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  • Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭LawGirl3434


    To be honest - i'm doing the exact same topics as you are! I'm not really looking at anything else. It's so easy to tie yourself up in knots that I'm just sticking to the most common topics over the last number of years and praying to the FE1 gods/examiners!

    Thanks so much! This is the thing, the papers have to be somewhat standardized I feel. Think I’m going to do the following, would be grateful to hear your thoughts if I should leave anything out or add anything in:

    Institutions
    Treaties
    FMOG
    FMOW/ Citizenship
    Mergers
    State aid
    Direct effect and state liability
    General principles
    Judicial review
    Equality/ social policy
    Preliminary reference (have nice notes and short enough so may as well)
    Competition
    106 public undertakings


  • Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭saraocallaghan


    Thanks so much! This is the thing, the papers have to be somewhat standardized I feel. Think I’m going to do the following, would be grateful to hear your thoughts if I should leave anything out or add anything in:

    Institutions
    Treaties
    FMOG
    FMOW/ Citizenship
    Mergers
    State aid
    Direct effect and state liability
    General principles
    Judicial review
    Equality/ social policy
    Preliminary reference (have nice notes and short enough so may as well)
    Competition
    106 public undertakings

    I'm going to do FMOG, FMOP, institutions, direct effect/state liability, fundamental rights, judicial review, equality & citizenship. I'm not getting into competition or 106. If preliminary reference is short, I might give it a bash to have as a back up, but that's it really.


  • Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭LawGirl3434


    I'm going to do FMOG, FMOP, institutions, direct effect/state liability, fundamental rights, judicial review, equality & citizenship. I'm not getting into competition or 106. If preliminary reference is short, I might give it a bash to have as a back up, but that's it really.

    Thanks so much. Wouldn’t lose sleep over preliminary reference, hasn’t been up since 2014.


  • Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭LawGirl3434


    EU people:

    Has anyone attempted to do the spring 2015 paper in their revision? Tried to tackle it this afternoon and just found it too hard compared to other sittings - anyone else in the same boat?


  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭lisac223


    Does anyone have any study tips in general? I've all my notes done up now but the thoughts of spending the next 3 weeks just rote learning cases every day sounds like torture.

    How are ye doing it? Are people taking the time to write out full exam answers, just main points, or just learning notes and reading reports?

    Any advice would be great I definitely think I need to mix up the study so I don't go mad!

    Thanks :-)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 47 starfishxxo


    lisac223 wrote: »
    Does anyone have any study tips in general? I've all my notes done up now but the thoughts of spending the next 3 weeks just rote learning cases every day sounds like torture.

    How are ye doing it? Are people taking the time to write out full exam answers, just main points, or just learning notes and reading reports?

    Any advice would be great I definitely think I need to mix up the study so I don't go mad!

    Thanks :-)

    Personally, I don't find rote learning very effective until closer to the exam - I just won't retain it! I'm planning to revise through preparing practise questions (as I haven't really done many so far) - open-book, using my notes initially

    I'm working full time, so trying to use my time as effectively as possible. Would love to know how other people are approaching it


  • Registered Users Posts: 16 Mr. JD


    Heya!

    I am finishing up my property notes and I am either going to do Mortgages OR Landlord and Tenant.

    I'm currently leaning towards Landlord and Tenant as it appears to not have come up the past two sittings. But seems a tad confusing... although saying that, so does mortgages.

    Anyone have any thoughts on this?


  • Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭LawGirl3434


    Mr. JD wrote: »
    Heya!

    I am finishing up my property notes and I am either going to do Mortgages OR Landlord and Tenant.

    I'm currently leaning towards Landlord and Tenant as it appears to not have come up the past two sittings. But seems a tad confusing... although saying that, so does mortgages.

    Anyone have any thoughts on this?

    Hard to say - I’m doing both as back ups (will learn to the best of my ability but not my first choice). If I had to pick one I’d go with landlord and tenant, mortgages seems easier to go wrong somewhere going by the reports students can answer mortgage questions quite poorly


  • Registered Users Posts: 16 Mr. JD


    Hard to say - I’m doing both as back ups (will learn to the best of my ability but not my first choice). If I had to pick one I’d go with landlord and tenant, mortgages seems easier to go wrong somewhere going by the reports students can answer mortgage questions quite poorly

    Yeah, I saw that too.

