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Never Signed a contract

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  • 03-03-2017 11:49am
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    jameorahiely
    Registered Users Posts: 825 ✭✭✭


    O was given a contract but never signed it as I wanted time to go through it in finer detail.

    Do I have to abide by the conditions set out in it?


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    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Why do you think you don't?


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    jameorahiely
    Registered Users Posts: 825 ✭✭✭jameorahiely


    Cadence Sharp Crate wrote: »
    Why do you think you don't?

    Beacause what's in the contract goes beyond statutory requirements and I never agreed to it.


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    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    jameorahiely wrote: »
    Beacause what's in the contract goes beyond statutory requirements and I never agreed to it.

    You accepted the job knowing the terms of the contract. Your employer must give you a contract, you either accept or reject it, by taking the job you have accepted it, there is no requirement for a signature on the contract.


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    jameorahiely
    Registered Users Posts: 825 ✭✭✭jameorahiely


    davo10 wrote: »
    You accepted the job knowing the terms of the contract. Your employer must give you a contract, you either accept or reject it, by taking the job you have accepted it, there is no requirement for a signature on the contract.

    Well no actually. The contract was not supplied until almost 3 months after I started. When given it, I put a note in saying I wanted time to review it before accepting it.


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    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    jameorahiely wrote: »
    Beacause what's in the contract goes beyond statutory requirements and I never agreed to it.

    You took the job didn't you?

    No you don't have to stick by the contract but then neither does the employer.


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    jameorahiely
    Registered Users Posts: 825 ✭✭✭jameorahiely


    pilly wrote: »
    You took the job didn't you?

    No you don't have to stick by the contract but then neither does the employer.

    The employer has already pulled some dodgy stuff... I have a couple of other threads here


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    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    jameorahiely wrote: »
    The employer has already pulled some dodgy stuff... I have a couple of other threads here

    Leave so.


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    jameorahiely
    Registered Users Posts: 825 ✭✭✭jameorahiely


    pilly wrote: »
    Leave so.

    Ironically enough that's what I'm trying to do. :pac:

    I gave statutory notice, employer wants more. They rang me with a abusive attitude earlier today over it :rolleyes:


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    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    jameorahiely wrote: »
    Ironically enough that's what I'm trying to do. :pac:

    I gave statutory notice, employer wants more. They rang me with a abusive attitude earlier today over it :rolleyes:

    I've read some your previous threads and it just seems like you didn't like it from day one so you're better off out of it.

    Why worry about fighting over the details would be my question?

    They don't like you giving statutory notice, fine, nothing they can do about it.


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    jameorahiely
    Registered Users Posts: 825 ✭✭✭jameorahiely


    pilly wrote: »
    I've read some your previous threads and it just seems like you didn't like it from day one so you're better off out of it.

    Why worry about fighting over the details would be my question?

    They don't like you giving statutory notice, fine, nothing they can do about it.

    I loved the job, but disliked the management. I just think they are the vindictive type that woukd do something if they can.

    I won't be looking for a reference off them so I'm not worried about that. Just trying to restrain myself from telling them to go f themselves.


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    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    jameorahiely wrote: »
    I loved the job, but disliked the management. I just think they are the vindictive type that woukd do something if they can.

    I won't be looking for a reference off them so I'm not worried about that. Just trying to restrain myself from telling them to go f themselves.

    Yeah, don't do that. :D Ireland is too small.


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    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    davo10 wrote:
    You accepted the job knowing the terms of the contract. Your employer must give you a contract, you either accept or reject it, by taking the job you have accepted it, there is no requirement for a signature on the contract.

    This isn't correct. No signature = no contract. Otherwise an employer could pop up any piece of paper and say that you agree to this also.


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    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    This isn't correct. No signature = no contract. Otherwise an employer could pop up any piece of paper and say that you agree to this also.

    No contract, no job if employee rejects contract?

    There is a legal requirement for employers to provide a contract, I have never come across legislation which says it must be signed or even agreed to. The employee does not have to sign it, but by not doing so and continuing to work there they are accepting the terms of the contract. If they don't accept the terms, then there is no job as they do not accept the terms offered by the employer.


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    slavetothegrind
    Registered Users Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭slavetothegrind


    If you have no contract and are well over a year in full time employment can the employer just drop a contract on you that outlines different conditions than you have been working up to now and literally expect you to leave or accept terms?

    Would you have any recourse?


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    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    slavetothegrind wrote: »
    If you have no contract and are well over a year in full time employment can the employer just drop a contract on you that outlines different conditions than you have been working up to now and literally expect you to leave or accept terms?

    Would you have any recourse?

    Employer is supposed to give you a contract within a certain timeframe.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/contracts_of_employment/contract_of_employment.html


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