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Convective/Thunderstorm Discussion : Spring/Summer 2017

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,949 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    http://www.convectiveweather.co.uk/forecast.php?date=2017-08-17

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    Day 2 Convective Outlook
    VALID 06:00 UTC Thu 17 Aug 2017 - 05:59 UTC Fri 18 Aug 2017

    ISSUED 21:48 UTC Wed 16 Aug 2017

    ISSUED BY: Dan

    Cool air aloft associated with a shortwave moving NE-wards on Thursday will generate several hundred Jkg-1 CAPE when combined with diurnal heating - however, probably slightly out of sync (too fast) with the diurnal cycle, with a peak in potential around early afternoon over eastern England, and reducing from mid afternoon for most areas except NE Scotland where the pivoting trough will clear slowest. Nonetheless, a few scattered showers are likely, perhaps weakly-electrified, focussed along areas of wind convergence (such as peninsula convergence from SW England - East Anglia) but probably fairly isolated given quite dry profiles.


    Lightning potential increases further overnight as the main longwave trough swings eastwards, accompanied by much steeper lapse rates. SLGTs have been issued where an increase in deep convection is expected, with showers becoming numerous, some producing hail and lightning. Gusty winds will also be possible with the most intense cells.

    SE England also needs monitoring for the potential for an upgrade to SLGT during the late evening hours as the approaching trough induces a wave along the old frontal boundary over France, perhaps allowing some elevated instability to move NE-wards over the English Channel and potentially get close to parts of SE England. Confidence is not high enough for an upgrade at present, but may be added if necessary in any later updates.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭pad199207


    F&%#kin typical ireland skipped as if it's not there. Liverpool and Manchester area lights up


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,949 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


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    British Isles

    A highly dynamic situation evolves late in the period due to an intense trough moving into the British Isles. Its tropopause fault will cause lift and steep lapse rates will evolve. Low-level moisture will decrease from the west, however, warm sea surface will limit the moisture decrease somewhat. Currently, models do not indicate the development of a well-defined low-level convergence line that could support a convective line capable of producing severe wind gusts and tornadoes. Instead, only isolated showers and thunderstorms are expected, capable of producing gusty to locally severe wind gusts and also a tornado is not ruled out. The situation must be monitored in the next model runs as severe potential can increase if linear organization of storms occurs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭jimmynokia


    According to some of the usual you know whos in the media,hurricane gert is going to slam Ireland..


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,169 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    jimmynokia wrote: »
    According to some of the usual you know whos in the media,hurricane get is going to slam Ireland..

    I'll prepare myself for the heaviest light rain and the strongest light breeze ever recorded so;)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,781 ✭✭✭Comhrá


    jimmynokia wrote: »
    According to some of the usual you know whos in the media,hurricane gert is going to slam Ireland..

    Indeed......a wet day in the Southwest with fresh Westerly winds, easing later, that'll be our 'hurricane' event, most likely.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,949 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


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    Will see in the next few hours if thunderstorms break out in the W and NW and maybe a few down our way on the Kerry coast in the early hours. A couple of big showers going through here this evening, very localized.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭jimmynokia


    Getting windy all of a sudden and dark in DN22 some drops of rain


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Driving through Westmeath just been through a crazy intense hail shower.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Bucketing down here D20


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donegal Storm


    Plenty of heavy rain in Donegal these past few hours, doesn't look or feel thundery though looking at the radar there's definitely a lot of convection going on so wouldn't be surprised if a few cells kick off


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,949 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Looks like a squall line travelling through Munster

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭jprboy


    Looks like a squall line travelling through Munster

    I'm near the northern side of that.

    We had some very heavy rain for a while alright but no sudden gusts or wind of any description.


  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭spoonerhead


    Lightening strike just east of D12 about ten minutes ago. Always the best ones when it's completely unexpected and during the night!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭PukkaStukka


    Lightening strike just east of D12 about ten minutes ago. Always the best ones when it's completely unexpected and during the night!
    Blitzortung showing a few strikes over Dublin bay just off Howth


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭Trebor176


    Lightening strike just east of D12 about ten minutes ago. Always the best ones when it's completely unexpected and during the night!

