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Kilmessan GP. Sunday, March 26th

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  • 20-03-2017 11:11pm
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    rayquinn1
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    The second edition of the Kilmessan GP, promoted by Skane Wheelers CC, takes place next Sunday the 26th of March in Kilmessan, Co. Meath.
    A challenging 19km route with someone to suit everyone!
    Sign-on opens at 8:30am in FP Maguires pub in Kilmessan village with underage racing starting at 9:30am and senior racing starting at 11:00am.

    Strava link to route
    https://www.strava.com/routes/4284808

    More details to be found on Skane Wheelers Facebook page
    https://www.facebook.com/Kilmessancyclingclub


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    Miklos
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    Will the senior racing be run incrementally from 11? So A4 would be setting off around 11.15?

    Cheers.


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    rayquinn1
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    Thats right - senior races will start incrementally from 11am, with the A4's being the last out.


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    boysinblack
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    Anyone racing Sunday? Course meant to be lumpy enough?


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    Sarz91
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    boysinblack wrote: »
    Anyone racing Sunday? Course meant to be lumpy enough?

    Yeah supposed to be. Seems the course is pretty lumpy enough but nothing major. Mostly drags I think aside from the finish which is about 5-6% for 3 or so minutes, can't remember the distance. With the being mother's day I may have an issue.

    The left before the finish looks tight enough and with the quarry just up the road it may make for a pretty sketchy finish.


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    Harrybelafonte
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    http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057719866/1/#post102982995


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    Beasty
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    Threads merged


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    jimm
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    The junction in Dunsany should be interesting with the IVCA race coming into it from the Dunshaughlin direction :eek:. Thankfully, it's a little offset so not a true crossroads. Cooperation required from both sets of marshals.


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    Raymzor
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    Sarz91 wrote: »
    Yeah supposed to be. Seems the course is pretty lumpy enough but nothing major. Mostly drags I think aside from the finish which is about 5-6% for 3 or so minutes, can't remember the distance. With the being mother's day I may have an issue.

    The left before the finish looks tight enough and with the quarry just up the road it may make for a pretty sketchy finish.

    I did this race last year. It was very safe. The last turn is far enough from the finish its not an issue. The race was decided with a very tough uphill sprint.


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    Raymzor
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    jimm wrote: »
    The junction in Dunsany should be interesting with the IVCA race coming into it from the Dunshaughlin direction :eek:. Thankfully, it's a little offset so not a true crossroads. Cooperation required from both sets of marshals.
    You are correct that the two junctions are staggered. the races will not cross paths. the vets race starts at 9am.


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    Sarz91
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    Good race today. A lot of crashes within the first few kms of the A4 race with some serious looking injuries. The ambulance was more or less there for the entire race. Hope everyone's alright.

    Was in the break and stayed away with two others until the last 100 or so meters. Managed to hang on and only got pipped at the line by a pretty small margin for first place.


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    happyhappy
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    Sarz91 wrote: »
    Good race today. A lot of crashes within the first few kms of the A4 race with some serious looking injuries. The ambulance was more or less there for the entire race. Hope everyone's alright.

    Was in the break and stayed away with two others until the last 100 or so meters. Managed to hang on and only got pipped at the line by a pretty small margin for first place.

    Congrats on the result, am I right saying you are upgraded?? I missed today and to be honest I'm half glad. Any idea what caused all the crashes? A club mate who raced today said he thinks it was incoming traffic approaching the race that squeezed the bunch and caused some of the crashes. He didn't see any motos with the bunch but isn't sure.


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    Sarz91
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    happyhappy wrote: »
    Congrats on the result, am I right saying you are upgraded?? I missed today and to be honest I'm half glad. Any idea what caused all the crashes? A club mate who raced today said he thinks it was incoming traffic approaching the race that squeezed the bunch and caused some of the crashes. He didn't see any motos with the bunch but isn't sure.

    No one was calling out obstacles or vehicles up the front of the bunch so some lads only saw the obstacle last second. I don't know what happened the first crash I just say a UCD rider down in the middle of the road.

    The main crash, in which close to half the field was involved (not everyone came down but you know what I mean) was due to an oncoming car. Nothing to do with the driver or anything like that. Nothing was called out, some lads say it last second and tried to squeeze where there was no room. Ended in a massive pileup with some grim injuries from what I heard. Some lad ended up with a dislocated elbow apparently. Just about managed to avoid the crash myself and had to chase on for a bit.

    There apparently was another up the climb to the finish on the second lap. I was in the break and didn't see it but I think it was a touch of wheels and a few lads went down.

