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Can a tenant withhold rent for repairs

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    #32
    Fol20
    Registered Users Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭Fol20


    pilly wrote: »
    Yeah but would you leave heating not working for 7 weeks?

    Yea 7 weeks is quite a long time, as long as it is reasonable then i suppose..


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    #33
    godtabh
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    Boater123 wrote: »
    And out of curiosity, how much money has the tenant actually handed over in compensation to the LL to date?

    so far just their deposit. 2 years later thats all


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    #34
    [Deleted User]
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    godtabh wrote: »
    so far just their deposit. 2 years later thats all

    Disgraceful, id be at their front door every week kicking up a major fuss looking for my money and make it known to people what time of scum they are living beside, working with etc.


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    #35
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    People are getting mixed up here between the OP's case and others.


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    #36
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    pilly wrote: »
    People are getting mixed up here between the OP's case and others.

    Perhaps my fault, to address that issue:

    No rent can not be withheld. As per post #2


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    #37
    [Deleted User]
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    pilly wrote: »
    People are getting mixed up here between the OP's case and others.

    Not me, my previous post was about the other case being mentioned.


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    #38
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    allibastor wrote: »
    Quick one, I had previously posted about tenat not paying rent,

    I was told by the EA that they have now said that as machine repiars were not done, that is why they withheld the rent.

    Can someone withold the rent for repairs not be done.

    Before anyone asks, we have tried a number of times to perform these, but tenant is not playing ball

    Do you have direct contact with the tenants as well as the EA who manages your property? Any of the issues that I've had with renting have been when there's an EA acting as intermediary. One in particular basically just ignored any communication from all tenants (which covered malfunctioning fridges, ovens, dishwashers, washing machines, all that sort of stuff - as well as some problems like damp and mould).


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    #39
    allibastor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭allibastor


    Achasanai wrote: »
    Do you have direct contact with the tenants as well as the EA who manages your property? Any of the issues that I've had with renting have been when there's an EA acting as intermediary. One in particular basically just ignored any communication from all tenants (which covered malfunctioning fridges, ovens, dishwashers, washing machines, all that sort of stuff - as well as some problems like damp and mould).

    Tried to call, but was advised that I cant be seen to harras either


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    #40
    allibastor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭allibastor


    Ronald Bewildered Frame wrote: »
    Disgraceful, id be at their front door every week kicking up a major fuss looking for my money and make it known to people what time of scum they are living beside, working with etc.

    I don't think I can do this, wouldn't it be legally lible


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    #41
    __Alex__
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭__Alex__


    Ronald Bewildered Frame wrote: »
    Disgraceful, id be at their front door every week kicking up a major fuss looking for my money and make it known to people what time of scum they are living beside, working with etc.

    If someone came up to me raving about their bad tenant who happens to be my neighbour, I'd think they were a loon.


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    #42
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Ronald Bewildered Frame wrote: »
    Disgraceful, id be at their front door every week kicking up a major fuss looking for my money and make it known to people what time of scum they are living beside, working with etc.

    I suppose if you were at the front door kicking up a fuss every week you could also get around to doing those repairs.


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    #43
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Leilani Odd Cornmeal wrote:
    Not me, my previous post was about the other case being mentioned.

    Well in the other case the tenants are long gone so there'd be no point knocking on the door.


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    #44
    [Deleted User]
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    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    I suppose if you were at the front door kicking up a fuss every week you could also get around to doing those repairs.

    I'm taking about the other case not the ops and also you are basically defending the tenants who are not paying rent and refusing to arrange a time for the LL to fix the problem.
    pilly wrote: »
    Well in the other case the tenants are long gone so there'd be no point knocking on the door.

    I mean I'd track them down to their new rental and hound them for the money they owe me.


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    #45
    __Alex__
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭__Alex__


    Ronald Bewildered Frame wrote: »
    I mean I'd track them down to their new rental and hound them for the money they owe me.

    Highly unlikely! Sadly it happens all the time that people don't receive money owed or awarded to them. And finding out where someone lives and hounding them at home is straying into the realms of harassment and them owing you money wouldn't be a defence.


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    #46
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    __Alex__ wrote: »
    Highly unlikely! Sadly it happens all the time that people don't receive money owed or awarded to them. And finding out where someone lives and hounding them at home is straying into the realms of harassment and them owing you money wouldn't be a defence.