    They will both be very much back up topics, hoping the others I've covered come up so won't even have to go there!


  • Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭JohnsKite


    DUMSURFER wrote: »
    Hi everyone,

    Really getting tangled up in the papers at the moment and have sadly wasted most of the day on this question... Every time I think I finally got it, I find out some other piece of information that catches me. Would anyone possibly have a sample answer to:

    - Q1 in the October 2016 paper; or
    - Q1 in the Spring 2019 paper.

    Not sure if my brain has stopped working today or if it is genuinely this confusing but any help is appreciated with it. And I'm more then willing to reciprocate any bit of help!


    Have you seen the examiners report for the spring 2019 paper? (that's an open question, I want to know what it says) I'm a bit confused about q1. originally I though is was just causation, but is it also the defense of contributory negligence?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 18 jamesob123


    Hi fellow sufferers!

    For Company I am covering the following, would any of you suggest adding addition topics to the below? I appreciate any input!

    Reform of the 2014 Act
    Corporate Personality
    Director Duties
    Restriction and DQ of Directors
    Share Transfer
    Shareholder Protection & Remedies
    Shareholder & Director Meetings
    Corporate Borrowings
    Winding Up
    Receivership &
    Summary Approval Procedure

    Thank you all!


  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭lisac223


    Mr. JD wrote: »
    Heya!

    I am finishing up my property notes and I am either going to do Mortgages OR Landlord and Tenant.

    I'm currently leaning towards Landlord and Tenant as it appears to not have come up the past two sittings. But seems a tad confusing... although saying that, so does mortgages.

    Anyone have any thoughts on this?

    I sat property in March and I learned both of those topics.

    For L&T it is super topical at the moment considering the new act that came into effect in May. It has far-reaching effects for landlords and I had a whole set of notes done up on the changes (at that time that were due to come into effect) and it would have been a straight forward application of them. L&T is actually very methodical once you get down to it and since the new Act came into force after the last sitting I think it could be likely to come up.

    Mortgages is a brilliant question to do bc it only ever comes up one way and literally all you do is learn pre-2009 law and post-2009 law under 6 sub-headings with very few cases. It's so mechanical that even though it comes up as a problem question it's always asking the same thing. I even mixed one part up and had arrows all over my paper in March and I still passed comfortably and knew that mortgages was my most solid question.

    Just my two cents!

    P.S. mortgages is answered by very few students and it seems like (going by the reports) the examiner will throw a few extra marks your way just for doing it!


  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭sbbyrne


    lisac223 wrote: »
    I sat property in March and I learned both of those topics.

    For L&T it is super topical at the moment considering the new act that came into effect in May. It has far-reaching effects for landlords and I had a whole set of notes done up on the changes (at that time that were due to come into effect) and it would have been a straight forward application of them. L&T is actually very methodical once you get down to it and since the new Act came into force after the last sitting I think it could be likely to come up.

    Mortgages is a brilliant question to do bc it only ever comes up one way and literally all you do is learn pre-2009 law and post-2009 law under 6 sub-headings with very few cases. It's so mechanical that even though it comes up as a problem question it's always asking the same thing. I even mixed one part up and had arrows all over my paper in March and I still passed comfortably and knew that mortgages was my most solid question.

    Just my two cents!

    P.S. mortgages is answered by very few students and it seems like (going by the reports) the examiner will throw a few extra marks your way just for doing it!


    This is really helpful! Thanks a mill. I'm so behind on my timetable i'm trying not to panic but this has calmed me down somewhat. How did you find Land overall? :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭lisac223


    sbbyrne wrote: »
    This is really helpful! Thanks a mill. I'm so behind on my timetable i'm trying not to panic but this has calmed me down somewhat. How did you find Land overall? :)

    The exam really wasn't bad at all. I found it very predictable and the questions were worded pretty much exactly as they had been in the past. She says the same thing in her exam papers for certain questions every year so for most of the questions I followed what she said and I did grand! Succession obv is a must, you should know it inside out. Adverse possession is another must, it's a bit big but you could be looking at a problem Q this time around bc in March she asked for reform. Family Home rights and rights of same-sex couples is very popular with her and again she asks them the same way every time.

