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Convective/Thunderstorm Discussion : Spring/Summer 2017

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,949 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Quoting Met Eireann: Tomorrow morning will be mostly cloudy with outbreaks of rain. The rain will turn showery during the day, with sunny spells developing, many of the showers will be heavy and thundery. Humid conditions will make it feel warm with highest temperatures of 16 to 19 degrees. Winds will be light to moderate southwesterly, fresh along south and southeast coasts and blustery around thunderstorms.

    Looks interesting . Wind sheer looking stronger on latest charts.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,949 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    https://twitter.com/metoffice/status/872392878017970177



    More to follow for other parts of Ireland you would think.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,949 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Soundings taken from around the center for the country at 12.00 Thurs. Looks like it has all the parameters for some lively thunderstorms and dropping large amounts of precipitation under them.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,949 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


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    lively showers tomorrow,nothing for the west,:(

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,949 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Good Temps tomorrow in the midlands helping convection, latest NNM shows very heavy showers building in the early afternoon heading in a NE'ly direction . Can see why there is a yellow warning for N.Ireland .


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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,170 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Shannon's TAF has a 30% prob Temporary forecast of Thunderstorm rain from 12pm-3pm

    Knocks TAF has a 40% prob Temporary forecast of Thunderstorm rain from 12pm-4pm.

    Belfast TAF has a 40% prob Temporary forecast of Heavy Thunderstorm rain from 3pm-7pm.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    STATUS YELLOW

    Rainfall Warning for Cork and Kerry
    Heavy rain or thundery showers will occur at times overnight and during Thursday leading to accumulations of 25 to 40mm in places.

    Issued:Wednesday 07 June 2017 21:00
    Valid:Wednesday 07 June 2017 21:00 to Thursday 08 June 2017 20:00


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,949 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


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    Day 2 Convective Outlook
    VALID 06:00 UTC Thu 08 Jun 2017 - 05:59 UTC Fri 09 Jun 2017

    ISSUED 21:15 UTC Wed 07 Jun 2017

    ISSUED BY: Dan

    A complex pattern on Thursday with a broadscale upper trough slowly migrating eastwards across Ireland thence the British Isles later and overnight into Friday. Several areas of possible thunderstorms exist...


    ... IRELAND / NORTHERN IRELAND ...
    Behind the frontal wave / occlusion on Thursday morning, cloud breaks should allow better insolation to occur. Given cold air aloft courtesy of upper trough and steep mid-level lapse rates, 600-900 Jkg-1 CAPE will be present provided there is sufficient post-frontal heating, with dewpoints in the 11-14C range. As a result, scattered showers and thunderstorms are expected to develop across portions of Ireland, moving NE-wards and expanding in coverage with time.
    Deep convection that occurs earlier on in the afternoon will benefit from 20-30kts DLS (this generally reducing through the afternoon as the upper trough moves overhead) helping to aid some organisation, which given the degree of instability may produce hail of 2.0-2.5cm in diameter - such a risk therefore warrants the issuance of a SVR threat area, although worth stressing that perhaps only 1 (or even 0) reports of hail this size may occur. Given some reasonable cross-model agreement, and convective parameters likely in place, an upgrade to MDT may also be required across northern portions of Ireland into southern Northern Ireland - but some uncertainties exist at present over extent of cloud cover from earlier frontal wave.

    ... SE WALES / GLOCS to LINCS ...
    Low-level convergence, perhaps along the cold front, during the afternoon hours may aid the development of scattered showers, running NE-wards with time along the front. Instability is marginal, but given falling heights aloft and reasonably-steep mid-level lapse rates in a strongly-sheared environment (30-40kts DLS) a low-end SLGT has been issued for some sporadic lightning activity.

    ... SE ENGLAND ...
    During the evening hours, forced ascent will likely help destabilisation of the plume residing over France / BeNeLux. While the bulk of any notable thunderstorms (with prolific lightning) will remain over the nearby Continent and adjacent southern North Sea, a few thunderstorms could develop close to or over SE England and close to the coast of East Anglia - subject to some (W-E) positional errors given the spread in NWP guidance at present. This area may need revising (either expanded or removed) depending on developments during Thursday.

    ... CELTIC SEA to SW WALES / SW ENGLAND ...
    During the evening and night hours, an increase in deep convection coverage is expected over the Celtic Sea spreading eastwards towards SW Wales and SW England as the upper trough and associated steep mid-level lapse rates migrate east over relatively warm SSTs. 20-30kts DLS should aid in some cell organisation, and lightning coverage seems worthy of a SLGT.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,949 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


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    Ireland

    In the centre of the west-European trough, low-topped storms are expected in a weakly-sheared environment. Some large hail may be possible and also a weak tornado due to the low cloud base and low-level buoyancy. Threat seem to be marginal and a level 1 was not issued.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,949 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    An updated Lightning Potential Index from the GFS ( not too sure how accurate it is, will see by this time tomorrow :) )



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Rougies


    The "second" frontal band is much more north and/or intense and/or earlier than modeled. Whether this means low cloud will be less of a surface heating impairment factor tomorrow or it means the instability window is also modeled incorrectly I have no clue. Models are pretty far off as of now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭pad199207


    So far so good I don't think frontal cloud is going to be an issue today.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭dexter647


    A bit of blue sky and sun here in Laois which will help things move along nicely:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    Gone very dark in Galway now with very dark cloud over the Bay, perhaps perhaps !!!!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    Just had unreal rain in Galway got very dark no sparks but lots of floods on the roads in the City


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Beautiful convection already


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,170 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    12pm TAF's issued.

    Shannon : 40% prob Thunderstorm Rain-Graupel 1pm-9pm

    Knock: 40% prob Thunderstorm Rain-Graupel 1pm-7pm

    Dublin: 40% prob Thunderstorm Rain-Graupel 3pm-9pm

    Cork: 30% prob Thunderstorm Rain-Graupel 7pm-10pm

    Belfast Aldergrove 40% prob Heavy Thunderstorm Rain 1pm-11pm


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,212 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    Just had unreal rain in Galway got very dark no sparks but lots of floods on the roads in the City

    We JUSt escaped the worst of that in east Galway
    Lovely day :(

    Genuinely heard farmers complaining about the wet land today
    F OFF
    Complaining about drought 2 weeks ago!!!!!
    Its Ireland . The rain will come . And when it does .........


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,112 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    km79 wrote: »
    We JUSt escaped the worst of that in east Galway
    Lovely day :(
    Don't speak too soon, look at the Met.ie radar! :eek:
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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,068 ✭✭✭Iancar29


    My thoughts for today folks, sorry can't be on much today to give more updates. Short period of coupled bulk shear to give potential for large hail. Watch out for gust front structure before it all turns into a mess moving North this eve.
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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,360 ✭✭✭lolie


    Hearing rumbles both sides of me in Ballyjamesduff and oldcastle directions. Starting early


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Sparks in Kildare and Meath


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    Sparks and torrential rain near kells


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,949 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58




  • Registered Users Posts: 526 ✭✭✭To Alcohol


    pad199207 wrote: »
    Beautiful convection already

    Wont be back in Kildare until 6pm. Will the show be over by then?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 3,963 Mod ✭✭✭✭Planet X


    This day last week, same? Thunder and lightning in the East in the afternoon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Nenagh area sparking up now too


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,949 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Good clear spells now in Kerry and temp picking up yet a modest 16C atm. Convection really powering up now with multiple cells moving inland on a freshening SW wind. RH 80%.

    By the looks of it we could be in for a lively afternoon / early evening.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,170 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Some amazing cloud tops visible in West Clare.


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