BE strike [Read 1st post before posting]

n97 mini

ThisRegard wrote: »

State pays statutory, no mention yet of what's in addition to that, although I don't imagine it'll be too little.

Public employees don't tend to pay overly generous severence packages.

Stephen15

paulboland wrote: »

Has been what for a lot of people???

Are you affected by the bus strike at all I'm curious
Do you live in Dublin or drive a Car

Or live near a railway or a have private run through your neck of the woods or dont live served by BE at all.

paulboland

devnull wrote: »

They do cover off peak hours.

Aircoach run 24 hours on their three Dublin routes and have by far the widest range of departures on their intercity routes compared with the competition starting earlier and finishing later.

As for operation setup you will find they are a full 24x7 operation. They have to be because of the fact their services are but of course they would need to hire more drivers if they start new routes.

Not sure what point you are trying to make but privates are operating some 24 hour services without a penny from the state. Bus Eireann are only doing it because they are paid to.

Does Aircoach cover every county and every Bus Route in Rep of Ireland no is the answer nor do have the ability or staff or Buses to do so

Do you live in Dublin by any chance or Drive a Car

If you rely on Dublin Bus or Dart or Luas or Irish Rail you might get to experience soon what Bus Eireann commuters been experiencing the past 18 days

Could you cope without these services if you live in Dublin and not drive a Car

Aircoach is not a transport service that can provide transport to all passengers outside Dublin so its not a a good example to pick from

n97 mini

Voipjunkie wrote: »

Well I'm only going on the media reports that the company and unions have agreed to voluntary redundancy, are you suggesting the company is entering into a commitment they have no prospect or no idea how they will fund it ?

It's conditional on the company being able to fund it.

As was mentioned in the media reports.

L1011

Del.Monte wrote: »

He got Stepaside Garda station reopened

It hasn't been reopened. They have said the "reopening will be announced", but it hasn't been.

MJohnston

paulboland wrote: »

Does Aircoach cover every county and every Bus Route in Rep of Ireland no is the answer nor do have the ability or staff or Buses to do so

Of course they don't, because they don't receive public funds to do so. Not yet anyway.

Graham

paulboland wrote: »

Does Aircoach cover every county and every Bus Route in Rep of Ireland no is the answer nor do have the ability or staff or Buses to do so

BE don't provide 24hr service in ever county either.

In fact they don't currently provide ANY service. Hence the discussion, about the strike.

paulboland

MJohnston wrote: »

Of course they don't, because they don't receive public funds to do so. Not yet anyway.

If they got the PSO routes how long to you think it would take to be up and running to cover the routes


It would take months

devnull

paulboland wrote: »

Does Aircoach cover every county and every Bus Route in Rep of Ireland no is the answer nor do have the ability or staff or Buses to do so

Do you live in Dublin by any chance or Drive a Car

If you rely on Dublin Bus or Dart or Luas or Irish Rail you might get to experience soon what Bus Eireann commuters been experiencing the past 18 days

Could you cope without these services if you live in Dublin and not drive a Car

Aircoach is not a transport service that can provide transport to all passengers outside Dublin so its not a a good example to pick from

You said that they didn't operate off peak services. I told you that you were wrong and backed it up. I answered your point that you made in your post.

Now you are completely changing the topic from the post I originally answered and saying that it's not a good example of something you didn't even say in the message I replied to?

Stephen15

paulboland wrote: »

Aircoach is not a transport service that can provide transport to all passengers outside Dublin so its not a a good example to pick from

It only brings passengers from one destination to another definitely not a transport service to me

ThisRegard

n97 mini wrote: »

Public employees don't tend to pay overly generous severence packages.

Might have given you a great pension package at one time though when looking to reduce headcount.

Graham

n97 mini wrote: »

It's conditional on the company being able to fund it.

As was mentioned in the media reports.

I vaguely recall something about CIE funding redundancies, must see if I can find a link.

