Mindhunter [Netflix]

ted1

RasTa wrote: »

This doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Zodiac.

It's a solid 6/10 show with nothing too ground breaking. Some of the dialouge is very weak and agree on the pointless girlfriend.

One of the episodes was only 35mins long, disgrace.

35 minutes is great. It’s a short episode that would have just been padded out with rubbish if they needed to make it for TV.

Heckler

RasTa wrote: »

Fincher said what S2 will be about and it's not Rader

Well thats a misdirection then. Obviously him getting going in S1. And I'm ok with that. Loved S1 so have faith S2 will be good. The Rader storyline would be good though.

pc7

I enjoyed it, Bill Tench saved it imo, the Holden casting I'm not convinced he pulled it off. I know what they were trying to get with him but not sure he did it. I'm only hoping debbie is back so a serial kill her kills her to get to Holden! 7/10 I think a different actor could have pushed it up a bit. Style and setting was excelling.

Good Bad Not Evil

RasTa wrote: »

Fincher said what S2 will be about and it's not Rader

Heckler wrote: »

Well thats a misdirection then. Obviously him getting going in S1. And I'm ok with that. Loved S1 so have faith S2 will be good. The Rader storyline would be good though.

Fincher:

Next year we’re looking at the Atlanta child murders.

I think it’s a fantastic show. Loved the pace and felt it really kept building (sometime subtly) on each episode. The interrogation scene in episode 10 was excellent. My favorite show in a long time.

johnpatrick81

I'm really struggling to enjoy it, only on episode 3.

The acting is so hammy at times, and the scripting even seems way off.

It has a gloss of a high budget to it, but the quality is so low in parts.

The scenes between yer man and his girlfriend are borderline unwatchable, like a couple of drama students practising.

The scene where they were in the police station giving the talk on Charlie Manson was like the "fvckin hell!" scene in Father Ted it was so cringey,

I dunno, unless this next episode is a revelation then I'm out.

Watched Mr Mercedes and Midnight Sun(fantastic scandinavian thriller) lately as well as The Deuce, all of which are in a different league to this.

fin12

I don't think a detective could ever talk about victims the way that detective did to Richard Speck, did that actually happen or is that made up for the show? Where they deleted the tape.

OptimusTractor

fin12 wrote: »

I don't think a detective could ever talk about victims the way that detective did to Richard Speck, did that actually happen or is that made up for the show? Where they deleted the tape.

They're the FBI. They can talk in whatever fashion they want.

Pelvis

lol, comparing Mr. Mercedes to this is like comparing the National Enquirer to National Geographic. Come on like!

johnpatrick81

Pelvis wrote: »

lol, comparing Mr. Mercedes to this is like comparing the National Enquirer to National Geographic. Come on like!

Exactly. I'd be sure that this has been seen by far more, and all those would have enjoyed Mr Merc more. Surprised it's gotten so much hype(Mindhunter).

Birneybau

Heckler wrote: »

Well thats a misdirection then. Obviously him getting going in S1. And I'm ok with that. Loved S1 so have faith S2 will be good. The Rader storyline would be good though.

I only finished it hence my late reply to the above quote. Maybe they're playing the long game. Afaik Rader was only arrested in 1991. This season of Mindhunter didn't even make it to the 80s?

fin12

OptimusTractor wrote: »

They're the FBI. They can talk in whatever fashion they want.

Well I'm pretty sure the victims family's would have something to say about that. There's a reason in the show they got rid of the tape if it was the norm to talk about victims like that, they wouldn't have made an issue about it.

Pelvis

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Exactly. I'd be sure that this has been seen by far more, and all those would have enjoyed Mr Merc more. Surprised it's gotten so much hype(Mindhunter).

I've seen both, and this is far superior on pretty much every level to Mr. Mercedes.

johnpatrick81

Pelvis wrote: »

I've seen both, and this is far superior on pretty much every level to Mr. Mercedes.

Oh.......wow! I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree so, jaysus :eek:

Good Bad Not Evil

I really enjoyed Mr. Mercedes and Brendan Gleeson's performance, but it doesn't come close to Mindhunter. The latter being far superior in every way. I find Mindhunter to be far more enthralling.

Mc Love

There's a lot more suspense in this than Mr. Mercedes tbh. They're both very different tv shows.

johnpatrick81

A lot more acting and scripting too :pac:

dastardly00

But there is no Fred in Mindhunter though! :pac:

GreNoLi

Surprisingly average, Bill was the only character I had time for, well him and Kemper.

Will not be watching further.

johnpatrick81

I’m actually nearly finished it, and while it does improve, it’s still average at best. Wouldn’t recommend it.

ixoy

Good Bad Not Evil wrote: »

I really enjoyed Mr. Mercedes and Brendan Gleeson's performance, but it doesn't come close to Mindhunter. The latter being far superior in every way. I find Mindhunter to be far more enthralling.