    Nothing here in D22. And, it's not far from D12. It's been a miserable evening! It sounds like a winter's night out there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Gas the way most of the thunder activity was due for the west tonight, most of it happening in the east


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,355 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    pad199207 wrote: »
    Gas the way most of the thunder activity was due for the west tonight, most of it happening in the east

    Yeah...... Gas.....


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭Trebor176


    pad199207 wrote: »
    Gas the way most of the thunder activity was due for the west tonight, most of it happening in the east

    It's hardly anything to write home about, though. A few strikes off the east coast, one near to Dublin 12. . .overall, pretty uneventful.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭PukkaStukka


    To be fair, I think Pad meant "ironic" rather "funny" in the literal sense with his use of the word "gas" :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,236 ✭✭✭highdef


    Thunderstorm south of naas


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,949 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Not a lot of activity last night / today in or a round Ireland but look at the UK!


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,949 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Monday looks quite warm in many areas especially the midlands and the East. Charts at this early stage are showing a lot of CAPE and high Dew Point readings in the humid air under a fair amount of DLS and some high Theta E readings in the W and NW. Met Eireann have forecasted 'with further rain, which will be heavy and thundery in western and northwestern areas'.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,949 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    http://www.convectiveweather.co.uk/forecast.php?date=2017-08-20

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    Day 2 Convective Outlook
    VALID 06:00 UTC Sun 20 Aug 2017 - 05:59 UTC Mon 21 Aug 2017

    ISSUED 20:17 UTC Sat 19 Aug 2017

    ISSUED BY: Dan

    Approaching Atlantic frontal system on Sunday, containing the remnants of Hurricane Gert, will be characterised by advection of a high WBPT airmass northeastwards across Ireland and western Britain. Very moist low- and mid-levels with saturated profiles will result in marginal instability and a very low risk of lightning, but some forcing aloft could release some elevated instability capable of producing some isolated / sporadic lightning - this perhaps more likely over the Republic of Ireland / Northern Ireland during the evening and/or overnight, though in reality very little (if any) may occur. Main risk would be from localised flooding from any heavy downpours courtesy of embedded convective elements.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,949 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Interesting charts but most of the precipitation tomorrow is forecast for the W, NW and N. Will we see some homegrown convection bubbling up in the midlands tomorrow.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    Live stream of a approaching storm in the US. (with sound!)

    Make sure you are on the west facing camera and you can rewind by 4 hours if you miss it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifmuEH-Lg1c


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    Recent strike off the Mayo coast


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Risk is low but Tuesday could be worth keeping an eye on with humidity high and warm surface temps, could trigger a few random storms over the country.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,949 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    http://www.convectiveweather.co.uk/forecast.php?date=2017-08-21

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    Day 2 Convective Outlook
    VALID 06:00 UTC Mon 21 Aug 2017 - 05:59 UTC Tue 22 Aug 2017

    ISSUED 20:45 UTC Sun 20 Aug 2017

    ISSUED BY: Dan

    Another day with very moist low- and mid-levels with saturated profiles resulting in marginal instability and a very low risk of lightning, but some forcing aloft could release some elevated instability capable of producing some isolated / sporadic lightning - this perhaps most likely over the Republic of Ireland / Northern Ireland, though in reality very little (if any) may occur. Main risk would be from localised flooding from any heavy downpours courtesy of embedded convective elements. Chance of some surface-based convection developing late afternoon / early evening within the warm sector should any sufficient gaps in the cloud cover develop over Ireland - given some decent shear, very low cloud bases and backed surface winds, this could produce a tornado (but is considered a very low probability of occurring).


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,949 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Bust today with regards to sferics, plenty of heavy convective rain.

    IMO Tomorrow looks like a better chance with an area of convergence up along the Western side of the country with the passage of a trough and what looks like a slow moving ( if not stalling ) Cold front in the W /NW, N moving into the warm, humid airmass. Good DLS and lower layer shear. Colder mid and upper temps move in from the W later in the night /early morning leading to more instability off the NW coast. We will see :)

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