    Findings is honestly so easy I was suspicious of doing it! It's quite short there's only so much you can say for it but she loves asking it and she seems to copy and paste her reports for that answer every year. There aren't that many cases in it and if you know the NZ and Australian cases for it I can't see how you'd lose any marks in that question!

    Hope that helps :)

    Have you sat contract, constitutional, EU or company? I'm doing those this time around and would love any advice!


  • Registered Users Posts: 287 ✭✭holliek


    lisac223 wrote: »
    The exam really wasn't bad at all. I found it very predictable and the questions were worded pretty much exactly as they had been in the past. She says the same thing in her exam papers for certain questions every year so for most of the questions I followed what she said and I did grand! Succession obv is a must, you should know it inside out. Adverse possession is another must, it's a bit big but you could be looking at a problem Q this time around bc in March she asked for reform. Family Home rights and rights of same-sex couples is very popular with her and again she asks them the same way every time.

    Findings is honestly so easy I was suspicious of doing it! It's quite short there's only so much you can say for it but she loves asking it and she seems to copy and paste her reports for that answer every year. There aren't that many cases in it and if you know the NZ and Australian cases for it I can't see how you'd lose any marks in that question!

    Hope that helps :)

    Have you sat contract, constitutional, EU or company? I'm doing those this time around and would love any advice!

    I haven't learnt findings as on my grid it hasn't come up since Oct 2016 so I thought it might be a waste to learn?


  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭lisac223


    holliek wrote: »
    I haven't learnt findings as on my grid it hasn't come up since Oct 2016 so I thought it might be a waste to learn?

    It came up as a full Q in October 2017 and part of a Q in March 2018 so I guess that's why I thought it was likely to come up. And it's super easy and short so that's a bonus!


  • Registered Users Posts: 287 ✭✭holliek


    EU Competition Law

    Have typed out notes on art 101, 102, 106 and state aid (107). Considering mergers came up on the last sitting, I'm pretty much leaving it out (have about a paragraph on it). Anyone else doing similar?


  • Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭LawGirl3434


    Equity people - anyone know of any recent cases in Specific Performance - contracts for personal services? My manual is from 2019 and only has C.H Giles and Co. v Morris and Hill v CA Parsons, but the examiner asked a stand alone essay on it in Autumn 2016 and mentioned in the report that students were really aware of up to date cases.


  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭ahhhhhFE1s


    Equity people - anyone know of any recent cases in Specific Performance - contracts for personal services? My manual is from 2019 and only has C.H Giles and Co. v Morris and Hill v CA Parsons, but the examiner asked a stand alone essay on it in Autumn 2016 and mentioned in the report that students were really aware of up to date cases.

    • McCutcheon states “there is near universal reluctance” to order the SP of a contract for personal services due to: (i) the degree of court supervision; and (ii) courts will not compel a person to work for another where their relationship of trust and confidence no longer exists.
    • Fry J. in De Francesco v Barnum remarked that ‘courts should be cautious about making an order for SP where it is a contract for a personal service in case they turn a contract for service into a contract for slavery.’
    • While courts are reluctant to make orders that force a person to work with another, they have enforced orders for person NOT to work with anyone else:
     Lumley v Wagner – D agreed to sing at P’s theatre (positive obligation) and nowhere else (negative obligation), however P attempted to go sing at another theatre for a larger fee. Court granted injunction but noted D could never be forced to honour the positive obligation.
    • Keep Open Clauses – required to stay open for certain hours
     Wanze Properties (Ireland) Ltd v Five Star Supermarket - granted an int. injunction compelling the defendant to continue trading in the plaintiff shopping centre during normal business hours.

    ^^ Those are from my notes... Only the Wanz case is within the 20th century so not too sure of any new cases..


  • Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭LawGirl3434


    ahhhhhFE1s wrote: »
    • McCutcheon states “there is near universal reluctance” to order the SP of a contract for personal services due to: (i) the degree of court supervision; and (ii) courts will not compel a person to work for another where their relationship of trust and confidence no longer exists.
    • Fry J. in De Francesco v Barnum remarked that ‘courts should be cautious about making an order for SP where it is a contract for a personal service in case they turn a contract for service into a contract for slavery.’
    • While courts are reluctant to make orders that force a person to work with another, they have enforced orders for person NOT to work with anyone else:
     Lumley v Wagner – D agreed to sing at P’s theatre (positive obligation) and nowhere else (negative obligation), however P attempted to go sing at another theatre for a larger fee. Court granted injunction but noted D could never be forced to honour the positive obligation.
    • Keep Open Clauses – required to stay open for certain hours
     Wanze Properties (Ireland) Ltd v Five Star Supermarket - granted an int. injunction compelling the defendant to continue trading in the plaintiff shopping centre during normal business hours.

