Thinking of getting an EV - couple of questions

unkel

No need for the argument here lads, I don't think. Might be wrong here, but from what I'm reading between the lines, Shefwedfan is about to do a deal on a new Leaf and he doesn't (yet) want to disclose the details. Fair enough. And he is hinting that he is getting a very good deal, which I find entirely possible / plausible, I've guessed and mentioned that those deals were probably available. Let's just wait till all is revealed...

The one mistake some people on here seem to make is to compare second hand UK prices landed over here directly to list prices here in Ireland new or second hand. The first ones are nearly set in stone, the latter ones far from it. People have questioned me numerous times about deals I have got over the years for various items, almost calling me a lier at times. But deals are out there and if you can sniff them out and negotiate hard at the right time, some savage deals can be had. I'm kinda excited for Shefwedfan that he might be getting himself a good deal here

goz83

Sooooo, some nice weather for EV drivin' out there eh?

Calahonda52

This is the i-net so anyone can post whatever they like, does anybody actually believe this stuff, or even care.?
A lot of folk know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

Shefwedfan

unkel wrote: »

No need for the argument here lads, I don't think.

I might be a lady:P

unkel

Calahonda52 wrote: »

This is the i-net so anyone can post whatever they like, does anybody actually believe this stuff, or even care.?

I'd like to think people generally post the truth. And that people help each other out on this forum. And yes, I care.

unknownlegend

Once again thanks for the various bits of discussion. There's a lot of options and avenues worth exploring that I hadn't considered so I am grateful. In a sense it's exciting to see this is a vibrant community with plenty of opinions and debate.

I will report back whichever way I go over the coming months. Hopefully people can learn from this and use it to join the EV community. I was chatting with the OH earlier and we reckon >80% of our contemporaries could switch to EV in the morning with relative ease.

Similarly shefwedfan I'll be curious to hear more about your deal when it closes :-)

As I'm pieceing together my prices I would like to get a quote or two for the proper home charging unit so again if anyone could recommend a contact for this I'd be obliged. I'll keep an eye on other threads which also has good info. Maybe some of this could be centralised as a how-to. Thanks.

slave1

Bang on, helping each other out is what's it all about, I've gleamed a lot of info here and had direct questions answered so I've shared all my car costs, it's a two way street, you got to give back

Shefwedfan

Calahonda52 wrote: »

This is the i-net so anyone can post whatever they like, does anybody actually believe this stuff, or even care.?
A lot of folk know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

It's a forum and your anonymous so why bother lying

I would hope that people would tell the truth

Shefwedfan

unknownlegend wrote: »

Similarly shefwedfan I'll be curious to hear more about your deal when it closes :-)
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PM if you want more details

Test drive this weekend so hope to have made decision on Monday, I think seller will be expecting it anyway!!

unkel

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I might be a lady:P

Really?

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Went home and picked up Misses plus kids

Gumbo

unkel wrote: »

Really?

Caitlyn, is that you???

DrPhilG

unkel wrote: »

Really?

OMG did you just assume his/her gender???

Lol

cros13

unknownlegend wrote: »

As I'm pieceing together my prices I would like to get a quote or two for the proper home charging unit so again if anyone could recommend a contact for this I'd be obliged.

Cheapest way to do this is purchase the chargepoint yourself and have your local electrician install it. It's exactly the same work as an outside socket (which is effectively what it is) with just a larger cable and MCB. It's not a specialist job at all (and the electrician might need that explained if they are unfamiliar).

Water John

For those of you who feel electric cars haven't enough power, there is anew John Deere option.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/video-john-deeres-fully-electric-tractor-project-update/

130kW/174HP.

Looks like more ETs coming to the market.

punisher5112

Really considering getting a leaf but not 100% sure if would suit.

On average on road at least 5 to 6 days mainly 5.

Wicklow town to Ballinteer and back and that journey could be twice in the one day.

I would have access to charge at home but not at work but would have access at family home also when over that way so granny cable would do for them situations.

Most driving is on n11 and motorway.

