Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

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Well Bollox to that. Not fúcking good enough. If we don't get top four this season then questions have to be asked of Klopp.

ricero

Jovanni Rhythmic Ladybug wrote: »

Well Bollox to that. Not fúcking good enough. If we don't get top four this season then questions have to be asked of Klopp.

Ah jasus.

We should get rid and bring in big sam

niallo27

SlickRic wrote: »

Easiest game Palace will have all f?cking rest of the season.

That game exposed every deficiency we have.

Reliant on Coutinho magic.
Can't defend set pieces.
Zero squad depth.
Klopp seemingly incapable of coming up with anything different when up against this sort of team.

Honestly, pathetic.

You could copy and paste reaction to every draw/defeat we've had against this style this season. Nothing has changed.

Frustrating as hell.

Bit harsh there was enough clear cut openings to win the game. Can missed a sitter in the first half. Cout should have gone down. Firminho flashed one across the box.

fyfe79

Blondie919 wrote: »

I hate days like this. Seeing your county get hammered in a final followed by your club go down at home to a hated manager. Sucks monkey balls!

Yep - Liverpool, Tipp and Munster all shat the bed, in that order of importance, for me this weekend. Utd winning away to Burnley at a canter was the cherry on top.

niallo27

Seeing tipp hammered was the only tiny thing I can take from the weekend.

Tipsy McSwagger

SlickRic wrote: »

Easiest game Palace will have all fúcking rest of the season.

That game exposed every deficiency we have.

Reliant on Coutinho magic.
Can't defend set pieces.
Zero squad depth.
Klopp seemingly incapable of coming up with anything different when up against this sort of team.

Honestly, pathetic.

You could copy and paste reaction to every draw/defeat we've had against this style this season. Nothing has changed.

Frustrating as hell.

Exactly, and to be honest I'm so used to it now that I don't really care anymore.

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ricero wrote: »

Ah jasus.

We should get rid and bring in big sam

Your hyperbole is well just that. This is his second season. If we do not get Champions League this year for the second straight year then questions about him have to be asked.

Same as it would be for any other Liverpool manager.

Osmosis Jones

The phrase is always used, but what are these questions that need asking? Because I haven't a clue.

Iused2likebusts

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

If we can win 3 of our 4 remaining games we'll be on 75 points. In order for United to achieve that they'll need to win 4 of their remaining 6 games, which include City, Arsenal, Spurs and Southampton all away from home.

Ye I reckon 75 pts will do it whether we can get to 75 pts is another thing.

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Osmosis Jones wrote: »

The phrase is always used, but what are these questions that need asking? Because I haven't a clue.

Jesus. Are you really that clueless?

Is he the right manager for Liverpool is the question.

Forget all this fanboy crap of Klopp being a great guy which he undoubtedly is. If we don't get CL for the second year in a row under him that is simply not good enough, for any Liverpool manager.

Osmosis Jones

Jovanni Rhythmic Ladybug wrote: »

Jesus. Are you really that clueless?

Less of the hostility there.

Jovanni Rhythmic Ladybug wrote: »

Is he the right manager for Liverpool is the question.

Yes he is, or he's at least as good as we're going to get, in fact I'd say we're lucky to have gotten him. When Rodgers was sacked half of us here assumed it'd be the likes of Sean Dyche on the way. He has his flaws, if he was perfect he wouldn't be at Liverpool, but there is no manager that could currently replace him and do as good a job.

Iused2likebusts

Jovanni Rhythmic Ladybug wrote: »

Jesus. Are you really that clueless?

Is he the right manager for Liverpool is the question.

Forget all this fanboy crap of Klopp being a great guy which he undoubtedly is. If we don't get CL for the second year in a row under him that is simply not good enough, for any Liverpool manager.

I wouldn't have had any expectation on him getting cl last year. We still have problems but the team has definetly progressed this year.

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Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Less of the hostility there.



Yes he is, or he's at least as good as we're going to get, in fact I'd say we're lucky to have gotten him. When Rodgers was sacked half of us here assumed it'd be the likes of Sean Dyche on the way. He has his flaws, if he was perfect he wouldn't be at Liverpool, but there is no manager that could currently replace him and do as good a job.

Ridiculous.

Yes we were lucky to get him but we are a club based on trophies and playing in the Champions League. And if he can't provide either of them then it's bye bye and on to the next manager. Same as it ever was.

citytillidie

RIP to Zlatan and Rojo, remember city players were destroyed for the same thing earlier this season

J Mysterio

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Also Milner's not a left back, the charade has gone on long enough, having him and Lovren playing on the same side together is suicide. We're thin in midfield right now, get Milner back in the middle and stick Moreno/TAA/Gomez out there at the very least.