    ^^ Those are from my notes... Only the Wanz case is within the 20th century so not too sure of any new cases..


    Thank you so much! :) Yeah i can't find anything remotely modern either. Also found Rigby v Connell (from late 1800s, but was SP for personal service of getting an actor to perform in a play)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭niamh1612


    Working full time at the moment so Im trying to limit the amount of material a much as i possibly can. Could anyone advise me if im missing anything absolutely vital, I know im probably taking a gamble with this amount of topics:
    Equity: Injunctions, Note Q(all previous notes learned), Ch and Non Ch trusts, 3 certainties, Undue Influence, Prop. Estop
    Land: Succession, AP, Co ownership, Finding, Easements


  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭ahhhhhFE1s


    Thank you so much! :) Yeah i can't find anything remotely modern either. Also found Rigby v Connell (from late 1800s, but was SP for personal service of getting an actor to perform in a play)

    Just did a bit of digging and think she could be referring to Ahmed v HSE (2007) and Carroll v Dublin Bus (2005)- found on previous thread!
    Carroll v Dublin Bus: obiter comments were expressing doubt over whether a court had the jurisdiction to order the specific performance of a contract for employment. Court concluded they possibly could but only if no difficulties would arise as a result of the order.

    This was then applied in Ahmed v HSE. Despite the fact that relationship of trust and confidence still existed between the parties, the court refused to order specific performance of the contract of employment because there was potential for certain issues to arise as a result of the order and as the court could not foresee what these issues would be, they refused to order SP.


  • Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭LawGirl3434


    ahhhhhFE1s wrote: »
    Just did a bit of digging and think she could be referring to Ahmed v HSE (2007) and Carroll v Dublin Bus (2005)- found on previous thread!
    Carroll v Dublin Bus: obiter comments were expressing doubt over whether a court had the jurisdiction to order the specific performance of a contract for employment. Court concluded they possibly could but only if no difficulties would arise as a result of the order.

    This was then applied in Ahmed v HSE. Despite the fact that relationship of trust and confidence still existed between the parties, the court refused to order specific performance of the contract of employment because there was potential for certain issues to arise as a result of the order and as the court could not foresee what these issues would be, they refused to order SP.

    Thank you so much! Almost hoping it comes up now having all these cases :) So frustrating how the manuals just don't have them - especially as was a past question!

    Another random equity Q, do campus oil principles apply to Quia Timet injunctions? Can't figure out what Szabo v ESAT Digiphone is saying on it


  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭ahhhhhFE1s


    niamh1612 wrote: »
    Working full time at the moment so Im trying to limit the amount of material a much as i possibly can. Could anyone advise me if im missing anything absolutely vital, I know im probably taking a gamble with this amount of topics:
    Equity: Injunctions, Note Q(all previous notes learned), Ch and Non Ch trusts, 3 certainties, Undue Influence, Prop. Estop
    Land: Succession, AP, Co ownership, Finding, Easements

    If your doing Ch and Non Ch trusts, I'd just make sure to include cy pres jurisdiction as it's been a popular way for it to be asked the last few papers!


  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭niamh1612


    Brilliant thank you!


  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭ahhhhhFE1s


    Thank you so much! Almost hoping it comes up now having all these cases :) So frustrating how the manuals just don't have them - especially as was a past question!

    Another random equity Q, do campus oil principles apply to Quia Timet injunctions? Can't figure out what Szabo v ESAT Digiphone is saying on it

    Haha yes would be handy if it came up now..

    Campus Oil Principles
    • Where the risk of danger occurring is undisputed, or where it is purely commercial interests at stake, it may be more applicable to use Campus Oil
    • In National Irish Bank v RTE- D conceded it intended to publish harmful information about P . Shanley J considered the regular test more applicable than the stringent evidential burden, as there was no question there.
    • As stated, Geoghegan stood away from Campus Oil in the first place for a combination of the above reason of evidence, and his distaste at measuring human lives against commercial matters.

