€300M Investment into Waterford City

wakka12

If this goes through, Waterford will arguably become Irelands 4th most important city over galway

Deiseen

wakka12 wrote: »

If this goes through, Waterford will arguably become Irelands 4th most important city over galway

It'll be great but we have a lot of catching up to do to get even anywhere near Galway.

Teebor15

wakka12 wrote: »

If this goes through, Waterford will arguably become Irelands 4th most important city over galway

Galway will still be way ahead of us on population, tourism, FDI and they have a proper university. Plus we will always struggle due to our weak political setup. When this is done along with Michael Street, Waterford city centre will be far more impressive than Galway. Still a long way to go but hopefully it will be the catalyst to closing the gap.

The "Guardian of the Deise" proposal can really drive our tourism product to a new level but only if its done right as in decent quality and significant scale where you can climb up and look from the top. Misery hill or Mount Misery, I'm not sure of the correct title presents a perfect opportunity for a project like this. We need something to put us on the international tourist map again. Something like the Guinness Storehouse, Cliff of Moher, something that if your visiting Ireland from abroad is a must see. Waterford Crystal did it in years gone by doesn't have the same draw anymore.

Harry Palmr

Not sure we could create a 900 foot high sheer cliff face The obvious place for the guardian notion is of course in Kilkenny Love to see that in a planning application on a desk in County Hall, John street.

cgcsb

Galway's Ceannt Quarter development could yet mean it'll keep the 4th City title. Overall Irish cities will become more densely populated and that'll mean cultural change from a mostly rural people to a mostly urban people, a transition which was made in the rest of Europe many generations ago. Invariably this will mean a significant cultural change almost all aspects of how we live. Car ownership will drop, retaurant and cafe culture will increase as will the variety of entertainment. The consumer spending profile will change quite a bit. The Garden centres may not be as prevalent a weekend excursion.

Azatadine

Teebor15 wrote: »

Galway will still be way ahead of us on population, tourism, FDI and they have a proper university. Plus we will always struggle due to our weak political setup. .

Just a comment that in the media 'cities like Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway' always get mentioned but rarely Waterford or Kilkenny.

Harry Palmr

the Brown Thomas effect - until we have a BT department store will will never get true recognition.

Kilkenny is not a city other than in name for needless historical reasons.

Jack Barlowe

a branch of BT's would suit a particular site on the Quay

Pablo Escobar

Azatadine wrote: »

Just a comment that in the media 'cities like Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway' always get mentioned but rarely Waterford or Kilkenny.

It's related to population size. All of the above fit into Dublin. Limerick, Galway and Kilkenny would fit into Cork. Waterford and Kilkenny would fit into Galway. You have to draw a line somewhere or you'd be mentioning every urban settlement in the country.

Deiseen

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

It's related to population size. All of the above fit into Dublin. Limerick, Galway and Kilkenny would fit into Cork. Waterford and Kilkenny would fit into Galway. You have to draw a line somewhere or you'd be mentioning every urban settlement in the country.

Its not that. Waterford is the 5th and final city. It also has a much larger population than the next urban centre.

If you're going to draw a line then the logical option is to draw it after Waterford.

vriesmays

After a united Ireland, Waterford City won't even be in the top 10 towns for population size.

Deiseen

vriesmays wrote: »

After a united Ireland, Waterford City won't even be in the top 10 towns for population size.

Wrong.

Yet again.

Dum_Dum

vriesmays wrote: »

After a united Ireland, Waterford City won't even be in the top 10 towns for population size.

This matters little - once a certain population threshold has passed. A threshold that supports properly those things we have been denied for decades: University, first-world healthcare, a vibrant local economy, access to mass aviation .... nothing that any other place doesn't have access to. I'd say the population threshold has already been surpassed.



Smaller places are often better places to live, especially if they have easy access to larger markets.


A more interesting and challenging task is making Waterford a place to aspire into, rather than aspire out of. Limerick suffers from this too. Tellingly, both have a manufacturing heritage.



Galway was a completely unremarkable market town until very recently. Now it's a middle class favourite especially with the people that matter - and so the patronage follows.



People like vriesmays et al reinforce the negativity, jumping in to compare Waterford with Mogadishu. They are joined, of course, by others from outside who believe in the zero-sum game; that a gain here is a loss somewhere else - namely, for them.

Deiseen

Dum_Dum wrote: »

This matters little - once a certain population threshold has passed. A threshold that supports properly those things we have been denied for decades: University, first-world healthcare, a vibrant local economy, access to mass aviation .... nothing that any other place doesn't have access to. I'd say the population threshold has already been surpassed.



Smaller places are often better places to live, especially if they have easy access to larger markets.


A more interesting and challenging task is making Waterford a place to aspire into, rather than aspire out of. Limerick suffers from this too. Tellingly, both have a manufacturing heritage.



Galway was a completely unremarkable market town until very recently. Now it's a middle class favourite especially with the people that matter - and so the patronage follows.



People like vriesmays et al reinforce the negativity, jumping in to compare Waterford with Mogadishu. They are joined, of course, by others from outside who believe in the zero-sum game; that a gain here is a loss somewhere else - namely, for them.

Your last point hits the nail on the head. Ireland is so small and insignificant in the world that we need to be shouting from the rooftops about the good points of every corner of the country. Not just the ones we are from or the ones we like.

How does coming on here (from Dublin?) and slamming the 5th and last major urban centre of Ireland benefit the country? It doesn't!