Milner is not good in CM. He is a winger.

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Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Less of the hostility there.

In fairness it was a pretty stupid question.

Osmosis Jones

J Mysterio wrote: »

Milner is not good in CM. He is a winger.

Then we can stick him out wide and bring Coutinho back into the middle. We have options, it's frustrating that they're not being used.

Turtyturd

citytillidie wrote: »

RIP to Zlatan and Rojo, remember city players were destroyed for the same thing earlier this season

Never forget.

Osmosis Jones

Jovanni Rhythmic Ladybug wrote: »

In fairness it was a pretty stupid question.

Sorry pal, I'll run my posts by you from now on.

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citytillidie wrote: »

RIP to Zlatan and Rojo, remember city players were destroyed for the same thing earlier this season

Wtf has this got to do with Liverpool?

Blondie919

niallo27 wrote: »

Seeing tipp hammered was the only tiny thing I can take from the weekend.

Booo

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Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Sorry pal, I'll run my posts by you from now on.

Please dont.

citytillidie

Jovanni Rhythmic Ladybug wrote: »

Wtf has this got to do with Liverpool?

Just trying to lighten the mood, also takes away their Suarez tshirt upper hand they pull out every now and then

Utopia Parkway

Liverpool have made a profit in every transfer window since Klopp arrived at the club. To be honest he's doing well to have us where he is given the competition he's up against. The squad is paper thin after a couple of injuries. I think he gambled having a small squad this season with no European football but it's caught up with us now with 3 important players out injured during the run-in.

noodler

Bit pathetic some having a go at Sakho tbh.


I don't think we'll do it. I didn't expect us to win all our remaining games but need those three points.

Utd won't win them all but they won't have to.

SteM

citytillidie wrote: »

Just trying to lighten the mood, also takes away their Suarez tshirt upper hand they pull out every now and then

The one Liverpool wore when he bit another footballer? Yeah, they're the same thing alright.

martyos121

Jovanni Rhythmic Ladybug wrote: »

Ridiculous.

Yes we were lucky to get him but we are a club based on trophies and playing in the Champions League. And if he can't provide either of them then it's bye bye and on to the next manager. Same as it ever was.

You haven't a clue what Klopp is about then, do you? He's not a "get in, get trophies, get out" manager and never has been. He's a project manager, if we finished tenth this season he'd still be our manager next season, because it's a long term project to get us back to the top table of England and hopefully Europe. He did absolutely nothing at Dortmund until his third season, when the solid foundation was finally laid, and then he won two league titles in a one team league with a bunch of kids. There's absolutely no reason he can't build an even stronger foundation under our club, in time.

With our squad it was never going to be a quick fix, and the trophy argument is pointless because we came closer to winning a trophy twice with Klopp in his first few months than we did in Rafa's last three seasons at the club, and nobody called for his head. Basically, the points you're making are absolute nonsense.

Osmosis Jones

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Liverpool have made a profit in every transfer window since Klopp arrived at the club. To be honest he's doing well to have us where he is given the competition he's up against. The squad is paper thin after a couple of injuries. I think he gambled having a small squad this season with no European football but it's caught up with us now with 3 important players out injured during the run-in.

Every window since he arrived at the club is only 3. His first January he was only at the club a couple of months and hadn't enough time to know what was badly needed. I think the work he got done in the summer was fantastic and every starting player he brought in bar Karius has been a star, of course there was some shortcomings such as not bringing in a LB but it was a good window I'd say. The only real misstep is the January just gone, we should have galvanised then and we didn't.

fyfe79

niallo27 wrote: »

Seeing tipp hammered was the only tiny thing I can take from the weekend.

Ah, I didn't want to win it anyway

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martyos121 wrote: »

You haven't a clue what Klopp is about then, do you? He's not a "get in, get trophies, get out" manager and never has been. He's a project manager, if we finished tenth this season he'd still be our manager next season, because it's a long term project to get us back to the top table of England and hopefully Europe. He did absolutely nothing at Dortmund until his third season, when the solid foundation was finally laid, and then he won two league titles in a one team league with a bunch of kids. There's absolutely no reason he can't build an even stronger foundation under our club, in time.

With our squad it was never going to be a quick fix, and the trophy argument is pointless because we came closer to winning a trophy twice with Klopp in his first few months than we did in Rafa's last three seasons at the club, and nobody called for his head. Basically, the points you're making are absolute nonsense.