L1011

paulboland wrote: »

If they got the PSO routes how long to you think it would take to be up and running to cover the routes


It would take months

With hundreds of buses available from the NTA or otherwise for purchase from the older BE stock; masses of unemployed drivers and existing backend systems (they are part of a multinational, remember) and so on - not very long.

howiya

paulboland wrote: »

Has been what for a lot of people???

Are you affected by the bus strike at all I'm curious
Do you live in Dublin or drive a Car

Ask the 110,000 commuters each day affected what answer you expecting from them

The business that are now close to going out of business due to the strike ask them also

There is a lot of the public with no choice of private transport to use at the moment and Bus Eireann is the only transport provider

110,000 people is a very small percentage of the population. There's no doubt that the strike has discomoded people but a lot of those 110,000 have got by without BE. My brother lives on a route that has no private competition but he has managed to make it into work for the majority of the strike. He took annual leave two of the days as he couldn't organise a lift.

He's been complaining about the strike but when BE were operating he'd always be complaining about them anyway

The unions thought Ireland would come to a standstill without BE and they've been proven very wrong.

Your own situation is unfortunate but I think it's more of an exception than the rule

Voipjunkie

kiaronh wrote: »

Or we could use logic.

Three weeks ago BE needed to cut costs by 6 million.

Since then BE have lost 18 days of income and the drivers have lost 18 days earnings (slightly offset by strike pay).

So the total cuts will have to be more.



It is entirely possible that the drivers prefer this system of redundancies and pay cuts rather than just pay cuts. But if this is the case they could have suggested it three weeks ago and saved a lot of hassle for everyone.

At the time their best offer was less than 0.5 million in cuts to overtime, with the rest presumably coming from the tooth fairy.

I know that some people here will want to spin whatever is agreed as a grand victory for "our boys" but the truth is that this has been a disaster for all concerned. And it's sad that 18 days in this is only slowly sinking in now.

Logic ?

Logic is we need 3 million ask for 6, don't believe all the head lines you read, very little of it is true from either side.

The only clear saving is redundancies from the total or partial closure of expressway,

Consolidated pay doesn't necessarily mean less pay it can just mean pay is no longer basic+ shift + Sunday premium, plus bank holiday etc just a larger basic that takes account of all of those, afaik that's how Luas employees are paid.

Picking up empty coke cans and papers is not a multi million euro saver.

I remember Siptu and the NBRU banging heads about this a few months back, O'Leary said some expressway would probably have to go, Siptu said no, so not exactly a new or novel suggestion

https://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1211/838134-bus-union-routes/

That's from December last year,

paulboland

devnull wrote: »

You said that they didn't operate off peak services. I told you that you were wrong and backed it up. I answered your point that you made in your post.

Now you are completely changing the topic from the post I originally answered and saying that it's not a good example of something you didn't even say in the message I replied to?

One private bus operator covering off peak what about all the other private bus operators

Majority of the private bus operators don't cover off peak hours

Easy to point out one operator
What about all the other towns with no private bus operators or the few that only cover peak hours if you lived in a town affected by this you would understand

I'm beginning to think a lot of the posters in the thread live in Dublin or drive a car and are not even affected by the strike

The best solution is strike ends and Bus Eireann buses get back running to the thousands of commuters who been left with no transport at all as in nothing and it's a lot of the public.

Voipjunkie

L1011 wrote: »

With hundreds of buses available from the NTA or otherwise for purchase from the older BE stock; masses of unemployed drivers and existing backend systems (they are part of a multinational, remember) and so on - not very long.

I love an optimist, this is the same NTA that have been tendering the 10% of bus eireann and Dublin bus for the last 4 years.

Stephen15

Voipjunkie wrote: »

I remember Siptu and the NBRU banging heads about this a few months back, O'Leary said some expressway would probably have to go, Siptu said no, so not exactly a new or novel suggestion

https://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1211/838134-bus-union-routes/

That's from December last year,

I'm surprised the NBRU would accept measures and SIPTU would go against I would imagine it would be the other way around.

kiaronh

Voipjunkie wrote: »

Logic ?