    There was Moto Marshall ahead and at intermittent stages a Marshall would shoot by us so I don't think it had anything to do with that. I think it was the number of riders. With one day licenses still available couples with the good weather it seemed as if everyone was out.


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    sullzz
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    Joke of a race ..... messy bunch , i got caught behind the 3rd crash on the hill , a lad got out of his saddle and changed gears while throwing his bike back into the riders behind , my race was over then as i burned too many matches earlier on chasing back on after the other crashes .
    Well done on your 2nd place and upgrade Sarz91 , nice to chat during the race .


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    Sarz91
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    sullzz wrote: »
    Joke of a race ..... messy bunch , i got caught behind the 3rd crash on the hill , a lad got out of his saddle and changed gears while throwing his bike back into the riders behind , my race was over then as i burned too many matches earlier on chasing back on after the other crashes .
    Well done on your 2nd place and upgrade Sarz91 , nice to chat during the race .

    Sorry to hear about your race. We were just chatting about staying rubber side up when the crash took place. I'll know to keep my mouth shut next time. Did the lad from Lucan you were riding for get the point he needed? Tried getting something going with him earlier in the day but got chased down.


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    Derrydingle
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    Very messy race in the a4 I think the start should of been started in the town, starting it on a down hill with bends is crazy with that amount of riders


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    sullzz
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    Sarz91 wrote: »
    Sorry to hear about your race. We were just chatting about staying rubber side up when the crash took place. I'll know to keep my mouth shut next time. Did the lad from Lucan you were riding for get the point he needed? Tried getting something going with him earlier in the day but got chased down.
    Nah , he came in 10th or 11th i think .


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    InTheAttic
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    happyhappy wrote: »
    Congrats on the result, am I right saying you are upgraded?? I missed today and to be honest I'm half glad. Any idea what caused all the crashes? A club mate who raced today said he thinks it was incoming traffic approaching the race that squeezed the bunch and caused some of the crashes. He didn't see any motos with the bunch but isn't sure.

    I was there. 3 crashes on the first lap. I saw the first one where the fella went down on his own. The second crash, there were a few strung across the road. Heard the bray wheelers fella had a broken eye socket, collar bone and ribs. Wish him and anyone else involved a speedy recovery. 3rd crash on the first lap was up the drag to the start line. There was lots... and lots... and lots of braking today. People cutting across while cornering etc. I get the sense that bike handling skills are poor in A4. That aside, really enjoyed the race. Cracking day!


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    InTheAttic
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    Sarz91 wrote: »
    No one was calling out obstacles or vehicles up the front of the bunch so some lads only saw the obstacle last second. I don't know what happened the first crash I just say a UCD rider down in the middle of the road.

    The main crash, in which close to half the field was involved (not everyone came down but you know what I mean) was due to an oncoming car. Nothing to do with the driver or anything like that. Nothing was called out, some lads say it last second and tried to squeeze where there was no room. Ended in a massive pileup with some grim injuries from what I heard. Some lad ended up with a dislocated elbow apparently. Just about managed to avoid the crash myself and had to chase on for a bit.

    There apparently was another up the climb to the finish on the second lap. I was in the break and didn't see it but I think it was a touch of wheels and a few lads went down.

    There was Moto Marshall ahead and at intermittent stages a Marshall would shoot by us so I don't think it had anything to do with that. I think it was the number of riders. With one day licenses still available couples with the good weather it seemed as if everyone was out.

    Lads were calling. I heard them, I was there. I called every obstacle I saw. But it seems the calls didn't make their way all down the line. At one point the moto marshall was telling riders to stop crossing the centre line. It was all over the place. Safest place was the break it seems!


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    Borderfox
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    I heard a few negative reports from some of the people in the same horse yard as myself, pulled over to a stop when the peloton was approaching but a lot of riders on the wrong side of the road and she got a lot of abuse from same riders as they passed.


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    koutoubia
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    I am gonna say something about the behaviour of riders in the higher groups.


    Myself and a clubmate went to the finish of the A4 race after our vets race.
    After we had a chat with some other clubmates we drove on ....make a safe
    u-turn well down the road.
    Drove back towrds the finish when what I am guessing was the A1/A2 lead car came around a bend.
    We pulled in on the correct side of the road and as much off the road as possible. The group came around a fast blind bend on the wrong side of the road and very very narrowly avoided hitting us! We got abuse shouted from us from the pack EVEN though we were in the right.
    Had we not stopped it would have been carnage!
    Riders need to cop on and riders who really should know better!