Your post is nonsense. The simple fact is any Liverpool managers remit when he joins is trophies and CL qualification. If he doesn't provide either then he will be a failure. Quit your plan crap. You mentioned Rafa, he won us the CL in his first couple of years managing us which gave him freedom to implement a plan. Even Rodgers who was vilified by many in here got us into the CL. Klopp losing finals and missing out on top four does not give him the years to put his own plan in to action.

Take off your Klopp fanboy jacket and open your eyes.

niallo27

SteM wrote: »

The one Liverpool wore when he bit another footballer? Yeah, they're the same thing alright.

It wasn't after he bit a player.

martyos121

Jovanni Rhythmic Ladybug wrote: »

Your post is nonsense. The simple fact is any Liverpool managers remit when he joins is trophies and CL qualification. If he doesn't provide either then he will be a failure. Quit your plan crap. You mentioned Rafa, he won us the CL in his first couple of years managing us which gave him freedom to implement a plan. Even Rodgers who was vilified by many in here got us into the CL. Klopp losing finals and missing out on top four does not give him the years to put his own plan in to action.

Take off your Klopp fanboy jacket and open your eyes.

It's actually painful how ignorant you are, it really is. How the fcuk is any manager meant to win trophies with the squad he inherited? Klopp isn't a bloody miracle worker ffs, expecting anything from him in his first season would be utter stupidity, and at the start of this season it'd be highly optimistic at best. He wasn't appointed to win a few trophies in the space of three or four years, he was appointed to build us back up from the mess we were and aim to reap the rewards on the back end of his contract, that wasn't a secret to anyone (except you it seems, who doesn't seem to have any clue what kind of manager he is or how he achieved what he did at Dortmund).

If you're asking me to open my eyes, you must be Stevie fcuking Wonder mate.

SteM

niallo27 wrote: »

It wasn't after he bit a player.

Sorry, my mistake. Was it after the racism incident then ?

Osmosis Jones

Also Rodgers wasn't sacked because he failed to win us trophies, he was sacked because he took a team who had just finished 2nd in the league and ran them into the ground. Every decision he made in his final 18 months at Anfield was a mistake.

Klopp has had blunders, sure, but we're looking far better now than we were when he took over.

niallo27

SteM wrote: »

Sorry, my mistake. Was it after the racism incident then ?

Alleged racism yes.

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martyos121 wrote: »

It's actually painful how ignorant you are, it really is. How the fcuk is any manager meant to win trophies with the squad he inherited? Klopp isn't a bloody miracle worker ffs, expecting anything from him in his first season would be utter stupidity, and at the start of this season it'd be highly optimistic at best. He wasn't appointed to win a few trophies in the space of three or four years, he was appointed to build us back up from the mess we were and aim to reap the rewards on the back end of his contract, that wasn't a secret to anyone (except you it seems, who doesn't seem to have any clue what kind of manager he is or how he achieved what he did at Dortmund).

If you're asking me to open my eyes, you must be Stevie fcuking Wonder mate.

Are you a bit slow bud. If you actually think like you just said that he wasn't appointed to win trophies in his first 3 or 4 years then it is you who is utterly clueless, we are not West Brom. And tbh I stopped reading your moronic post after that ridiculous statement.

PropJoe10

martyos121 wrote: »

It's actually painful how ignorant you are, it really is. How the fcuk is any manager meant to win trophies with the squad he inherited? Klopp isn't a bloody miracle worker ffs, expecting anything from him in his first season would be utter stupidity, and at the start of this season it'd be highly optimistic at best. He wasn't appointed to win a few trophies in the space of three or four years, he was appointed to build us back up from the mess we were and aim to reap the rewards on the back end of his contract, that wasn't a secret to anyone (except you it seems, who doesn't seem to have any clue what kind of manager he is or how he achieved what he did at Dortmund).

If you're asking me to open my eyes, you must be Stevie fcuking Wonder mate.

I wouldn't get upset by it. Welcome to the world of the modern football fan. I would say yer man is about 9 years old max.

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PropJoe10 wrote: »

I wouldn't get upset by it. Welcome to the world of the modern football fan. I would say yer man is about 9 years old max.

Great arguement fella. Point well made. Wait I can play this game too. I'd say you are about 8. Am I doing it right?

Osmosis Jones

Jovanni Rhythmic Ladybug wrote: »

Are you a bit slow bud. If you actually think like you just said that he wasn't appointed to win trophies in his first 3 or 4 years then it is you who is utterly clueless, we are not West Brom. And tbh I stopped reading your moronic post after that ridiculous statement.

