If you're banned after getting 12 points

Commotion Ocean

Are you banned only in the category of vehicle in which you got 12 points or are you banned from all categories that you hold?

What if someone has a full B license for 6 years, and recently got a cat A permit. If they get 7 points on the bike, do they lose their full car license too?
If they picked up 7 when driving a car does that mean they lose the bike license?

Or would the points be held separately? Could you pick up 6 points on the bike and 11 points in the car and still be in the clear if you don't get any more? Or pick up 6 on the bike and just let your learner permit expire and the points will vanish with that.

Just something I thought about.

Fred Swanson

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CiniO

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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I hardly can see how someone can get banned from driving cars, for obtaining 7 points, just because they hold driving permit for motorbikes or full licence for motorbikes for less than 2 years.
Wouldn't make sense.

TrailerBob

Same driver number on the permit as your original full license.. the points stay against your driver number. If you get 12 points, you're licence is revoked, (by your driver number for all categories) regardless of what vehicle you were driving at the time of the incidents

Commotion Ocean

TrailerBob wrote: »

Same driver number on the permit as your original full license.. the points stay against your driver number. If you get 12 points, you're licence is revoked, (by your driver number for all categories) regardless of what vehicle you were driving at the time of the incidents

OK, so what if I pick up 7 points in my car (where I have a full license more than 2 years). Will I lose my bike learner permit then?

What if I pick up 7 points on my bike, I know I'll lose the bike permit then, but does that mean I'll lose the car license too? As Cinio pointed out, it make sno sense.

Commotion Ocean

Can someone here also clarify that a "clean license" means no endorsements of convictions attached to it. A "clean license" has nothing to do with penalty points.

You could have 11 points and have a "clean license" as long as you have no endorsements.

Del2005

CiniO wrote: »

I hardly can see how someone can get banned from driving cars, for obtaining 7 points, just because they hold driving permit for motorbikes or full licence for motorbikes for less than 2 years.
Wouldn't make sense.

You'll be banned from the bike and not the car. But it doesn't matter on which vehicle you got the points though.

Commotion Ocean

Del2005 wrote: »

You'll be banned from the bike and not the car. But it doesn't matter on which vehicle you got the points though.

Which is bollocks.

Clareman

Points are on the license not the vehicle, it's be like having €20 in a bookies, losing €20 on a horse and expecting to still have €20 on a dog, then have €20 on poker, etc. etc.

Pkiernan

Just drive properly. .. no brainer FFS

GM228

Commotion Ocean wrote: »

Can someone here also clarify that a "clean license" means no endorsements of convictions attached to it. A "clean license" has nothing to do with penalty points.

You could have 11 points and have a "clean license" as long as you have no endorsements.

Penalty points are endorsements on your licence record.

Commotion Ocean

Pkiernan wrote: »

Just drive properly. .. no brainer FFS

Theres always fvcking one, Jesus Christ. This is the motors forum and I only asked a question.

Bet you've never slipped over the speed limit accidentally before and just been unlucky enough that there happened to be a speed van there. Have you?

I've no points by the way. So Fock off.

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Isambard

I don't think some posters are getting this question which is interesting.
I'd say if you got 12 points on your car license you'd be banned from driving everything. If you got 7 points on a prov.bike permit, I don't think this would affect your car license though. It's an odd anomaly. In theory, your bike learners permit would be revoked but not your car license. The 7 points could be earned on either the car or bike permit, in other words, 7 points on your car license would see you banned from your bike.

knipex

Commotion Ocean wrote: »

Theres always fvcking one, Jesus Christ. This is the motors forum and I only asked a question.

Bet you've never slipped over the speed limit accidentally before and just been unlucky enough that there happened to be a speed van there. Have you?

I've no points by the way. So Fock off.

The question was answered. Speeding is speeding irrespective of the vehicle in which you are caught.

If you have 7 points (irrespective of how you got them) park the bike and stick to the car.

If you have 12 points then no driving of anything..

Nothing complicated about it..

Dravokivich

Isambard wrote: »

I don't think some posters are getting this question which is interesting.
I'd say if you got 12 points on your car license you'd be banned from driving everything. If you got 7 points on a prov.bike permit, I don't think this would affect your car license though. It's an odd anomaly. In theory, your bike learners permit would be revoked but not your car license. The 7 points could be earned on either the car or bike permit, in other words, 7 points on your car license would see you banned from your bike.

What are you on about, I thought you only get one license?

If you have completed a novice period (initial 2 years after claiming your first license), or held a license prior to the requirement, you are not required to go through a Novice period for subsequent licenses.

Theboinkmaster

Pkiernan wrote: »

Just drive properly. .. no brainer FFS

You cannot judge someone's driving ability or safety record by the number of points they have.

Driving "properly" doesn't have a correlation with points earned.

Back in your box

knipex

Dravokivich wrote: »

What are you on about, I thought you only get one license?

If you have completed a novice period (initial 2 years after claiming your first license), or held a license prior to the requirement, you are not required to go through a Novice period for subsequent licenses.

Full car license..

Decide to get a bike. Apply for license.

Provisional bike license

Henry Ford III

knipex wrote: »

Full car license..

Decide to get a bike. Apply for license.

Provisional bike license

A small bit fraudulant perhaps?

Imagine the lies you'd have to tell to get insured

knipex

Henry Ford III wrote: »

A small bit fraudulant perhaps?

Imagine the lies you'd have to tell to get insured

Nothing fraudulent about it..

Lots of people decide to get a motorbike license or truck license in their 30's having over 10 years car driving experience so get issued with new provisional.

But The points are yours.. however they are gained

Dravokivich

knipex wrote: »

Full car license..

