why are the Irish navy recusing Islamic State Terrorist in the Med

thejourney

I seen recently read in a new paper that the Irish navy were involved in recusing Individuals in the med. These so called Refugees where men of fighting age. They were pulled from the sea and ended up in Germany. They were gather up in a morning raid on suspected terror charges. They were noted to have been saved by the Irish navy when there boat turn over.


I know the navy is not a really navy like Uk, USA. Russia etc

But what business has it recusing IS terrorist encouraging them to come to Europe?

LeinsterDub

thejourney wrote: »

I seen recently read in a new paper that the Irish navy were involved in recusing Individuals in the med. These so called Refugees where men of fighting age. They were pulled from the sea and ended up in Germany. They were gather up in a morning raid on suspected terror charges. They were noted to have been saved by the Irish navy when there boat turn over.


I know the navy is not a really navy like Uk, USA. Russia etc

But what business has it recusing IS terrorist encouraging them to come to Europe?

Drowning people don't have much time to fill in forms

hungry hypno toad

thejourney wrote: »

I seen recently read in a new paper that the Irish navy were involved in recusing Individuals in the med. These so called Refugees where men of fighting age. They were pulled from the sea and ended up in Germany. They were gather up in a morning raid on suspected terror charges. They were noted to have been saved by the Irish navy when there boat turn over.


I know the navy is not a really navy like Uk, USA. Russia etc

But what business has it recusing IS terrorist encouraging them to come to Europe?

Are you sure they weren't just mentally unstable?

thejourney

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Drowning people don't have a much time to fill in forms

And thats there excuse ? So why are they not bring them back to a port in North Africa

Victor

thejourney wrote: »

And thats there excuse ? So why are they not bring them back to a port in North Africa

Because Libya is fundamentally unstable and there is inter-ethnic fighting. Returning them to a port could result in innocent people being killed.

However, move are afoot to allow foreign navies to operate in Libyan waters, thereby depriving the smugglers of an operating area.

Victor

thejourney wrote: »

why are the Irish navy recusing Islamic State Terrorist in the Med

Do you mean "rescue" - a very different word?

I seen recently read in a new paper

Link?

that the Irish navy were involved in recusing Individuals in the med.

Rescuing tens of thousands of people, yes. And you think a handful might have terrorist connections?

But what business has it recusing IS terrorist encouraging them to come to Europe?

How did the Naval Service encourage them to to come to Europe?

thejourney

Victor wrote: »

Do you mean "rescue" - a very different word?

Link?

Rescuing tens of thousands of people, yes. And you think a handful might have terrorist connections?

How did the Naval Service encourage them to to come to Europe?

Legally they do not have to rescue them. So why get involved They went there on purpose to rescue them, who sent them?!

cajonlardo

thejourney wrote: »

Legally they do not have to rescue them. So why get involved They went there on purpose to rescue them, who sent them?!

Legally they most certainly DO have to.

Here is why.

Ireland is a democracy.
As you no doubt understand, this means that we have a Government elected by the majority of voters. The defense forces do not take it into their heads to just sail off to the med for a bit of rescue. They were ORDERED by the minister to go.

So, full circle and back to yourself. Address your indignation to your elected representative.

BTW, my own personal opinion is that I don't agree with how the entire situation is being handled and , yes, I have contacted 3 local representatives.

thejourney

cajonlardo wrote: »

Legally they most certainly DO have to.

Here is why.

Ireland is a democracy.
As you no doubt understand, this means that we have a Government elected by the majority of voters. The defense forces do not take it into their heads to just sail off to the med for a bit of rescue. They were ORDERED by the minister to go.

So, full circle and back to yourself. Address your indignation to your elected representative.

BTW, my own personal opinion is that I don't agree with how the entire situation is being handled and , yes, I have contacted 3 local representatives.

Thanks for the answer.

No Minster should have made that order, without the backing of the house.