Logic is we need 3 million ask for 6, don't believe all the head lines you read, very little of it is true from either side.

I wasn't reading the headlines. I was reading the last set of BE annual reports. Where BE made a loss of 6 million.

And finding themselves is in a deeper hole BE will have to make deeper cuts.

The only clear saving is redundancies from the total or partial closure of expressway,

Consolidated pay doesn't necessarily mean less pay it can just mean pay is no longer basic+ shift + Sunday premium, plus bank holiday etc just a larger basic that takes account of all of those, afaik that's how Luas employees are paid.

Picking up empty coke cans and papers is not a multi million euro saver.

I remember Siptu and the NBRU banging heads about this a few months back, O'Leary said some expressway would probably have to go, Siptu said no, so not exactly a new or novel suggestion

https://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1211/838134-bus-union-routes/

That's from December last year,

Exactly. We could have gotten to this point without any strikes. Which makes it all more infuriating.

MJohnston

paulboland wrote: »

If they got the PSO routes how long to you think it would take to be up and running to cover the routes


It would take months

I'm not sure how long it would take, I'm not a coach operator, however this is the whole point of the tendering process.
Nobody is suggesting that private operators will start running PSO routes overnight, which is part of the reason the current strike is so damaging.

Voipjunkie

Stephen15 wrote: »

I'm surprised the NBRU would accept measures and SIPTU would go against I would imagine it would be the other way around.

2 unions competing no love lost, if one says its black the other will say it's white. Siptu were probably annoyed that O'Leary was conceding before they had even started taking rather than an actual disagreement with what he said.

paulboland

MJohnston wrote: »

I'm not sure how long it would take, I'm not a coach operator, however this is the whole point of the tendering process.
Nobody is suggesting that private operators will start running PSO routes overnight, which is part of the reason the current strike is so damaging.

Thanks for the more realistic reply than some of the others been posting

I just hope they end the strike and yes some hard decision by some staff drivers will have to take but it's important what we have now get back operating for the public not be affected any more or have to wait and be left wondering

Voipjunkie

kiaronh wrote: »

I wasn't reading the headlines. I was reading the last set of BE annual reports. Where BE made a loss of 6 million.

And finding themselves is in a deeper hole BE will have to make deeper cuts.



Exactly. We could have gotten to this point without any strikes. Which makes it all more infuriating.

It looks like we could well have done, maybe the unions felt they needed some hardship to soften their members into accepting the demise of expressway, or maybe Ross needed a push to fund the voluntary redundancies needed to make it happen

myshirt

The taxpayer should not save a company that cannot survive competition.

To be fair, the employees are getting it in the neck here, and I absolutely wouldn't hire a single one of them in any new company that replaces Bus Eireann, but let's not forget the management who have been piss poor here in letting it get to this stage. They too need to go. The only part of this operation that should be in public ownership is the school runs. The PSO routes can be rendered for, and the market will deal with the rest.

paulboland

howiya wrote: »

110,000 people is a very small percentage of the population. There's no doubt that the strike has discomoded people but a lot of those 110,000 have got by without BE. My brother lives on a route that has no private competition but he has managed to make it into work for the majority of the strike. He took annual leave two of the days as he couldn't organise a lift.

He's been complaining about the strike but when BE were operating he'd always be complaining about them anyway

The unions thought Ireland would come to a standstill without BE and they've been proven very wrong.

