"Cycle Support" vehicle

AndrewJRenko

Patww79 wrote: »

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Bloody immigrants coming over here, directing our traffic...

OldMrBrennan83

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robyntmorton

I think it just happened to be where the van was sourced from. When I was onboard with them a couple of weeks ago (mechanical failure while cycling with the group) it was an Irish guy driving. They're there to pick up anyone who has to stop, and keep the cyclists in front safe. They're not there to (intentionally) enrage motorists, as that gets bad for all concerned.

Trojan

On a charity cycle I was on, not only were some of the cyclists Gardai taking part, but the entire paramedic crew on the ambulance were actually off-duty Gardai too. I wouldn't make assumptions about any organised cycle not having official Gardai support.

sdanseo

easygoing39 wrote: »

I've done many a race/charity events with lead vehicles with strobe lights and Garda outriders,never have I seen the vehicles pulled over by the Garda outriders.So if the Guards dont have a problem why do you????

I should make it clear: I have no issue with being slowed down by an organised event. As I mentioned in the OP cyclists are perfectly entitled to share the road as much as motorists, and I cycle occasionally myself. My question was about how safely it was handled. There were no Garda vehicles in sight, which would have put my mind at ease. I asked if their actions were legal, I didn't say it bothers me. What bothers me is the fact that they took over the entire road without Gardaí present. That's not a figure of speech, it's what they did.. they were signalling other vehicles to stop and at one point a cyclist marshal blocked oncoming traffic to allow them all to turn. That's what I meant by "furthering the idea of militant cyclists".

easygoing39 wrote: »

Its a pity the OP does'nt know the rules of the road.You can pass a slow moving vehicle/horse/cyclist on a solid white line.I'd be worried about what other rules of the road the OP does'nt know???

Eric too does'nt seem to know the rules of the road either.Cyclist are allowed to cycle 2 abreast.And I've cycled with a Lucan based club, I'd wager any amount of money that they were'nt 3 abreast as Eric states.I think Eric needs to go the Specsavers or stop driving,as he clearly has trouble observing events on the road.

I was there, and I can tell you that they were in fact 3 abreast. Yes, you can overtake an obstruction on a solid line and I would do so happily with a single cyclist or if there was verge cutting or something like that.

What I wouldn't do is overtake a pack of several tens of cyclists and a van on a blind bend all at the same time, because although the van driver likes to think it's clear ahead, I'd like to use my own judgement before I potentially put myself into a 160km/h closing speed head on. I mean, if it's all the same to you - because you seem to know me better than I know myself.

My query was whether this is the done thing. Not whether or not I knew the rules of the road.

Trojan wrote: »

On a charity cycle I was on, not only were some of the cyclists Gardai taking part, but the entire paramedic crew on the ambulance were actually off-duty Gardai too. I wouldn't make assumptions about any organised cycle not having official Gardai support.

Off duty Gardaí taking part doesn't make it a Garda escort.

biko wrote: »

The people in Cycling forum can probably help best with specifics as they do a lot of road cycling with support vehicles but it's way too late now to move this thread there

I didn't have a death wish!

07Lapierre

sdanseo wrote: »

I should make it clear: I have no issue with being slowed down by an organised event. As I mentioned in the OP cyclists are perfectly entitled to share the road as much as motorists, and I cycle occasionally myself. My question was about how safely it was handled. There were no Garda vehicles in sight, which would have put my mind at ease. I asked if their actions were legal, I didn't say it bothers me. What bothers me is the fact that they took over the entire road without Gardaí present. That's not a figure of speech, it's what they did.. they were signalling other vehicles to stop and at one point a cyclist marshal blocked oncoming traffic to allow them all to turn. That's what I meant by "furthering the idea of militant cyclists".



I was there, and I can tell you that they were in fact 3 abreast. Yes, you can overtake an obstruction on a solid line and I would do so happily with a single cyclist or if there was verge cutting or something like that.

What I wouldn't do is overtake a pack of several tens of cyclists and a van on a blind bend all at the same time, because although the van driver likes to think it's clear ahead, I'd like to use my own judgement before I potentially put myself into a 160km/h closing speed head on. I mean, if it's all the same to you - because you seem to know me better than I know myself.

My query was whether this is the done thing. Not whether or not I knew the rules of the road.



Off duty Gardaí taking part doesn't make it a Garda escort.



I didn't have a death wish!