What next , Send the irish army to sudan

The army should be independent of the government

sparky42

thejourney wrote: »

Thanks for the answer.

No Minster should have made that order, without the backing of the house.

What next , Send the irish army to sudan

The army should be independent of the government

WTF???

Also the Daíl has discussed the deployment on many occasions, can't think of any party/TD that has objected to rescuing people.
And also yes every ship has a legal requirement to come to the aid of those in distress at see.

thejourney

sparky42 wrote: »

WTF???

There are independent in many countries all over the world

Turkey etc

sparky42

thejourney wrote: »

There are independent in many countries all over the world

Turkey etc

No, no they aren't.
Forgive me but what age are you?

thejourney

sparky42 wrote: »

No, no they aren't.
Forgive me but what age are you?

Older that you sparky

Yes, they are.

Research it :rolleyes:

Harry Palmr

thejourney wrote: »

There are independent in many countries all over the world

Turkey etc

Er do you think that because part of the Turkish Army attempted a coup a little while ago?

Any army that was independent of the state wouldn't be an Army, it would be an insurgency

Victor

thejourney wrote: »

No Minster should have made that order, without the backing of the house.

I think you'll find there was support.

What next , Send the irish army to sudan

Why would we do that?

The army should be independent of the government

What?

ongarite

Army is far from independent in Turkey.
Your statement would have true with the foundations of the state of Turkey but in recent times & especially since the failed coup, the president & army are one in the same.

Harry Palmr

I just checked this fellas history, he must hold a record for greatest % of started threads that get locked - this one will soon join them.

Barry Badrinath

thejourney wrote: »

Older that you sparky

Yes, they are.

Research it :rolleyes:

I think you need to research more instead of telling others to.

Your posts are completely illinformed and off the mark.

thejourney

Victor wrote: »

I think you'll find there was support.

Why would we do that?

What?

Do you have the vote in the house?

Never happened

Government making military commands

sparky42

thejourney wrote: »

Government making military commands

Does an Army declare war on another nation, or does the Government?

Militaries are not "independent" of their Governments, the Government tells them what to do, and then (ideally) leaves it up to the military to carry out the operation.

sparky42

thejourney wrote: »

Older that you sparky

If you are, then you are remarkable ill educated imo with what you have posted.

thejourney

sparky42 wrote: »

If you are, then you are remarkable ill educated imo with what you have posted.

Far from Ill educated. haha But you keep thinking that

I'd suspect you're sparky, working away. Thinking guys like me are dumb and the likes

Thats what I love about this country

sparky42

thejourney wrote: »

Far from Ill educated. haha But you keep thinking that

I'd suspect you're sparky, working away. Thinking guys like me are dumb and the likes

Thats what I love about this country

Looks at your posts here, yeah "thinking guys":rolleyes:

JamesM

thejourney wrote: »

I seen recently read in a new paper that the Irish navy were involved in recusing Individuals in the med. These so called Refugees where men of fighting age. They were pulled from the sea and ended up in Germany. They were gather up in a morning raid on suspected terror charges. They were noted to have been saved by the Irish navy when there boat turn over.


I know the navy is not a really navy like Uk, USA. Russia etc

But what business has it recusing IS terrorist encouraging them to come to Europe?

International Maritime Law
The shipmaster has an obligation to render assistance to those in distress at sea without regard to their nationality, status or the circumstances in which they are found. This is a longstanding maritime tradition as well as an
obligation enshrined in international law. Compliance with this obligation is essential to preserve the integrity of maritime search and rescue services. It is based on, inter alia, two essential texts: UNCLOS and SOLAS

Manic Moran

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I just checked this fellas history, he must hold a record for greatest % of started threads that get locked - this one will soon join them.

I have to admit to a morbid curiosity as to where this would go.

Anyway...

[Mod]OK journey. The essence of your question has been answered. If you want to debate the merits of bringing rescuees to the EU, and the use of our military to do it, hop on over to Politics. [/Mod]