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€300M Investment into Waterford City

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    #332
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Just thought I'd give this a cheeky bump with the gubberment announcement regarding capital spending - I'm going to assume the Suadi's will be spending more here than the state in the next strategic plan.


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    #333
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,397 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Just thought I'd give this a cheeky bump with the gubberment announcement regarding capital spending - I'm going to assume the Suadi's will be spending more here than the state in the next strategic plan.

    is the government gonna put in any money at all for this investment?


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    #334
    Max Powers
    Registered Users Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    is the government gonna put in any money at all for this investment?

    Council haven't put in their submission yet, they doing cost benefit, plans, etc...im assuming they know when requests need to be in.id say soon enough considering capital review is published in September.Council said recently, they'd have something published end July/start August , designs, etc.
    We should be sending letters and emails to the ministers responsible for deciding what money goes where...paschal donohoe,eoghan Murphy, Leo.I'd also let local td's in region know how important it is...the most important thing/opportunity in a lifetime, private investor willing to put in 250m.
    I got a few general responses from various govt departments, couple local td's, nothing sensational obviously but if everyone let's them know, less likely to ignore it.I know some think its a waste of time but I have gotten letters, emails and calls back from td's, ministers and a taoiseach once, sometimes all positive, sometimes mixed results.... if not successful, the negative moaners and nay sayers like below will be delighted they can say they were right to be so negative all along.again though, lot of positives there...SDZ, private funds, they have already committed in different report, etc.


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    #335
    TheQuietFella
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    It's just not going to happen!:eek:


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    #336
    Waterboy2014
    Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭Waterboy2014


    I was just reading v interesting article in Munster Express RE Councils progress on CPO-ing several sites surrounding North Quays site. Looks like its moving again. I'm expecting some sort of announcement by Council over coming weeks about the development plans they have drawn up for site. Looking forward to seeing the plans


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    #337
    Deiseen
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    Waterboy2014 wrote: »
    I was just reading v interesting article in Munster Express RE Councils progress on CPO-ing several sites surrounding North Quays site. Looks like its moving again. I'm expecting some sort of announcement by Council over coming weeks about the development plans they have drawn up for site. Looking forward to seeing the plans

    Good to hear. It's been a little quiet lately so nice to see that it's still moving.


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    #338
    Max Powers
    Registered Users Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    Don't think it was ever the case that council weren't working on it, they have said numerous times they working on cost benefit analysis and plans last number of months and continuing to do so.


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    #339
    914
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    We must be getting close to being able to view the plans for the area?


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    #340
    Max Powers
    Registered Users Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    914 wrote: »
    We must be getting close to being able to view the plans for the area?

    Yeah, think so.I'd say extent of what council plan/would like will depend on level of gov't funding.e.g. they might want to do certain things but mightnt have money for it so wouldn't put 100% certainty in plans.


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    #341
    kilkenny31
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    The article in The Munster Express was interesting. They were suggesting that they were CPOing the industrial units on abbey road as access for construction traffic but also for a bridge across to join abbey road with the mall. This would be great. Along with the pedestrian bridge at the clock tower it would really bring Ferrybank into the city centre.


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    #342
    jelutong
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    Ive heard the thinking behind this is to relocate the car parks along the Quay to Ferrybank. Hence the need for two bridges.


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    #343
    Max Powers
    Registered Users Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    The article in The Munster Express was interesting. They were suggesting that they were CPOing the industrial units on abbey road as access for construction traffic but also for a bridge across to join abbey road with the mall. This would be great. Along with the pedestrian bridge at the clock tower it would really bring Ferrybank into the city centre.

    Think they said the vehicle bridge at mall is a long term item and main reason for CPO is north quays access.


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    #344
    Harry Palmr
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    Presumably they are fixed bridges, if so that is the end of cruise vessels docking in town

    Here's that Munster story

    http://www.munster-express.ie/community-notes/north-quay-cpo-is-biggest-of-its-kind-in-waterford-city/


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    #345
    Max Powers
    Registered Users Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Presumably they are fixed bridges, if so that is the end of cruise vessels docking in town

    Don't think so no.


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    #346
    kilkenny31
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    I have to say this is all positive. They seem to be planning this as an extension of the city centre rather then just constructing buildings on the Docks. They are opening the whole area up and making it accessible from both ferrybank and the city centre. Plenty of planning gone into it. Now all we can hope for are some good quality buildings developed on the site. A nice hotel overlooking the river and south side of the city would be nice. The best view of Waterford is from Ferrybank.