Decide to get a bike. Apply for license.

Provisional bike license

There's no provisional anymore.

You can only have 1 license. You do not get impacted by a lower threshold for points if you already have a driving license when getting a permit to learn other categories applied to your license.

knipex

Dravokivich wrote: »

There's no provisional anymore.

You can only have 1 license. You do not get impacted by a lower threshold for points if you already have a driving license when getting a permit to learn other categories applied to your license.

So if I have a full car license and I apply for a bike license I get a full license ? Or a trailer license I automatically get a full license ?

Of course there is still a provisional..

wonski

Commotion Ocean wrote: »

Can someone here also clarify that a "clean license" means no endorsements of convictions attached to it. A "clean license" has nothing to do with penalty points.

You could have 11 points and have a "clean license" as long as you have no endorsements.

You can't have a clean license with 11 points

wonski

knipex wrote: »

So if I have a full car license and I apply for a bike license I get a full license ? Or a trailer license I automatically get a full license ?

Of course there is still a provisional..

No, you don't get a full bike/trailer or whatever license. Why would you???

CiniO

wonski wrote: »

You can't have a clean license with 11 points

I recall reading and being explained, that penalty points don't affect a status: "clean" of the licence.

When I moved to Ireland, I didn't understand what "clean" licence was, and I recall it just means that it's without "endorsements".

Penalty points are not endorsements.

Delirium

Commotion Ocean wrote: »

Are you banned only in the category of vehicle in which you got 12 points or are you banned from all categories that you hold?

What if someone has a full B license for 6 years, and recently got a cat A permit. If they get 7 points on the bike, do they lose their full car license too?
If they picked up 7 when driving a car does that mean they lose the bike license?

Or would the points be held separately? Could you pick up 6 points on the bike and 11 points in the car and still be in the clear if you don't get any more? Or pick up 6 on the bike and just let your learner permit expire and the points will vanish with that.

Just something I thought about.

Did you never wonder why they have all the images of different vehicles on a license?

Dravokivich

knipex wrote: »

So if I have a full car license and I apply for a bike license I get a full license ? Or a trailer license I automatically get a full license ?

Of course there is still a provisional..

You're arguing over semantics now. There isn't.

GM228

CiniO wrote: »

Penalty points are not endorsements.

Penalty points are endorsements on your licence record.

wonski

CiniO wrote: »

I recall reading and being explained, that penalty points don't affect a status: "clean" of the licence.

When I moved to Ireland, I didn't understand what "clean" licence was, and I recall it just means that it's without "endorsements".

Penalty points are not endorsements.

Good luck explaining it to your insurer or employer

Clean means clean.

Pkiernan

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

You cannot judge someone's driving ability or safety record by the number of points they have.

Driving "properly" doesn't have a correlation with points earned.

Back in your box

Sounds like the OP thinks that accumulating 19 points is good driving....poor chap.

Should have gone to Specsavers. .. :-)

Pkiernan

Commotion Ocean wrote: »

Theres always fvcking one, Jesus Christ. This is the motors forum and I only asked a question.

Bet you've never slipped over the speed limit accidentally before and just been unlucky enough that there happened to be a speed van there. Have you?

I've no points by the way. So Fock off.

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Dude, you're quite obviously an inexperienced driver. I wonder why you thinks it's okay to amass 17 points on 2 vehicle types.
Are you still on your provisional? Less points so.

Cee-Jay-Cee

It's a 'driving' ban which means you are banned from driving ALL mechanically propelled vehicles.

Commotion Ocean

knipex wrote: »

The question was answered. Speeding is speeding irrespective of the vehicle in which you are caught.

If you have 7 points (irrespective of how you got them) park the bike and stick to the car.

If you have 12 points then no driving of anything..

Nothing complicated about it..

Who said anything about "speeding", there's more ways to pick up points, Gaybo.

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

You cannot judge someone's driving ability or safety record by the number of points they have.

Driving "properly" doesn't have a correlation with points earned.

Back in your box

This.

Dravokivich wrote: »

What are you on about, I thought you only get one license?

If you have completed a novice period (initial 2 years after claiming your first license), or held a license prior to the requirement, you are not required to go through a Novice period for subsequent licenses.

The learner permit for the new category in which you are learning will be held on a separate card, possibly with the same driver number.

Pkiernan wrote: »

Sounds like the OP thinks that accumulating 19 points is good driving....poor chap.

Should have gone to Specsavers. .. :-)

Please feel free to quote me where I said (or even implied) that accumulating 19 points was "good driving".

Pkiernan wrote: »

Dude, you're quite obviously an inexperienced driver. I wonder why you thinks it's okay to amass 17 points on 2 vehicle types.
Are you still on your provisional? Less points so.

Again, please feel free to quote me where I said (or even implied) that accumulating 19 points was "good driving". I'm driving since 2009 FYI.

Alkers

Iirc the six point disqualification only applies on your first category of licence. So you can have a full car licence and a learner permit and get 6+ points and still legally drive.

Fred Swanson

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Commotion Ocean

Simona1986 wrote: »

Iirc the six point disqualification only applies on your first category of licence. So you can have a full car licence and a learner permit and get 6+ points and still legally drive.

I have a full car license nearly 6 years, does that mean I'm exempt from the N plate or tabard if / when I passed my bus, lorry or motorbike test?

Fred Swanson

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knipex

wonski wrote: »

No, you don't get a full bike/trailer or whatever license. Why would you???

That's my point. I woudl have a provisional bike \ trailer \ whatever license

But according to Dravokivich once you pass your first test then no more provisional

Dravokivich wrote: »

You're arguing over semantics now. There isn't.