Its unpatriotic, its ignorant, its short sighted and its completely foolish. This "my small town is better than your small town" attitude (and yes the dubs have this too) is the one thing that holds Ireland back. Maybe it comes from the old divide and conquer, but it is well and truly alive in Modern Ireland.

vriesmays

Dum_Dum wrote: »

This matters little - once a certain population threshold has passed. A threshold that supports properly those things we have been denied for decades: University, first-world healthcare, a vibrant local economy, access to mass aviation .... nothing that any other place doesn't have access to. I'd say the population threshold has already been surpassed.

It does matter, if Wateford gets a university then Northern towns with a bigger population should also get one. There can't be 15 universities on this island; that's just daft. There's no negativity just realism. Watch the clips from the 1980s on the RTE Archive site about Waterford discussing a new university. Same old thinking 30 years later.

Dum_Dum wrote: »

Smaller places are often better places to live, especially if they have easy access to larger markets.

Smaller places are where 3rd world migrants get dumped. Yesterday Ireland agreed up take more migrants from Africa. They already have the highest unemployment rates here.

Dum_Dum wrote: »

A more interesting and challenging task is making Waterford a place to aspire into, rather than aspire out of. Limerick suffers from this too. Tellingly, both have a manufacturing heritage.

How exactly are people going aspire to move there.

Dum_Dum wrote: »

Galway was a completely unremarkable market town until very recently. Now it's a middle class favourite especially with the people that matter - and so the patronage follows.

Waterford has Ireland's highest rate for single parents, addicts getting treated, and minimum wage jobs. Why would middle-class people move there.

Dum_Dum wrote: »

People like vriesmays et al reinforce the negativity, jumping in to compare Waterford with Mogadishu. They are joined, of course, by others from outside who believe in the zero-sum game; that a gain here is a loss somewhere else - namely, for them.

It's called realism. Once Waterford gets this, then that, and finally a huge statue the town will be saved. Even those dopes in North Tipperary calling for a casino complex have come to their senses.

cgcsb

Well there aren't any towns in the north bigger than Waterford other than suburbs of Belfast. That being said building an airport and a university isn't going to fix that. The north quays project will be great for Waterford as will improved rail access and bus system. If an appetite for air services comes back then so be it. Maybe even a university in the future. Forcing those things in there first isn't a solution though

Christy Browne

vriesmays wrote: »

It does matter, if Wateford gets a university then Northern towns with a bigger population should also get one. There can't be 15 universities on this island; that's just daft. There's no negativity just realism. Watch the clips from the 1980s on the RTE Archive site about Waterford discussing a new university. Same old thinking 30 years later.



Smaller places are where 3rd world migrants get dumped. Yesterday Ireland agreed up take more migrants from Africa. They already have the highest unemployment rates here.


How exactly are people going aspire to move there.


Waterford has Ireland's highest rate for single parents, addicts getting treated, and minimum wage jobs. Why would middle-class people move there.


It's called realism. Once Waterford gets this, then that, and finally a huge statue the town will be saved. Even those dopes in North Tipperary calling for a casino complex have come to their senses.

Do you have any solutions for anything so? What should we be aiming for? You seem to think Waterford is a sh*thole yet simultaneously knock any attempt to improve the place. What’s the end game here? Enlighten us all please.

Won’t even go into the Gemma O’Doherty regurgitated nonsense because anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that’s absolute tripe.

Aquos76

Ive deleted the last two comments as they are totally off topic and I’m not going to have the whole thread derailed again.

Deiseen

Is planning going in before the end of July then or what?

What's the hold up? Has something been flagged or come up?

gscully

Deiseen wrote: »

Is planning going in before the end of July then or what?

What's the hold up? Has something been flagged or come up?

It's not the end of July yet. Or the world for that matter. Relax.

Christy Browne

https://twitter.com/deisesupes/status/1154442651757760514?s=21

Harry Palmr

No minor ones either I'd hope. Tis is what they are paid to do after all.

robcass78

Harry Palmr wrote: »

No minor ones either I'd hope. Tis is what they are paid to do after all.

Or go on holidays. Depends on who you ask..

Jamie2k9

http://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/projects/public-consultations/index.htm

Jamie2k9

I would ask everyone reading this to submit a response and request escalators in addition to steps if possible for platform access.

Irish Rail are used to doing steps/lift platform access (easy way out) when escalators should be seriously considered and make people's lifes easier.

Harry Palmr

Does anyone know what's happening with regard to the row of cottages that runs up to the Top Oil service station? Some are still occupied. Will the end section still in use be retained or are CPO's in the post?

Road-Hog

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Does anyone know what's happening with regard to the row of cottages that runs up to the Top Oil service station? Some are still occupied. Will the end section still in use be retained or are CPO's in the post?

Not sure but could the owners have been approached by the saudis or council and asked to do a land swap as in those living in the cottages/houses are given a gaff in amongst the new development....?

Waterboy2014

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

I would ask everyone reading this to submit a response and request escalators in addition to steps if possible for platform access.

Irish Rail are used to doing steps/lift platform access (easy way out) when escalators should be seriously considered and make people's lifes easier.

I could be wrong but I think there are escalators clearly in the plans. To the right of the main steps.

Waterboy2014

Really a big optimist about the whole North Quays development. I think it has the capacity to change the face of Waterford for the better. Have to say though, I am slightly disappointed by the video released last week of the development. Out of all the mock ups I've seen to date, it's by far the least interesting in my opinion. Also, I hope I'm wrong but it looks quite prefabricated... it almost has a Railway Square feel about it which would be massively disappointing. Hopefully the finished product looks better and it doesn't date very badly.

Max Powers

Waterboy2014 wrote: »

I could be wrong but I think there are escalators clearly in the plans. To the right of the main steps.

Yep, saw them too