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    #347
    TheQuietFella
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Presumably they are fixed bridges, if so that is the end of cruise vessels docking in town

    Here's that Munster story

    http://www.munster-express.ie/community-notes/north-quay-cpo-is-biggest-of-its-kind-in-waterford-city/

    Some Cruise Liners are too big for Waterford Port, unlike Dublin Port so they anchor off Dunmore East. Passengers are transferred by bus from Dunmore East into Waterford City but nevertheless it should not be a fixed bridge!


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    #348
    JohnC.
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    It literally says opening span bridge in the article you guys are talking about.


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    #349
    Harry Palmr
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    TheQuietFella wrote: »
    Some Cruise Liners are too big for Waterford Port, unlike Dublin Port so they anchor off Dunmore East. Passengers are transferred by bus from Dunmore East into Waterford City but nevertheless it should not be a fixed bridge!

    The pesky River Suir and it's modest maximum depth! We should send it to Cork to be deepened.
    JohnC. wrote: »
    It literally says opening span bridge in the article you guys are talking about.

    Well indeed it does though it's not a certainty as phrased below.
    The consultants have advised the Council that an access road should be provided on the Ferrybank side of the River Suir in the event of another opening span bridge being constructed in due course.

    Clearly it would be the wise thing but the costs difference of fixed v opening is significant.


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    #350
    gobo99
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    Building a fixed bridge downstream from an opening bridge would seem unlikely, no?


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    #351
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    gobo99 wrote: »
    Building a fixed bridge downstream from an opening bridge would seem unlikely, no?

    On the face of it but as far as I know the only traffic that might need a bridge lift now is at the Fastnet yard by the foundary and that really should be moved down river so all that area can be redeveloped.


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    #352
    Johnboy1951
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    On the face of it but as far as I know the only traffic that might need a bridge lift now is at the Fastnet yard by the foundary and that really should be moved down river so all that area can be redeveloped.

    Is there not some requirement not to block traffic to upriver sites which might be (re-)developed in the future?

    I would think there might be a serious objection from KKCC for instance that blocking access to the likes of Fidown is not acceptable.

    I would imagine they would have reasonable grounds to object in that case.


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    #353
    MentalMario
    Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭MentalMario


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Is there not some requirement not to block traffic to upriver sites which might be (re-)developed in the future?

    I would think there might be a serious objection from KKCC for instance that blocking access to the likes of Fidown is not acceptable.

    I would imagine they would have reasonable grounds to object in that case.


    The toll bridge blocks that access anyway, doesn't it?


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    #354
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    The bypass bridge deck has a clearance of 14m which is high enough for anything likely to want to pass upstream


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    #355
    [Deleted User]
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    Been to Waterford last two weekends in a row.
    What an amazing beautiful city.
    The outdoor music at different parts of the city is amazing. beers outside, no messers, just great atmosphere

    Well done good people of Waterford


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    #356
    Max Powers
    Registered Users Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    Nice to hear brother Andy.

    I saw a boat/barge with stilts/outriggers in river yesterday where new pedestrian bridge proposed, I'd guess they were doing that geo survey council advertised for some months ago.anyone else confirm if it was.


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    #357
    Hoffmans
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Been to Waterford last two weekends in a row.
    What an amazing beautiful city.
    The outdoor music at different parts of the city is amazing. beers outside, no messers, just great atmosphere

    Well done good people of Waterford

    Lol sure you have the right city dude?
    That's actually opposite of a general sat night...


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    #358
    [Deleted User]
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    Hoffmans wrote: »
    Lol sure you have the right city dude?
    That's actually opposite of a general sat night...

    The two nights I was down recently were Saturday nights. I've been down many many times Before as I sail from there a lot, so I think I am able to give an honest appraisal.

    an a separate note, sailing out to sea up the river is absolutely paradise


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    #359
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,397 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Deleted User wrote:
    an a separate note, sailing out to sea up the river is absolutely paradise


    Done the river rescue run a while ago, lovely coming into the city on the river


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    #360
    gw80
    Registered Users Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭gw80


    Hoffmans wrote: »
    Lol sure you have the right city dude?
    That's actually opposite of a general sat night...
    Ah, get over yourself boi,
    Most people go out have a good time and go home, it can get a bit messy with the younger crowd but even the majority of them do the same, they are young, let them have some fun,
    What would you prefer, a continental style night out, a group of 20 year olds sitting around a table sipping tea, discussing politics, or worse, 4 or 5 kids sipping on one pint (iv seen it)and home by 10,
    And its not like it doesn't happen in every other city in ireland.


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    #361
    Max Powers
    Registered Users Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    Hoffmans wrote: »
    Lol sure you have the right city dude?
    That's actually opposite of a general sat night...

    Maybe Hoffman you should be looking at your own nights out, mates or behaviour if its the opposite to brother Andy's description.


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