€300M Investment into Waterford City

Muttley79

Gardner wrote: »

The problem is they haven't gone through a "rigorous detail" of engineering and surveying. It's still very much in it's infancy. Planning doesn't require this rigorous detail hence my post above and the potential blow outs. Comparing this to the children's hospital in terms of funding and cost blow outs is a new level of stupid for boards.ie

Where did I compare the two projects.i gave an example of public sector spending. (E.G)!!!
Are you trying to say they have not gone through engineering and surveys.where are they plugging their figures from?on the back of a cigarette box!!!do you know what a fool you sound with a statement like that.

Asdfgh2020

Gardner wrote: »

I could go back to my post a few months back and quote it and I will still say this won't go ahead.

A tranche of money has been attributed to the project. There is very little substance to that tranche. Nothing has gone to tender yet for an evaluation attributable to that tranche. What happens when they get to the next % milestone of Civil/Structural design and the Government send out those packages and they come back well above the initial tranche? Who going to pay for that? It certainly won't be the Falcon.

This is a political stunt and they will blame rising construction costs and the unknowns associated with substructure/superstructure conditions and design. Does anyone think the government or Falcon will stump up an extra 20-60million if required?

Using argument above no project would ever go ahead..........can you give an example of any project that ever gets built on budget...?

azimuth17

This whole thread should be flushed down the toilet. Its as if the huge amount amount of work already done, planning, CPOs, engineering exploration, demolition, site clearance and so on amounts to nothing. I don't know if the NQ will ever happen, if it does it won't be for want of trying, but some recent posts on this thread are utter s***e.

Wanderer78

azimuth17 wrote:

This whole thread should be flushed down the toilet. Its as if the huge amount amount of work already done, planning, CPOs, engineering exploration, demolition, site clearance and so on amounts to nothing. I don't know if the NQ will ever happen, if it does it won't be for want of trying, but some recent posts on this thread are utter s***e.

People should be allowed to voice their opinions on such a development, and without ridicule, this project has the ability to completely transform the region, it's an incredible achievement so far, an astonishing amount of work has been done to get to this point, I do believe this development will happen, too much has been invested now for it not to happen

kuang1

Wanderer78 wrote: »

People should be allowed to voice their opinions on such a development, and without ridicule,

Agree and disagree.

Yes everyone/anyone can and should be allowed to voice their opinion, that's what boards is designed for.

But bull**** should be called exactly what it is too.

"I'm offended because my opinion was ridiculed." (obviously I'm not quoting you here)

Nope.

Take it on the chin, back up your opinion in some manner, and carry on the conversation like an adult.

vriesmays

Who's going to live in a 17-floor apartment block in Waterford.

mayordenis

vriesmays wrote: »

Who's going to live in a 17-floor apartment block in Waterford.

The same people who would live in ~5 3- and 4-floor apartment blocks. What possible reason would you have for taking issue with that in particular? Or is it just that anything vaguely modern just shouldn't exist in Waterford?

vriesmays

No Wateford person moving back would live on the North Quay. Financial staff moving there with families will live out the Dunmore Rd. The only residents for that apartment building will be welfare spongers and asylum seekers. Seventeen floors is daft for a small city. Might as well build a big statue of a pie.

Micky Bluenips

vriesmays wrote: »

Who's going to live in a 17-floor apartment block in Waterford.

Your wife

blue_blue

vriesmays wrote: »

No Wateford person moving back would live on the North Quay. Financial staff moving there with families will live out the Dunmore Rd. The only residents for that apartment building will be welfare spongers and asylum seekers. Seventeen floors is daft for a small city. Might as well build a big statue of a pie.

If you don't need a backyard/garden, who wouldn't want to live in the heart of Waterford in a high-rise apartment complex?

The view will be amazing for those with balconies facing the opposite side of the quay.

You think these apartments are going to be cheap? I wouldn't bank on it.

914

vriesmays wrote: »

No Wateford person moving back would live on the North Quay. Financial staff moving there with families will live out the Dunmore Rd. The only residents for that apartment building will be welfare spongers and asylum seekers. Seventeen floors is daft for a small city. Might as well build a big statue of a pie.

What about those without families? If you attract IT and financial industry they often come with a lot of youth.

That youth on well paying jobs would be happy to be positioned in the city centre which would help in bringing life back to the city centre in the evenings.

smellyoldboot

Micky Bluenips wrote: »

Your wife

With the black lad?

smellyoldboot

blue_blue wrote: »

If you don't need a backyard/garden, who wouldn't want to live in the heart of Waterford in a high-rise apartment complex?

The view will be amazing for those with balconies facing the opposite side of the quay.

You think these apartments are going to be cheap? I wouldn't bank on it.

If they are not cheap, then who in the lowest income city in Ireland will be buying them? I see talk of people moving back from Dublin, these would be mostly mid career professionals with families who will want 3/4 bed semis in suburbia.

I would say the council will have most of them in 10 years tbh.

mooseknunkle

This thread really needs to be closed and maybe opened back up when building starts,ruined by the same headbangers all the time.

Harry Palmr

The sunset will be amazing from 200 feet up!

Seriously though vriesmays being reduced to this level of trolling is just painful. Someone really need to ban him and his IP permanently at this stage.

fricatus

smellyoldboot wrote: »

If they are not cheap, then who in the lowest income city in Ireland will be buying them? I see talk of people moving back from Dublin, these would be mostly mid career professionals with families who will want 3/4 bed semis in suburbia.

It's an unaddressed market in Waterford. There are very few high-quality apartments where people with money would want to live. Maybe Maritana Gate fits the bill to a certain extent, but over a certain price level, you have no choice but a big suburban semi-D.

Not everyone wants to live in one of those, and I'm particularly thinking of high-income couples with no kids, or whose kids have grown up and they don't need the playroom, swings, half a football pitch out the back, and would be happy to give them up to have that view, and to be within walking distance of pubs and cafés.

Also, not everyone is coming back from Dublin. Anyone coming back from China, the Middle East, or the continent will probably have lived in a high-rise apartment because it's the norm in those places, and if it's up to standard, they'll be happy. Rob Cass himself has lived in various places like that AFAIK (Dubai and Copenhagen I think) so I've no doubt they'll be a step up from the apartment designs we saw here in the '90s, lacking storage space, anywhere to dry clothes, etc.

That said, I do see your point... it feels unlikely that anyone would buy them. But I reckon Falcon have done their homework, and I look forward to being surprised again when these things are full up. To be honest, I'm surprised they got this far with it, but they have, and if the government is ponying up money, it has to be the real deal.

Harry Palmr

Falcon have probably already got agreements in principle with property companies who specialise in this sort of market.

The worker bees will just buy standard boxes in Kilbarry or indeed areas like Christendom and just inside the Kilkenny border. The market for new houses will deffo get a bump on that side of river.

Aquos76

This thread is gone ridiculous, I think it’s time to close it. Once building commences I’m sure we’ll have another one going. Sorry to all those who genuinely wanted to have a good discussion but I think we can all agree this is no longer the place to have that.