€300M Investment into Waterford City

Jack Barlowe

no sign of a Nth Quays Planning Application yet on W.C.C. website. no sign of further funding either. any updates due i wonder ?

Bards

Jack Barlowe wrote: »

no sign of a Nth Quays Planning Application yet on W.C.C. website. no sign of further funding either. any updates due i wonder ?

End of the month I do believe

Jack Barlowe

Thanks. not long more so

fricatus

Darren Skelton was on Twitter earlier saying that he's more confident than ever that this is now going to go ahead. I take this as a good sign, because, like me, he is a hopeful sceptic, having seen many false dawns, but knowing the potential that lies dormant in Waterford.

I can't link right now, but maybe someone helpful could find his post and provide the URL here?

Wanderer78

fricatus wrote:

Darren Skelton was on Twitter earlier saying that he's more confident than ever that this is now going to go ahead. I take this as a good sign, because, like me, he is a hopeful sceptic, having seen many false dawns, but knowing the potential that lies dormant in Waterford.

That's good news

Bards

He said to check out next week's news and star

cactus jacks

fricatus wrote: »

I can't link right now, but maybe someone helpful could find his post and provide the URL here?

https://twitter.com/Deisesupes/status/1141427509126475779?s=19

vriesmays

Del Amitri should play a gig in Waterford.

cactus jacks

Front page of today's news & star:
https://twitter.com/WaterfordNS/status/1143270266119819266?s=20

fricatus

I'm curious to know how all this works... they're submitting the planning application now, but An Bord Pleanála has already approved the development I thought?

Have I got that ar5eways or is there some special SDZ regime in place?

Does the SDZ count as the overall planning approval (up to ABP), and then the detailed design just has to be approved by the Council as meeting the terms of that approval?

I have to say I'm confused... maybe someone in the know can explain?

Max Powers

fricatus wrote: »

I'm curious to know how all this works... they're submitting the planning application now, but An Bord Pleanála has already approved the development I thought?

Have I got that ar5eways or is there some special SDZ regime in place?

Does the SDZ count as the overall planning approval (up to ABP), and then the detailed design just has to be approved by the Council as meeting the terms of that approval?

I have to say I'm confused... maybe someone in the know can explain?

No expert but if the planning is in line with ABP approval and presumably council and councillors ok, its fine.No doubt a couple of councillors will want to raise some fairly minor thing to get their name out.

curmudgeonly

fricatus wrote: »

I'm curious to know how all this works... they're submitting the planning application now, but An Bord Pleanála has already approved the development I thought?

Have I got that ar5eways or is there some special SDZ regime in place?

Does the SDZ count as the overall planning approval (up to ABP), and then the detailed design just has to be approved by the Council as meeting the terms of that approval?

I have to say I'm confused... maybe someone in the know can explain?

Normally a planning is given but can be appealed to ABP, in the case of an SDZ it is reversed, it goes to ABP first and at this stage one can appeal, but after that it is a matter for the local planning body to pass the application if it is broadly within what was passed by ABP.
The definition of broadly is an argument that could be had?

vriesmays

That N&S front page omitted Waterford's new mosque.

Deiseen

vriesmays wrote: »

That N&S front page omitted Waterford's new mosque.

Oh yeah, I completely forgot that this development comes with a free mosque. I wonder will they put it next to the synagogue that Teva built or perhaps maybe the Hindu temple that Tech Mahindra built.

Harry Palmr

I have the racist on ignore.

Deiseen

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I have the racist on ignore.

Racist is one thing but effin painfully idiotic is another.

Then again, they usually go hand in hand with each other.

riemann

vriesmays wrote: »

That N&S front page omitted Waterford's new mosque.

I imagine most journalists are careful about what they say.

Don't want to end up cut into pieces.

debok

vriesmays wrote: »

That N&S front page omitted Waterford's new mosque.

Ah stop your a hoot.

jimbojazz

Deiseen wrote: »

Oh yeah, I completely forgot that this development comes with a free mosque. I wonder will they put it next to the synagogue that Teva built or perhaps maybe the Hindu temple that Tech Mahindra built.

Or the pub next to Supervalu...... now there's a stereotype for ya:):)

Gardner

to me this is the type of development that the North Quay's should have been gearing towards. got to say Cork is very impressive with it's current ongoing developments in the City and the proposed developments in the link below

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/property/docklands-plan-to-see-cork-skyline-hit-new-heights-with-countrys-tallest-building-933245.html

cgcsb

Interesting that they claim they need the rents to be over €2000 p/m to be financially viable. They obviously aren't predicting a change in government and/or government policy on housing.

Teebor15

Gardner wrote: »

to me this is the type of development that the North Quay's should have been gearing towards. got to say Cork is very impressive with it's current ongoing developments in the City and the proposed developments in the link below

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/property/docklands-plan-to-see-cork-skyline-hit-new-heights-with-countrys-tallest-building-933245.html

Remember this...

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/iconic-tower-to-lead-380m-waterford-urban-quarter-26440777.html

Different times...be interesting to see how it would have fared if it had been built back then...An iconic monument establishing the city as a major urban center...or a glorified white elephant to be ridiculed like the Ferrybank shopping center!

Wanderer78

cgcsb wrote:

Interesting that they claim they need the rents to be over €2000 p/m to be financially viable. They obviously aren't predicting a change in government and/or government policy on housing.

Disturbing more like, this thinking is deeply imbedded into our economic systems, models, I've questioned people such as Rob Cass on this, I.e. known 'negative' aspects of such major projects, unfortunately such people are simply not interested in hearing this. This thinking is deeply imbedded in the neoliberal/neoclassical economic model, we are now watching this ideology fail, and not only in this country. We cannot live in a society of continual asset price inflation, in particular in housing, and continue with policies such as relatively low wage inflation, as the outcomes are now obvious. We have to start radically changing this, and quickly. Policies such as land value taxes etc are urgently required to start addressing these issues.

This project will dramatically transform the region, it has potential to be one of finest ever created here, but.....

cgcsb

I meant it's interesting in the sense that there's an election to take place, possibly during construction of their scheme, and the current right wing housing policy is deeply unpopular, but they have the confidence to proceed none the less. If policy changes, and housing becomes affordable for the middle class, the number of people interested in €24k per annum apartments is bound do be greatly reduced.

vriesmays

It says in the N&S that they can't put the water piping beneath the wharf so have to come up with another solution.

Deiseen

vriesmays wrote: »

It says in the N&S that they can't put the water piping beneath the wharf so have to come up with another solution.

Niall Harringto gave it as an example of challenges they had to overcome. Sounded like they had solved it.

vriesmays

That's OK so, will no doubt get built on schedule and on budget.

fricatus

Oh how easy it is to be the hurler on the ditch!

I'll pick up a copy of the N&S later, looking forward to reading for myself about how this is all progressing.

Deiseen

vriesmays wrote: »

That's OK so, will no doubt get built on schedule and on budget.

Are you alright lad? Ya seem a bit tense or something.

alta stare

vriesmays wrote: »

It says in the N&S that they can't put the water piping beneath the wharf so have to come up with another solution.

This is why Engineers get paid well. They solve problems. In the grand scheme of things id say that issue is small one for them.