I would have to try and get a credit union loan to be able to fund it and I'm thinking possibly sourcing from the UK.

Am I mad?

KCross

punisher5112 wrote: »

Really considering getting a leaf but not 100% sure if would suit.

On average on road at least 5 to 6 days mainly 5.

Wicklow town to Ballinteer and back and that journey could be twice in the one day.

I would have access to charge at home but not at work but would have access at family home also when over that way so granny cable would do for them situations.

Most driving is on n11 and motorway.

I would have to try and get a credit union loan to be able to fund it and I'm thinking possibly sourcing from the UK.

Am I mad?

What is your budget?
What is the most km you would regularly do in a day? That will be the key decider on whether it will suit you or not and which car is suitable.

punisher5112

KCross wrote: »

What is your budget?
What is the most km you would regularly do in a day? That will be the key decider on whether it will suit you or not and which car is suitable.

Thinking about in old school miles its about 25miles there and another 25 back.
Could do that run twice in the day so realistic I could do on some days 100 miles but could be less.

Budget I'm guessing around €7k loan from credit union.

KCross

punisher5112 wrote: »

Thinking about in old school miles its about 25miles there and another 25 back.
Could do that run twice in the day so realistic I could do on some days 100 miles but could be less.

Budget I'm guessing around €7k loan from credit union.

So 80km in a normal day is within range. The day you need to do that trip twice will require you to charge so a car that can charge at 6.6kW at home will be important for you. They are harder to find.

Just to clarify, the day you do the trip twice, is the car sitting at home for 2-3hrs between trips that would allow you to charge it at home?

The €7k budget is probably too light. That would only get you a 5+ year old leaf which doesn't have as good a battery as the 132 and later cars. I think you'll need to stretch the budget a bit to buy a 132 or later with 6.6kW on board charger. If you can do that it would suit you and with that mileage will save you a fortune in fuel so run the numbers and build in the fuel savings into your budget. The loan might get bigger but you'll be spending less per week on fuel.

punisher5112

KCross wrote: »

So 80km in a normal day is within range. The day you need to do that trip twice will require you to charge so a car that can charge at 6.6kW at home will be important for you. They are harder to find.

Just to clarify, the day you do the trip twice, is the car sitting at home for 2-3hrs between trips that would allow you to charge it at home?

The €7k budget is probably too light. That would only get you a 5+ year old leaf which doesn't have as good a battery as the 132 and later cars. I think you'll need to stretch the budget a bit to buy a 132 or later with 6.6kW on board charger. If you can do that it would suit you and with that mileage will save you a fortune in fuel so run the numbers and build in the fuel savings into your budget. The loan might get bigger but you'll be spending less per week on fuel.

Hi thanks for the insight.

I see what you mean about budget.
Yes if doing trip twice would get car on charge also I'm sure could use the fast charge at apple green on n11 at times especially if nobody using it.

Running a 2 litre petrol lucky to get on average between 30 - 35 mpg.
€710 tax

KCross

punisher5112 wrote: »

Hi thanks for the insight.

I see what you mean about budget.
Yes if doing trip twice would get car on charge also I'm sure could use the fast charge at apple green on n11 at times especially if nobody using it.

Running a 2 litre petrol lucky to get on average between 30 - 35 mpg.
€710 tax

It's a lot better to plan for not using the public chargers. They can let you down (queuing, out of service) and it's a waste of your time. A lot better to top up at home if it suits. Hence the 6.6kW charger which will bring you back up to 100% in 2-3hrs after you have done the first trip.

A standard 3.3kW car will take twice that.

punisher5112

KCross wrote: »

It's a lot better to plan for not using the public chargers. They can let you down (queuing, out of service) and it's a waste of your time. A lot better to top up at home if it suits. Hence the 6.6kW charger which will bring you back up to 100% in 2-3hrs after you have done the first trip.

A standard 3.3kW car will take twice that.

Cool thanks for the tip.