Ah C'mon... we're not that bad on the cycling forum! Some of us even read the motors forum! I have a car and everything!

stecleary

punisher5112 wrote: »

I have no problems them cycling two a breast but only on suitable roads as it can be very dangerous as people inevitably get impatient which of course is no excuse but its more a safety observation.

just a little point on this.
Is safer for both the cyclists and driver to stay two abreast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJiixtKuVq8

glic71rods46t0

The biggest mistake is to expect reasonable behaviour from cyclists in organised groups like this. The only thing to do is get as much video evidence of their reckless, selfish behaviour as possible, especially the support vehicles/marshals. Make an official complaint to gardai regarding their behaviour and be sure to follow it up with all footage.
It has been very effective in banning lots of events Meath and North Dublin. It is very satisfying when caught up in this kind of crap, to film it - dash cam and phone - and realise that you are about to get another one banned for being dangerous, reckless and selfish w@nkers

Mod note - banned from thread

AndrewJRenko

dkrmub7gj31n4s wrote: »

It has been very effective in banning lots of events Meath and North Dublin.

What specific events have been banned in Meath in North Dublin as a result of complaints like this?

coolbeans

dkrmub7gj31n4s wrote: »

The biggest mistake is to expect reasonable behaviour from cyclists in organised groups like this. The only thing to do is get as much video evidence of their reckless, selfish behaviour as possible, especially the support vehicles/marshals. Make an official complaint to gardai regarding their behaviour and be sure to follow it up with all footage.
It has been very effective in banning lots of events Meath and North Dublin. It is very satisfying when caught up in this kind of crap, to film it - dash cam and phone - and realise that you are about to get another one banned for being dangerous, reckless and selfish w@nkers

None of the above happened Walter Mitty.

tc20

Beer Assistant wrote: »

That group you came upon escorted by Northern registered vehicles would have been the Maynooth Galway cycle charity group, the vehicles and cycle Marchals are all in communication with each other by way of two way radios, so if the driver/cyclist at the back was waving you through it's because the lead vehicle/cyclist was relaying back to him that the road ahead was clear of traffic and was safe for vehicles to pass.

as a driver and daily commuting cyclist, who lives in wicklow, so is used to groups in the hills, i'd still be very wary of some geezer waving me on - i'll make that decision myself thanks.
just my 2c

cython

dkrmub7gj31n4s wrote: »

The biggest mistake is to expect reasonable behaviour from cyclists in organised groups like this. The only thing to do is get as much video evidence of their reckless, selfish behaviour as possible, especially the support vehicles/marshals. Make an official complaint to gardai regarding their behaviour and be sure to follow it up with all footage.
It has been very effective in banning lots of events Meath and North Dublin. It is very satisfying when caught up in this kind of crap, to film it - dash cam and phone - and realise that you are about to get another one banned for being dangerous, reckless and selfish w@nkers

By all means do the bolded. I mean if you're on your own in the car I'm sure the Gardaí would love to have someone submit evidence/an admission of themselves using their phone while driving, and to do their job for them! Given that (as people have said) footage has not actually had the effect elsewhere that you describe, that's about all that can reasonably be expected from such a course of action.

ThisRegard

dkrmub7gj31n4s wrote: »

The biggest mistake is to expect reasonable behaviour from cyclists in organised groups like this. The only thing to do is get as much video evidence of their reckless, selfish behaviour as possible, especially the support vehicles/marshals. Make an official complaint to gardai regarding their behaviour and be sure to follow it up with all footage.
It has been very effective in banning lots of events Meath and North Dublin. It is very satisfying when caught up in this kind of crap, to film it - dash cam and phone - and realise that you are about to get another one banned for being dangerous, reckless and selfish w@nkers

You're still here with your extremely unhealthy obsession with cyclists?

Cabaal

Eric Cartman wrote: »

cycling in groups of more than 10 bikes should require the same permit as a slow moving parade would require. Its an obstruction to the road, and these cycling groups are a menace.

Generally speaking such a group will be moving at around 30km hour or more, you've stood at parades that move that fast?

If you think anything moving at 30km hour needs a permit then it seems tractors will need them too.

Just in case you claim tractors don't go that slow, plenty of times I've been out running and have managed to overtake a tractor driving along while running! It was a push but I still managed it

tossy

Cabaal wrote: »

Generally speaking such a group will be moving at around 30km hour or more, you've stood at parades that move that fast?

If you think anything moving at 30km hour needs a permit then it seems tractors will need them too.

Just in case you claim tractors don't go that slow, plenty of times I've been out running and have managed to overtake a tractor driving along while running! It was a push but I still managed it

A tractor is moving in unison as it's one solid vehicle, it doesn't change shape,width or length as it moves. It also doesn't have a self entitled smug confrontational attitude as it's a machine (dear cyclists this is a joke <)

There are a few posters posting here with an obvious bias towards cyclists there is no doubt about that but there are equally a few cyclists posting with a preempted anger and confrontational attitude towards motorists - which is i imagine exactly how they are when they are out cycling. We are not on the road now lads can't we all just get along and find away to share the tarmac.

biko

Hope you got an answer OP. If not, try the cycling forum but read their charter before posting there.