Agreed. "Mr. Mercedes" has more tropes and clichés but is saved by the strength of the performances.
"Mindhunter" for me is far more insightful, more intriguing. One of the best new shows of the year.

johnpatrick81

Tropes and cliches you say?

Like mommy issues? If anything, Mindhunter vindicates everything in Mr Merc.

I just found the latter far more enthralling. The acting in Mindhunter is Fair City standard at times.

Tristram

Good Bad Not Evil wrote: »

I really enjoyed Mr. Mercedes and Brendan Gleeson's performance, but it doesn't come close to Mindhunter. The latter being far superior in every way. I find Mindhunter to be far more enthralling.

Mc Love wrote: »

There's a lot more suspense in this than Mr. Mercedes tbh. They're both very different tv shows.

Similarly, I much preferred Mindhunter to Mr. Mercedes. They are very different shows so I'm not sure where the comparison comes from.

Heckler

I can't see why people are comparing these totally different shows.

I loved both. As a King reader I thought Mr. Mercedes was done well. Glesson was outstanding.

Mindhunter was a slow burn and maybe not what people were expecting. Holt mccallany kept me watching. Great show. If they follow the premise of Denis Rader BTK that they hinted at in the first season it could be great.

A truly scary, chilling case.

johnpatrick81

They’re tv shows, about murderers, that were on very recently.

I actually used that, the Deuce, and Midnight Sun as examples of shows lately I thought were far far better than this run of the mill thing.

Can’t understand it’s popularity, but I guess Ed Sheeran is the hottest musical act right now too.......

Mantis Toboggan

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Can’t understand it’s popularity, but I guess Ed Sheeran is the hottest musical act right now too.......

It's popularity is like most shows released these days, people who watch it when it's released will generally think its excellent, people who only watch it a few weeks after release will have read the reviews, heard the hype, listened to their friends talking about it, built up their hopes and ultimately be disappointed.

johnpatrick81

Yeah you’ve got a point.

Some people in this thread honestly seem to think it’s in best ever status though, baffling.

“Best show in years!”

“Show of the year hands down”.

It wasn’t even the best show of the day for me. Pure and utter average.

Good Bad Not Evil

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Yeah you’ve got a point.

Some people in this thread honestly seem to think it’s in best ever status though, baffling.

“Best show in years!”

“Show of the year hands down”.

It wasn’t even the best show of the day for me. Pure and utter average.

Why do you have such a problem with people's opinions? The show clearly isn't up your street for whatever reasons, but why do you need to validate this so much?

I happen to think it's the best show in a couple of years due to performances (not necessarily of the lead), pace and storytelling, suspense and the fact I think it's far more sophisticated a drama Mr. Mercedes (which is an entirely different show so it's pointless to compare the two really) and more sophisticated than anything I've chosen to watch over the last few years.

johnpatrick81

Good Bad Not Evil wrote: »

Why do you have such a problem with people's opinions? The show clearly isn't up your street for whatever reasons, but why do you need to validate this so much?

I happen to think it's the best show in a couple of years due to performances (not necessarily of the lead), pace and storytelling, suspense and the fact I think it's far more sophisticated a drama Mr. Mercedes (which is an entirely different show so it's pointless to compare the two really) and more sophisticated than anything I've chosen to watch over the last few years.

I don’t have a problem with them, I am just providing an alternative opinion. This thread is for people who watched it, I watched it. I am adding my opinion. That’s how the internet works. Why do you and 2 others feel the need to have an issue with me saying mr merc was so much better?

Sophisticated? In what way exactly? I really didn’t see anything sophisticated about it. Every scene was cliched to the extreme, the dialogue and execution was pure hammy and banal by and large.

blondeonblonde

Watched about 40 mins of ep1. Very disappointing, dull main character (FBI guy), unrealistic dialogue esp between him and his girlfriend. Definitely don't share the interest on here!

jcd5971

Heckler wrote:

I can't see why people are comparing these totally different shows.

Because the John Patrick poster said that fair city Mr Mercedes and some other shows are all better in every way than mind hunters.... Go figure.

Why someone would. Come into a thread about a show they didn't enjoy and keep posting there is beyond me.

It's not like he even has a discussion it's just all. Fair city is better lulz.

I just ignore those kinds of posts now.

johnpatrick81

jcd5971 wrote: »

Because the John Patrick poster said that fair city Mr Mercedes and some other shows are all better in every way than mind hunters.... Go figure.

Why someone would. Come into a thread about a show they didn't enjoy and keep posting there is beyond me.

It's not like he even has a discussion it's just all. Fair city is better lulz.

I just ignore those kinds of posts now.

Yet you’re clearly not ignoring them duhhhh :pac:

Yeah why would someone comment on a show they watched!!!

Good Bad Not Evil

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

I don’t have a problem with them, I am just providing an alternative opinion. This thread is for people who watched it, I watched it. I am adding my opinion. That’s how the internet works. Why do you and 2 others feel the need to have an issue with me saying mr merc was so much better?

Sophisticated? In what way exactly? I really didn’t see anything sophisticated about it. Every scene was cliched to the extreme, the dialogue and execution was pure hammy and banal by and large.