    ^^ That's what I have about campus oil and quia timet.. Basically think Geoghegan said in Szabo there must be strong evidence of substantial risk of danger and that was the focus in that case but in other cases not involving risk to human life might use Campus Oil.. bit wishy washy but the general gist


  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭sbbyrne


    lisac223 wrote: »
    The exam really wasn't bad at all. I found it very predictable and the questions were worded pretty much exactly as they had been in the past. She says the same thing in her exam papers for certain questions every year so for most of the questions I followed what she said and I did grand! Succession obv is a must, you should know it inside out. Adverse possession is another must, it's a bit big but you could be looking at a problem Q this time around bc in March she asked for reform. Family Home rights and rights of same-sex couples is very popular with her and again she asks them the same way every time.

    Findings is honestly so easy I was suspicious of doing it! It's quite short there's only so much you can say for it but she loves asking it and she seems to copy and paste her reports for that answer every year. There aren't that many cases in it and if you know the NZ and Australian cases for it I can't see how you'd lose any marks in that question!

    Hope that helps :)

    Have you sat contract, constitutional, EU or company? I'm doing those this time around and would love any advice!

    Thank you so much, that's so helpful!

    I've done Contract, Const., and Company. I've just EU and Land this sitting and then im finished (hopefully!!!)

    Contract: Definitely not the worst. I think the key for contract is the past papers. Similar to what you said about land, they come up the same way over and over. It might be obvious but really know your case law and focus on the judgments. On my sitting of contract the exact same question that had come up previously came up, word for word so just focus on papers and you'll fly it!

    Const.: it actually isn't the worst, I liked it. Thing is, the papers are terrifying! You could be reading them the night before and still not know what each question is asking, but it seems to be just the nature of constitutional, so when you open the paper first - don't panic. Take each question line by line and break it down. Going through past papers is daunting, but just keep going and answering each one without your notes to try and get more confident in what you know. When studying for it, I found researching the cases online gave me such a good understanding of what they were about, in a way that the manual sometimes doesn't.

    Company: Again, not the worst. I don't know how I passed this one, as two of my questions were on topics I hadn't prepared for. I think Examinership was one of my qs, and I answered it solely from having the Companies Act beside me. Very fair marker I found!

    You can do it! :)

    (just realised I said they all "weren't the worst". Theyre all pretty eww, but in comparison to equity, they're not too bad. I think Equity is the devil!!)


  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭lisac223


    sbbyrne wrote: »
    Thank you so much, that's so helpful!

    I've done Contract, Const., and Company. I've just EU and Land this sitting and then im finished (hopefully!!!)

    Contract: Definitely not the worst. I think the key for contract is the past papers. Similar to what you said about land, they come up the same way over and over. It might be obvious but really know your case law and focus on the judgments. On my sitting of contract the exact same question that had come up previously came up, word for word so just focus on papers and you'll fly it!

    Const.: it actually isn't the worst, I liked it. Thing is, the papers are terrifying! You could be reading them the night before and still not know what each question is asking, but it seems to be just the nature of constitutional, so when you open the paper first - don't panic. Take each question line by line and break it down. Going through past papers is daunting, but just keep going and answering each one without your notes to try and get more confident in what you know. When studying for it, I found researching the cases online gave me such a good understanding of what they were about, in a way that the manual sometimes doesn't.

    Company: Again, not the worst. I don't know how I passed this one, as two of my questions were on topics I hadn't prepared for. I think Examinership was one of my qs, and I answered it solely from having the Companies Act beside me. Very fair marker I found!

    You can do it! :)

    (just realised I said they all "weren't the worst". Theyre all pretty eww, but in comparison to equity, they're not too bad. I think Equity is the devil!!)

    Brilliant thanks so much for this, definitely puts them in perspective for me. These are my second 4 so hopefully we can both celebrate an early Christmas present and be done!


  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭niamh1612


    Do ye think its relatively safe to leave out Quia Timet injunctions ? surely it wont come up 2 years in a row. Or is that super risky?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭HappyKitten62


    Hi guys! How are you all going about memorising things?! Im stressed


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