Your own situation is unfortunate but I think it's more of an exception than the rule

I got into work each day but at a very expensive cost
It's cost me 480.00 Euro since March 24th to get to work and home again using a Taxi

Some are only slightly affected by the strike but there is a lot like me who have been also serious affected

It's easy for some to post in the thread who are not affected or even close to understanding what some of the public experiencing

Some paying 20 for a taxi is nothing to my 80 a day it's costing me as well as others who have had high costs and no private bus to use

If the strike affected lot more like me and others they would have different take on things

If the strike starts to include Dublin Bus and Dart and Irish Rail the opinions and post will change in a big way

Dublin Bus and Dart and Irish Rail is also funded by the tax payers

L1011

Voipjunkie wrote: »

I love an optimist, this is the same NTA that have been tendering the 10% of bus eireann and Dublin bus for the last 4 years.

Those routes have an incumbent operator and unions threatening strikes if said 10% is tendered

Routes which have been tendered are all operational (Kilkenny stopping service, Durrow-Portlaoise for instance).

In a situation of no operator, I suspect a temporary operation would be in place in under a week with proper tenders issued within weeks

Stephen15

paulboland wrote: »

I got into work each day but at a very expensive cost
It's cost me 480.00 Euro since March 24th to get to work and home again using a Taxi

Some are only slightly affected by the strike but there is a lot like me who have been also serious affected

It's easy for some to post in the thread who are not affected or even close to understanding what some of the public experiencing

Some paying 20 for a taxi is nothing to my 80 a day it's costing me as well as others who have had high costs and no private bus to use

If the strike affected lot more like me and others they would have different take on things

If the strike starts to include Dublin Bus and Dart and Irish Rail the opinions and post will change in a big way

Dublin Bus and Dart and Irish Rail is also funded by the tax payers

You do know Dublin Bus and Luas passengers had to endure their strikes too and The minister never got involved while full BE service was operating during that period. The Luas was on strike on and off for 18 days not so long ago or maybe since you don't live in Dublin you don't.

Banjoxed

myshirt wrote: »

The taxpayer should not save a company that cannot survive competition.

To be fair, the employees are getting it in the neck here, and I absolutely wouldn't hire a single one of them in any new company that replaces Bus Eireann, but let's not forget the management who have been piss poor here in letting it get to this stage. They too need to go. The only part of this operation that should be in public ownership is the school runs. The PSO routes can be rendered for, and the market will deal with the rest.

Rendering? I know boards.ie can be sometimes a bit of a playground for libertarians but rendering BE management and staff might be a tad extreme..

howiya

paulboland wrote: »

If the strike affected lot more like me and others they would have different take on things

But that's the reality that you're missing. It's not affecting as many people. Ireland is getting by. People are resilient. You're proof of that yourself.

I know you've said before you don't want to say much about what you work at so if you can't answer don't. I'm guessing you work part time if it's cost you 480 at 80 a day? At what point would you have said I can't afford to pay to get to work or look for alternative employment?

paulboland

Stephen15 wrote: »

You do know Dublin Bus and Luas passengers had to endure their strikes too and The minister never got involved while full BE service was operating during that period. The Luas was on strike on and off for 18 days not so long ago or maybe since you don't live in Dublin you don't.

Dublin public still had Dart and Dublin Bus and Irish Rail
The loss of the Luas service was minor compared to what the public who live outside dublin been experiencing

Even the Dublin Bus strike was only the odd day

A lot could walk or cycle to work or get a taxi but not the level of costs it costing those outside Dublin


I lived in Dublin for years and giving my age away saw the effect of the Dublin Bus strike in the 70's

Dublin has a lot more transport options than the rest of Rep of Ireland
You need to experience full shutdown of all transport services then you will look at things lot different

Could you cope with no transport options at all if all transport services was on strike in Dublin as in you had no options beside a Taxi and your location of work cost you 80 a day in taxis
Could you cope with this I'm curious

markpb

paulboland wrote: »

Dublin public still had Dart and Dublin Bus and Irish Rail
The loss of the Luas service was minor compared to what the public who live outside dublin been experiencing

Even the Dublin Bus strike was only the odd day

A lot could walk or cycle to work or get a taxi but not the level of costs it costing those outside Dublin

I suspect you haven't lived in Dublin in a very long time. When Dublin Bus drivers go on strike, most of the city is left without public transport. Look at a map of Dublin, the vast majority is not near dart or Luas and the areas that are would see more people switching than trains or trams could carry.