It’s sophisticated by its very nature - the inception of behavioral analysis in the what’s probably the world’s most famous specialist investigative unit. The methods and psychology of how they deal with certain individuals based on their crimes and how they draw them out to get even the smallest piece of information in order to form a theory or a profile.

Also, how the characters evolve and how the overall story is unfolding - it’s slow, detailed, layered and intense.

retro:electro

I agree with "the John Patrick poster"

Yea I didn't like this at all. The acting was just so banal and empty. There was nothing at all about it that would leave you in any way invested in the characters. A complete lack of action or anything gripping. I get that the emphasis was more psychologically inclined but tbh it was just boring and contrived shlte. I've seen better acting in my work training videos.

jcd5971

As said before different strokes for different folks. Your entitled to your opinion and entitled to express it.

But saying acting is as bad as fair city or a work training video.

I just don't get it.

johnpatrick81

You obviously aren’t very adept at reading are you, jcphtyhb?

Cos I never said Fair City was better, but the standard of acting at times was Fair City standard. Honestly, cardboard is being kind.

You’d get the same emotion picking 2 strangers off the street to read lines as you would out of many of the scenes involving Holden and the girlfriend.

jcd5971

johnpatrick81 wrote:

You obviously aren’t very adept at reading are you, jcphtyhb?

johnpatrick81 wrote:

Cos I never said Fair City was better, but the standard of acting at times was Fair City standard. Honestly, cardboard is being kind.

For one so adept at reading could you please point out where I quoted or referenced you?

Someone made a fair city comparison so I referred to it in a general observation.

I don't see the need for personal attacks here, why are you so upset?

PokeHerKing

I think that's more deliberate acting than bad acting.

johnpatrick81

jcd5971 wrote: »

Because the John Patrick poster said that fair city Mr Mercedes and some other shows are all better in every way than mind hunters.... Go figure.

Why someone would. Come into a thread about a show they didn't enjoy and keep posting there is beyond me.

It's not like he even has a discussion it's just all. Fair city is better lulz.

I just ignore those kinds of posts now.

There’s the full post as you seem to also suffer from short memory

Lulz

johnpatrick81

PokeHerKing wrote: »

I think that's more deliberate acting than bad acting.

Deliberately bad acting? It’s bad either way, whether by direction or writing or performance

retro:electro

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

There’s the full post as you seem to also suffer from short memory

Lulz

He's not doing a very good job of ignoring them.

PokeHerKing

johnpatrick81 wrote:

Deliberately bad acting? It’s bad either way, whether by direction or writing or performance

No the lack of emotion from their characters is a deliberate personality trait for both of them.

johnpatrick81

anna080 wrote: »

He's not doing a very good job of ignoring them.

Lulz go figure :pac:

johnpatrick81

PokeHerKing wrote: »

No the lack of emotion from their characters is a deliberate personality trait for both of them.

Oh right! And they were deliberately meant to show a complete lack of chemistry in those scenes they were supposedly getting together.

Call a spade a spade, it was dreadful.

pc7

I'm only hoping the girlfriend is in it so a serial killer can kill her to get at holden

retro:electro

PokeHerKing wrote: »

No the lack of emotion from their characters is a deliberate personality trait for both of them.

Do they use this technique in Fair City as well?

PokeHerKing

johnpatrick81 wrote:

Oh right! And they were deliberately meant to show a complete lack of chemistry in those scenes they were supposedly getting together.

johnpatrick81 wrote:

Call a spade a spade, it was dreadful.

No, I enjoyed the show. You didn't which is fair enough. I was just giving my opinion on what you perceived to be bad acting I perceived to be deliberate character traits.

johnpatrick81

PokeHerKing wrote: »

No, I enjoyed the show. You didn't which is fair enough. I was just giving my opinion on what you perceived to be bad acting I perceived to be deliberate character traits.

You’re defending wooden scenes saying that the characters were playing wooden characters.

Absolute horse. Holden and Tench scenes have more romantic sexual chemistry than Holden and the girlfriend. Even Holden and Ed have more sexual chemistry together :pac:

OmegaGene

Enjoyed the series, quite liked the way the main character was unemotional with his girlfriend and when they split up it was so matter of fact, I think there is more to come from that in regard to his past.
He really is a cold fish lol
I’m expecting it to improve in the next series

PokeHerKing

johnpatrick81 wrote:

Absolute horse. Holden and Tench scenes have more romantic sexual chemistry than Holden and the girlfriend. Even Holden and Ed have more sexual chemistry together

Well to be fair she cheated on him and then dumped him on her porch, so you know, maybe there wasn't much chemistry there...

As I said I enjoyed it, that's my opinion. I'm not defending anything. Your of the opinion it was a poor show. Mine is it was good.

If we wanted to figure out who's opinion was more correct we could look at the fact that the show has been roundly applauded by the public and critics alike, if we were so inclined.

GreNoLi

The show is objectively bad, hashtag cancel the second series.