Jovanni Rhythmic Ladybug wrote: »

Your post is nonsense. The simple fact is any Liverpool managers remit when he joins is trophies and CL qualification. If he doesn't provide either then he will be a failure. Quit your plan crap. You mentioned Rafa, he won us the CL in his first couple of years managing us which gave him freedom to implement a plan. Even Rodgers who was vilified by many in here got us into the CL. Klopp losing finals and missing out on top four does not give him the years to put his own plan in to action.

Take off your Klopp fanboy jacket and open your eyes.

Jovanni Rhythmic Ladybug wrote: »

In fairness it was a pretty stupid question.

Jovanni Rhythmic Ladybug wrote: »

Jesus. Are you really that clueless?

Is he the right manager for Liverpool is the question.

Forget all this fanboy crap of Klopp being a great guy which he undoubtedly is. If we don't get CL for the second year in a row under him that is simply not good enough, for any Liverpool manager.

And to all that I say...

Jovanni Rhythmic Ladybug wrote: »

Come on lads no need for the in fighting.

martyos121

Jovanni Rhythmic Ladybug wrote: »

Are you a bit slow bud. If you actually think like you just said that he wasn't appointed to win trophies in his first 3 or 4 years then it is you who is utterly clueless, we are not West Brom. And tbh I stopped reading your moronic post after that ridiculous statement.

Welcome back into the room dumb dumb.

You've run out of valid points to make (well you never really had any to start with to be honest) so you resort to name calling and insults? Such an angry little man you are, it's hilarious.

Start talking football and argue your points properly or jog on, you're not going to bait me into a yellow card which seems to be your intention.

martingriff

Jovanni Rhythmic Ladybug wrote: »

Are you a bit slow bud. If you actually think like you just said that he wasn't appointed to win trophies in his first 3 or 4 years then it is you who is utterly clueless, we are not West Brom. And tbh I stopped reading your moronic post after that ridiculous statement.

Your right we are not West Brom however we ain't Chelsea Tottenham or City either. The 1 thing the cub does well most of the time is they give there managers time if they think they are worth is and Klopp is worth it. They knew it would take a couple of years and there is no way he will be fired this summer. There is certainly stuff he needs to address and quickly.

tinpib

It seems to be all about instant gratification.

90% or more of transfer business is done in the summer. Did any of the top 6 bring in anyone of note in January this year? I don't think so. Jesus was bought last summer by City.

The squad you have on September 1st is pretty much the squad you have until June 1st.

But yet lose a game and waiting until June 1st just simply isn't good enough for people.

We will get to the end of the season, and please God we will have champs league football to attract good players. I'm certain FSG will loosen the purse strings based on that and even if we don't qualify we don't have the extra expense of getting the stand built.

Klopp will certainly strengthen in the summer, but some people want it done now and that players should magically appear in January or in April.

Some people have no patience.

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Osmosis Jones wrote: »

And to all that I say...

Would you like me to go back thru your post history?

I wouldn't be arsed to be honest though cus I'm not that much of a child.

Osmosis Jones

Jovanni Rhythmic Ladybug wrote: »

Would you like me to go back thru your post history?

I wouldn't be arsed to be honest though cus I'm not that much of a child.

Literally all of those posts bar one are on the last two or three pages of this thread.

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martyos121 wrote: »

You've run out of valid points to make (well you never really had any to start with to be honest) so you resort to name calling and insults? Such an angry little man you are, it's hilarious.

Start talking football and argue your points properly or jog on, you're not going to bait me into a yellow card which seems to be your intention.

Are you actually that un self aware. You have literally just done what you accused me of.

Lighten up fella. You're coming across as petty. I'm here to talk about football.

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Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Literally all of those posts bar one are on the last two or three pages of this thread.

Ok let me break it down for you cus you seem to be having trouble understanding.

You still went thru my post history.

Kerrigooney

Someone's been on the sherry again.

noodler

It's not like we just lost another final in fairness.

We are talking about throwing away a fourth place finish despite having everything going for us.

I'm not sure it being Klopp's second season has much to do with that. A left back, striker, or even making up with Sakho might have made this alot easier than it is turning out to be.

We might not get another chance like this next season. If that turns out to be the case then we'll be three years into the plan or whatever and no closer.

The balls have to be found to see this out. The manager takes the blame for the shocking state of the squad but nowt can be done about that now so we need to learn how to grind again.

Tbh, I thought we'd learned in the last two games.

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Kerrigooney wrote: »

Someone's been on the sherry again.

No need to tell us about your drinking habits bud.

#kerrilikeshissherri

Osmosis Jones

Jovanni Rhythmic Ladybug wrote: »

I'm here to talk about football.

How about you start exhibiting that then? You've been nothing but hostile since joining the thread, you were booked on your first day ffs.

You say you want to talk football but any time someone responds to you you go back to name calling.