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    Weepsie
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    Between this and the one dayers turning up at dubgarvan it doesn't sound like a weekend which some racers painted themselves with glory. It will only take a few to ruin it for everyone unfortunately


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    Beasty
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    We get similar stories every season. How some have not sussed out that their behaviour is jeopardising the future of the sport in Ireland is beyond me. The vets have certainly got their act together with real sanctions for racers going over the wrong side of the road. It seems to me that some open racers think they have some kind of right to race on open roads oblivious to the fact they risk screwing it up for everyone


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    Borderfox
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    To me it's a simple choice, sanction the riders over the white line or carry on till something catastrophic happens.

    I know which choice I would make


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    Daroxtar
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    Beasty wrote: »
    We get similar stories every season. How some have not sussed out that their behaviour is jeopardising the future of the sport in Ireland is beyond me. The vets have certainly got their act together with real sanctions for racers going over the wrong side of the road. It seems to me that some open racers think they have some kind of right to race on open roads oblivious to the fact they risk screwing it up for everyone

    Am I right in thinking that the Vets have to do some kind of safety course before they are allowed race? Maybe something like that needs to be brought into the CI events. Theory test before getting the license


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    Sarz91
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    Daroxtar wrote: »
    Am I right in thinking that the Vets have to do some kind of safety course before they are allowed race? Maybe something like that needs to be brought into the CI events. Theory test before getting the license

    Or something like in the US where you're CAT 5 until you complete 5 or 10 races. A lot of these races are "clinics" held by higher CAT riders.

    While this might limit the crashes in the race it won't deal with the piss poor attitude a lot of riders seem to have when it comes to racing.


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    Beasty
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    Daroxtar wrote: »
    Am I right in thinking that the Vets have to do some kind of safety course before they are allowed race? Maybe something like that needs to be brought into the CI events. Theory test before getting the license
    They have marshal briefings each year ahead of racing which everyone is required to attend. They have been using CI Commissaires in recent years as part of their briefing. They emphasise the importance of being on public roads and subject to road traffic legislation, including white lines and the importance of not going over unbroken ones. It's pretty much 2 or 3 abreast in vets races (or was in the ones I've been involved in over recent years) until the final sprint when they tend to ensure there is no oncoming traffic (or if there is appropriate warnings will be given with whistles to be blown if there is any danger)


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    jimbobaloobob
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    Beasty wrote: »
    We get similar stories every season. How some have not sussed out that their behaviour is jeopardising the future of the sport in Ireland is beyond me. The vets have certainly got their act together with real sanctions for racers going over the wrong side of the road. It seems to me that some open racers think they have some kind of right to race on open roads oblivious to the fact they risk screwing it up for everyone


    I think the behaviour of some cyclists comes down to the explosion of clubs and cyclists of recent years. For many years there was big history behind some of the clubs in Ireland and still is, with that came a hierarchy of etiquette both for club spins, races and anytime you wore the jersey. Now there are alot of people only in clubs for their own financial benefit as its cheaper than racing unattached and possibly discount on the gear also this i feel has played a big part in the negative behaviour you experience and hear about on the racing and sportif scene in the country at present.


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    ht9zni1gs28crp
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    Cant really call it a joke of a race, highly unfair to, especially to Skane wheelers who I think run a brilliant ship there.....its bike racing. Lot of negative racing to be fair, if your gonna surf around in a bunch every race waiting for everyone else to drag you to the line for a sprint then crashes are very likely to occur all around you in every category not just A4. The sun brought a lot of first timers out possibly as up until now the A4 bunch has seen the best handling I think up until now.

    Sarz struck out at the right time on the last lap as soon as the two man break was caught......With just under two laps hovering at 30secs max was tough with just two. I bridged over to your man as soon as i hear the big crash early in the first lap and got the hell out of there. I honestly thought a few more would bridge across to us. Kudos to the Stamullen man, we put our heart and soul into it!


    Suffice to say being active at the front you only hear of crashes behind you.


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    harringtonp
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    Borderfox wrote: »
    To me it's a simple choice, sanction the riders over the white line or carry on till something catastrophic happens.

    I know which choice I would make

    You'll never get the behaviour you desire through sanctions unless there is a limit on numbers as well. The unfortunate reality is that in most races somebody who judiously stays on their own side of the road will end up swinging of the back of the bunch all day.

    BTW there wasn't a single crash in Westport all weekend.


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    InTheAttic
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    Daroxtar wrote: »
    Am I right in thinking that the Vets have to do some kind of safety course before they are allowed race? Maybe something like that needs to be brought into the CI events. Theory test before getting the license

    There is a presentation before the season starts. There's also a personal assessment (mate of mine did his in phoenix park) to see which category you go into. But that assessment is not the same as riding in a bunch at high speed.

    Also, I thought 1-day-open-racing-licenses had been done away with last year?


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