There are nowhere near enough taxis or road capacity to allow those to be an alternative to Dublin Bus.

Public transport strikes affect everyone, stop pretending you're the only one and please stop this Dublin vs the country this, its wrong, irrelevant and petulant. You've been banging the same drum since the strike started.

end of the road

n97 mini wrote: »

The redundancy money has been found? A few hours ago it hadn't.

18 days on strike and the union aren't getting all their demands. A minor victory against the unions, but a victory nonetheless.

nope. there really is no victory against the unions here. both sides in a dispute will always put up more demands then what they are actually looking for and negotiate from there.

howiya wrote: »

110,000 people is a very small percentage of the population. There's no doubt that the strike has discomoded people but a lot of those 110,000 have got by without BE. My brother lives on a route that has no private competition but he has managed to make it into work for the majority of the strike. He took annual leave two of the days as he couldn't organise a lift.

He's been complaining about the strike but when BE were operating he'd always be complaining about them anyway

The unions thought Ireland would come to a standstill without BE and they've been proven very wrong.

Your own situation is unfortunate but I think it's more of an exception than the rule

i disagree, the union's claim that a lot of people would be effected has been proven correct. 110000 people is still a lot of people effected. i'd suggest pauls situation may not be quite the exception to the rule you claim.

myshirt wrote: »

The taxpayer should not save a company that cannot survive competition.

To be fair, the employees are getting it in the neck here, and I absolutely wouldn't hire a single one of them in any new company that replaces Bus Eireann, but let's not forget the management who have been piss poor here in letting it get to this stage. They too need to go. The only part of this operation that should be in public ownership is the school runs. The PSO routes can be rendered for, and the market will deal with the rest.

the tax payer has a duty to save a public service. i as a tax payer am prowd that my money is used for public services. there is absolutely no reason not to hire bus eireann employees, their experience would be welcome in a company, and experienced drivers are what companies most likely tend to go for. the PSO should be publically owned to insure that politicians can still be held responsible for downgrades or cuts if they were ever to happen. bus eireann also should be involved in commercial services to bring more competition to routes.

L1011 wrote: »

Those routes have an incumbent operator and unions threatening strikes if said 10% is tendered

Routes which have been tendered are all operational (Kilkenny stopping service, Durrow-Portlaoise for instance).

In a situation of no operator, I suspect a temporary operation would be in place in under a week with proper tenders issued within weeks

if it takes 4 years and counting to tender 10% of routes, then i'd suggest a weak to have a temporary anything would translate to being a lot longer, possibly years longer.

Graham

end of the road wrote: »

if it takes 4 years and counting to tender 10% of routes, then i'd suggest a weak to have a temporary anything would translate to being a lot longer, possibly years longer.

If BE implodes, I'd give odds that it won't take years.

Stephen15

paulboland wrote: »

Could you cope with no transport options at all if all transport services was on strike in Dublin as in you had no options beside a Taxi and your location of work cost you 80 a day in taxis
Could you cope with this I'm curious

You live in Navan and there is a private bus from Navan to Dublin but you work in Ashbourne and the only form of transport is a BE bus to Ashbourne. I won't say where I live in Cabinteely I had to go to Dun Laoghaire a number of times during the DB strike and I had to go to Donnybrook a few times aswell the only of getting to either destination is by good old Bus Àtha Cliath from Cabinteely the only place I could go was Dublin City centre or Dundrum by Luas which involved a 30+ minute walk. So it was quite disprutive

Most areas in Dublin are exclusively covered by DB I'd say it's a higher proportion than areas in the country outside Dublin exclusively covered by BE.

paulboland

markpb wrote: »

I suspect you haven't lived in Dublin in a very long time. When Dublin Bus drivers go on strike, most of the city is left without public transport. Look at a map of Dublin, the vast majority is not near dart or Luas and the areas that are would see more people switching than trains or trams could carry.