    It's more in the centre of the realm jumping up and down waving your arms around. :pac:


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    #47
    [Deleted User]
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    __Alex__ wrote: »
    Highly unlikely! Sadly it happens all the time that people don't receive money owed or awarded to them. And finding out where someone lives and hounding them at home is straying into the realms of harassment and them owing you money wouldn't be a defence.

    The intention would be to harsss them and embarrass them in front of their neighbours, friends and co-workers. If I'm owed money I don't sit on my hands, I have and will ensure I get it.


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    #48
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Ronald Bewildered Frame wrote: »
    The intention would be to harsss them and embarrass them in front of their neighbours, friends and co-workers. If I'm owed money I don't sit on my hands, I have and will ensure I get it.

    I completely understand your frustration but is it worth a criminal record?


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    #49
    [Deleted User]
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    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    I completely understand your frustration but is it worth a criminal record?

    Yes, but you won't get one doing what I describe. It just won't happen.


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    #50
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Ronald Bewildered Frame wrote: »
    Yes, but you won't get one doing what I describe. It just won't happen.

    It's textbook harassment - I know because I just looked at a textbook. :pac:


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    #51
    __Alex__
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭__Alex__


    Ronald Bewildered Frame wrote: »
    The intention would be to harsss them and embarrass them in front of their neighbours, friends and co-workers. If I'm owed money I don't sit on my hands, I have and will ensure I get it.

    As said earlier, I'd be backing away from a randomer raving about money owed to them. I'd have no interest. Airing of dirty laundry in public is of no interest to many, especially if they don't know the people involved. Just sounds annoying!


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    #52
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Ronald Bewildered Frame wrote: »
    Yes, but you won't get one doing what I describe. It just won't happen.

    You would. And a restraining order along with it.


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    #53
    allibastor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭allibastor


    No rent again, issued notice again to move out, but like last time just ignored.

    This is actually madness


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    #54
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    allibastor wrote: »
    No rent again, issued notice again to move out, but like last time just ignored.

    This is actually madness

    I thought RTB had said they'd hear the case within 30 days? What's happening with them?


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    #55
    allibastor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭allibastor


    pilly wrote: »
    I thought RTB had said they'd hear the case within 30 days? What's happening with them?

    They asked for a copy of all documents to be sent to them, showing what we have said and done.

    Nothing back since.


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    #56
    allibastor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭allibastor


    pilly wrote: »
    I thought RTB had said they'd hear the case within 30 days? What's happening with them?

    Plus, I was told by my solicitor that even when they make a judgement you need to get a sheriff involved to actually carry out the eviction.


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    #57
    Ms Doubtfire1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Ms Doubtfire1


    allibastor wrote: »
    pilly wrote: »
    I thought RTB had said they'd hear the case within 30 days? What's happening with them?

    Plus, I was told by my solicitor that even when they make a judgement you need to get a sheriff involved to actually carry out the eviction.
    ye once you got a court order. Just follow the process - and do chase up the PRTB.


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    #58
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    allibastor wrote: »
    They asked for a copy of all documents to be sent to them, showing what we have said and done.

    Nothing back since.

    I'd be ringing them every day of the week.

    I'm sorry that you're going through this but you need to be more proactive. Ring, ring, ring.


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    #59
    allibastor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭allibastor


    pilly wrote: »
    I'd be ringing them every day of the week.

    I'm sorry that you're going through this but you need to be more proactive. Ring, ring, ring.

    Hi,

    Thanks, yeah we are chasing them up, but all we get told is "we have the documents with us, we are currently reviewing them and will be back to you in due course"

    I wouldnt mind, one of the neighbors who I know well enough has said its just business as normal in the house there, I haven't said about rent arrears but asked them to make sure everything is OK


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    #60
    Ms Doubtfire1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Ms Doubtfire1


    out of interest, did you follow all those steps?

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/farming/beef/step-carefully-and-get-advice-if-a-tenant-has-failed-to-pay-rent-305710.html


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    #61
    allibastor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭allibastor


    Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »
    out of interest, did you follow all those steps?

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/farming/beef/step-carefully-and-get-advice-if-a-tenant-has-failed-to-pay-rent-305710.html

    Yeah, the agency we deal with has.


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