds wrote: »

I........... we will have to have a major meltdown to miss out.

By that do you mean 1.5 ish ppg? Because we're that for the last 3 months in the PL unfortunately ..........

Nerdlingr

Sappy404 wrote: »

I just did a match predictor to see who gets top 4. It was City and Arsenal

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/help-decide-liverpools-journey-champions-12837668

Palace will have a big say in the run up it seems. Thankfully Agent Sakho can do us a few favours.

I have us in fourth on 75 points , 3 ahead of Arsenal and 7 behind city!! :cool:

BullBlackNova

I had spurs in second, city third and arsenal fourth.

Our results are hard to predict. As everyone says, there's games in there that should be won but who knows how we will perform on the day.

What seems more certain is that Spurs will continue to perform and that Citys upturn in form will keep them going strong.

I think United will remain hard to beat but will drop some points both as a result of their tough fixture list and their European football and I reckon that arsenal will do well in their next four or five games because that's what arsenal do. Whether they keep that going until the end of the season remains to be seen and it means that we will have to put some teams away to claim fourth place.

In my predicted table we were a point behind arsenal in fifth. Keep the lead against Bournemouth and we would have made it... I reckon whatever way it falls, it will be a small margin so we cannot afford to let chances like that slip away again.

Alonso77

As we never tend to do things the easy way, it could be a case of needing a result on the last day - shades of Bradford away game 99/00 season where we missed out on champs LG on last day. The pain ....

Colemania

Nerdlingr wrote: »

I have us in fourth on 75 points , 3 ahead of Arsenal and 7 behind city!! :cool:

Exact same as myself. Had united about 14 points off 4th

Nerdlingr

Nerdlingr wrote: »

........ fourth on 75 points , 3 ahead of Arsenal...............

I reckon you aren't far wrong, 73 points will quite likely get fourth
Hopefully it's us ( we :pac: )

Iused2likebusts

rob316 wrote: »

Its pointless and impossible to predict our results we should be hammering most of the teams on paper but it all depends on what Liverpool turn up. The next 2 will tell a lot Stoke and WBA away, anything less than 4 points and the game is up.

Crystal Palace and Leicester play a huge part in fixtures, United are absolutely ****ed there run in is horrible.

3 pts from the next two will be fine. They are the hardest remaining fixtures we have.

Iused2likebusts

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

3 pts from the next two will be fine. They are the hardest remaining fixtures we have.

We be on 63 pts than with 5 game left, could well be not too far at all ahead of Utd and/are Arsenal.

I wouldn't fancy our team/squad to get 10 pts+ from 5 games if they actually had to, to be honest, I reckon they'd calve under the pressure.

5starpool

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

3 pts from the next two will be fine. They are the hardest remaining fixtures we have.

Watford away is another classic Liverpool bad match too.