There are nowhere near enough taxis or road capacity to allow those to be an alternative to Dublin Bus.

Public transport strikes affect everyone, stop pretending you're the only one and please stop this Dublin vs the country this, its wrong, irrelevant and petulant. You've been banging the same drum since the strike started.

Dublin Bus strike was nothing compared to Bus Eireann Strike
Dublin bus was not on strike for 18 days it was a minor inconvenience of 1 day or 2 days on and off

The last long bus strike was in the 70's it was 65 days that was a pain and back then we had no dart or luas service and very limited train service

I lived in Dublin for 40 years I do know Dublin very well

L1011

end of the road wrote: »

if it takes 4 years and counting to tender 10% of routes, then i'd suggest a weak to have a temporary anything would translate to being a lot longer, possibly years longer.

A temporary service would not be even vaguely similar to that process.

There'd be a skeleton service within 48 hours realistically. Take a look at what happened when TOCs in the UK handed back or were stripped of franchises.

paulboland

Latest talks are still continuing.

TALKS aimed at ending the Bus Eireann dispute are continuing tonight amid raised hopes a breakthrough could be arrived at by tomorrow morning

Willie Noone
Our members are expecting a proposal that will come out and that will protect their conditions of employment.

“We can’t predict what is going to be in those proposals. Our members will ultimately decide whether they are good enough or not

Mr O’Leary said he was by nature an optimistic person, but he was finding it difficult to be optimistic about ­reaching a solution.

He said: “We will try to get a solution. It is going to be difficult to sell. If we reach a conclusion, we will have to get a proposal and show it to our members.”

Mr O’Leary described the talks process as very difficult for both parties, but that all had given a commitment to the WRC.

He told Newstalk radio he was eager to get documents which he could then show to his members who would vote on the proposal.

Mr O’Leary said: “Whatever we arrive at, it will be the best we can do in the ­circumstances.”


Problem I see here is 2 different unions with different approaches
Hopefully they will have something for the union members to vote on accept and put a end to the strike and get back to work
They are also suffering as they only get 40 euro a day strike pay and you can't claim social benefit while on strike

Stephen15

paulboland wrote: »

Latest talks are still continuing.

TALKS aimed at ending the Bus Eireann dispute are continuing tonight amid raised hopes a breakthrough could be arrived at by tomorrow morning

Willie Noone
Our members are expecting a proposal that will come out and that will protect their conditions of employment.

“We can’t predict what is going to be in those proposals. Our members will ultimately decide whether they are good enough or not

Mr O’Leary said he was by nature an optimistic person, but he was finding it difficult to be optimistic about ­reaching a solution.

He said: “We will try to get a solution. It is going to be difficult to sell. If we reach a conclusion, we will have to get a proposal and show it to our members.”

Mr O’Leary described the talks process as very difficult for both parties, but that all had given a commitment to the WRC.

He told Newstalk radio he was eager to get documents which he could then show to his members who would vote on the proposal.

Mr O’Leary said: “Whatever we arrive at, it will be the best we can do in the ­circumstances.”


Problem I see here is 2 different unions with different approaches
Hopefully they will have something for the union members to vote on accept and put a end to the strike and get back to work
They are also suffering as they only get 40 euro a day strike pay and you can't claim social benefit while on strike

I find it ridiculous why two unions should be allowed in one workplace we've seen it with the teachers now it's the bus drivers. Two unions are too messy.

It's laughable the change in tone of Noone and O'Leary on the news in recent days. Like the dog in the street couldn't have seen this coming :rolleyes:

Laughable if you're not a member of their union that is.

Gone from their high horses to literally throwing members under the bus.

I almost feel sorry for those who have these lads representing them.

howiya

end of the road wrote: »

i disagree, the union's claim that a lot of people would be effected has been proven correct. 110000 people is still a lot of people effected. i'd suggest pauls situation may not be quite the exception to the rule you claim.