I would still have access to another car for other uses I'm just wanting to cut down on costs as its so high and filling up every 5 days at over€70

Gumbo

From my Glasgow- belfast-Dublin run when I bought mine, I worked out at about 1km per 1% when at 100-110kmh.

I'm starting to ignore the estimated range remaining and work solely on the battery % to determine if I need to charge or not and I only have the car since Thursday! You get used to it very quickly.

Little things like, I had to go the post office and the shops yesterday. There's a rapid charger 5 mins from the 2 shops. So I stuck it on charge and went the shops. Left a note on the dash telling anyone that needs it to unplug me if required and plug me back in when leaving. Left my number there too on a page on the dash.

So by doing something I had to do anyway (shops) I just adjusted where I parked and gained a 30 mins rapid charge for free.

Cheapist 6.6kw version is currently in Limerick for €11,850. I'd say you would get it for €11,200

KCross

kceire wrote: »

From my Glasgow- belfast-Dublin run when I bought mine, I worked out at about 1km per 1% when at 100-110kmh.

I'm starting to ignore the estimated range remaining and work solely on the battery % to determine if I need to charge or not and I only have the car since Thursday! You get used to it very quickly.

That's exactly how I work it out too. I never look at the GOM.

Gumbo

KCross wrote: »

That's exactly how I work it out too. I never look at the GOM.

The seller recommended it to me also. I didn't see where he was coming from until I start driving it.

unknownlegend

punisher5112 wrote: »

Really considering getting a leaf but not 100% sure if would suit.

On average on road at least 5 to 6 days mainly 5.

Wicklow town to Ballinteer and back and that journey could be twice in the one day.

I would have access to charge at home but not at work but would have access at family home also when over that way so granny cable would do for them situations.

Most driving is on n11 and motorway.

I would have to try and get a credit union loan to be able to fund it and I'm thinking possibly sourcing from the UK.

Am I mad?

Hi there,

I mentioned at the outset I had crunched a few numbers, so i'll upload my excel sheet so you can run your own numbers through it.

it's very basic, thrown together in a few minutes, has a bunch of assumptions which might not fit for you etc. but it could show you what your outgoings on an EV vs. ICE would run to over a couple of years. It certainly helped me decide!

you may need to factor in the cost of finance (i'm going with cash), but if that's required whether you're going ICE or EV, for simplicity you could leave it out.

Thanks.

Bif

Hi Folks. I am thinking of buying a Leaf. I am told it is 1.5 gen. I have a 100 km (50 each way) commute. What is the worst range I can expect? The battery, I am told, is still at 100% capacity.

KCross

Bif wrote: »

Hi Folks. I am thinking of buying a Leaf. I am told it is 1.5 gen. I have a 100 km (50 each way) commute. What is the worst range I can expect? The battery, I am told, is still at 100% capacity.

What kind of roads is your commute? Motorway or National roads or a mix and what is the mix?

Is it a 24kWh or a 30kWh Leaf?

The 24kWh will struggle to meet your requirements unless you have access to work charging.

Bif

KCross wrote: »

What kind of roads is your commute? Motorway or National roads or a mix and what is the mix? 80% National reasonably flat. 20% side roads (80kph limit).

Is it a 24kWh or a 30kWh Leaf? 24kwh

The 24kWh will struggle to meet your requirements unless you have access to work charging.

What distance can I expect?

Thanks.

KCross

Should manage it OK in the summer without stopping. In winter you will have to restrict speed to make sure you make it and even then it might struggle.

Realistically it would be alot of range anxiety I'd say. You need work charging or a 30kWh Leaf to make it all year round.

Bif

KCross wrote: »

Should manage it OK in the summer without stopping. In winter you will have to restrict speed to make sure you make it and even then it might struggle.

Realistically it would be alot of range anxiety I'd say. You need work charging or a 30kWh Leaf to make it all year round.

Cheers Kcross. Not sure about work. How much for a used 30kwh, SVE spec with 6.6 charging? Probably out of my budget TBH.