110,000 people is less than 2.5% of the population. It would appear that the vast majority of those have been able to make alternative arrangements

I'm not disagreeing that the strike has inconvenienced people but Willie Noone promised to bring the country to a standstill and Dermot O'Leary said it would be the mother of all strikes. Neither has happened

howiya

Stephen15 wrote: »

I find it ridiculous why two unions should be allowed in one workplace we've seen it with the teachers now it's the bus drivers. Two unions are too messy.

It is messy but it's the democratic right of those involved to choose who represents them. There's actually more than two unions involved but only two represent the drivers as far as I'm aware.

And semi-state or public servants are an attractive proposition from a trade union's point of view so I can see why they would compete against each other for membership.

n97 mini

paulboland wrote: »

I got into work each day but at a very expensive cost
It's cost me 480.00 Euro since March 24th to get to work and home again using a TTaxi

I said this before, and I'm not being facetious. Driving is a life skill just like cooking.

For that 480 you could have paid for all your driving lessons and still had change for car hire. You don't need to own a car, but you would be in a position where no transport company including BE could hold you to random. Added benefits are you can travel anywhere in the world once you can drive.

Stephen15

Does anyone know what the hell is happening regarding talks I though a resolution would have been found by now. They said a resolution that would be balloted would be found in the next 24 hours on Sunday.

paulboland

n97 mini wrote: »

I said this before, and I'm not being facetious. Driving is a life skill just like cooking.

For that 480 you could have paid for all your driving lessons and still had change for car hire. You don't need to own a car, but you would be in a position where no transport company including BE could hold you to random. Added benefits are you can travel anywhere in the world once you can drive.

Your missing the whole point of public transport service and it's purpose in any country.

There is a lot of the population that don't drive a car or ever taken driving lessons.

In fact if you drive a car you not even affected by the strike so please do not post to me about taking driving lessons.

You have just proved my point that a good few that posted in this thread drive a car and not even affected by the strike.

Please do not reply to me if you don't even use public transport or live in Dublin and drive a car.

I rather you never driven a car and totally relied on public transport

n97 mini

paulboland wrote: »

Dublin Bus strike was nothing compared to Bus Eireann Strike
Dublin bus was not on strike for 18 days it was a minor inconvenience of 1 day or 2 days on and ooff

I lived in Dublin for 40 years I do know Dublin very well

DB carries vastly more people than BE. In 2016 DB carried 120m people. BE only carried a third of that.

n97 mini

paulboland wrote: »

I rather you never driven a car and totally relied on public transport

Why? I've one life, I want to make the most of it. I didn't learn to drive so I could avoid being a victim of SIPTU or the NBRU either, but it's handy that I have that skill.

Graham

paulboland wrote: »

You have just proved my point that a good few that posted in this thread drive a car and not even affected by the strike.

Why would you think this thread is restricted to BE users?

paulboland

n97 mini wrote: »

Why? I've one life, I want to make the most of it. I didn't learn to drive so I could avoid being a victim of SIPTU or the NBRU either, but it's handy that I have that skill.

If you drive a car you got no understanding of the impact of a bus strike on commuters that rely on public transport.

All you have to deal with is some extra traffic on roads during a strike which is nothing.

I just even more curious as to how many other posted in this thread posting away not even affect by any transport strike.

Good luck later in life when you can no longer drive a car and totally rely on public transport I will listen to you then.

Goodnight and bye

john boye

paulboland wrote: »

Please do not reply to me if you don't even use public transport or live in Dublin and drive a car.

I rather you never driven a car and totally relied on public transport

Jesus I've just read 6 pages of you repeating the same bitter rubbish about Dublin! Is your beef with the BE strike or is it with Dublin? And yes I live in Dublin before you ask.

paulboland

Graham wrote: »

Why would you think this thread is restricted to BE users?

Are you even affected by the bus eireann strike at all
Yes or No