KCross

Bif wrote: »

Cheers Kcross. Not sure about work. How much for a used 30kwh, SVE spec with 6.6 charging? Probably out of my budget TBH.

They only came out in 161 so not cheap. Somewhere between €17-€20k depending on whether you go to the UK or not to buy it.

If you can get work charging you are sorted. Ask, they can only say no. Even if they gave you access to an outdoor 3 pin socket it would do. You'd get enough energy in the 8hrs to make it home.

The main thing is not to HAVE to use the public chargers everyday. That would just be a PITA and a waste of your time.

Pkiernan

KCross wrote: »

What kind of roads is your commute? Motorway or National roads or a mix and what is the mix?

Is it a 24kWh or a 30kWh Leaf?

The 24kWh will struggle to meet your requirements unless you have access to work charging.

His daily commute is just 60 miles total.
If a leaf can't do that between charges I'd be very surprised.

KCross

Pkiernan wrote: »

His daily commute is just 60 miles total.
If a leaf can't do that between charges I'd be very surprised.

It can make it but in winter it would be tight. I dont think it would be wise to recommend a car that will have them sitting at the edge of their seat in winter wondering if they can get home. You really need some extra capacity to allow stress free driving, allow for some battery degradation and if they decided to go out for lunch or detour in some way..... imo, its just too tight.

In a 30kWh, no problem.

Pkiernan

A car that can't go for 60 miles without being charged is nothing but a joke.

KCross

Pkiernan wrote: »

A car that can't go for 60 miles without being charged is nothing but a joke.

Fair enough. Laugh away!

Its a perfectly acceptable car that saves people thousands if driven within its range. Most people dont need 60 miles. Its horses for courses.

Pkiernan

Nothing funny. It's very disappointing, and to be honest it's a bit shocking that someone would think this would be acceptable.

Nissan always advertised 160 km range.
2/3 of this is terrible.

peposhi

Pkiernan wrote: »

Nothing funny. It's very disappointing, and to be honest it's a bit shocking that someone would think this would be acceptable.

Nissan always advertised 160 km range.
2/3 of this is terrible.

Well, if you love hypermiling you may well get into the promised by ANY ICE car manufacturer fuel consumption levels. If you floor your Nissan Micra you may well get into the 9/100 l/km.
And where are you getting those 160 km promised range?!?
Get a Leaf/Zoe/Ioniq for a test drive and see how this fits your daily commute. If it does not, great, plenty of choice out there with range of 500km a tank... at 5 times the cost before you even add your regular service and etc...

isnottheword

Pkiernan wrote: »

Nothing funny. It's very disappointing, and to be honest it's a bit shocking that someone would think this would be acceptable.

Nissan always advertised 160 km range.
2/3 of this is terrible.

If you adapt early, you may have to put up with downsides. You have to weigh up your circumstances. Leaf works out quite well for my purposes - but then I'm doing an 80 mile round trip work commute with both work and public rapid charging available to me.

As of the 17th March, I'll have saved €1120 in fuel alone (and that's in comparison with the 1.4 TDCi I was driving previously - which ran on fumes) - before even consideration of servicing costs (would probably have serviced twice over the past 7 months.

There are major drawbacks and there are major plus points. It all depends upon what's important to you.

stesaurus

Pkiernan wrote: »

Nothing funny. It's very disappointing, and to be honest it's a bit shocking that someone would think this would be acceptable.

Nissan always advertised 160 km range.
2/3 of this is terrible.

And how is this different from claimed mpg figures on an ice?
If anyone is dumb enough to accept manufacturers claims at face value then that's their fault.

Mancomb Seepgood

Pkiernan wrote: »

Nothing funny. It's very disappointing, and to be honest it's a bit shocking that someone would think this would be acceptable.

Nissan always advertised 160 km range.
2/3 of this is terrible.

If you don't often do distances beyond the round-trip range of the car then it's far from terrible, in many ways it's a steal given the value available on the second-hand market.Nobody is claiming that there are no compromises involved because clearly they are.Its a question of what your driving needs are.