Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

Annie get your Run

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It's the idiots who block the cycle/pedestrian crossing at that bridge that get my goat. How hard is it to read the road ahead and predict that traffic gets heavy at rush hour so you may not be able to complete the crossing, and just hold back instead? There could well be 100+ pedestrians and 50+ bikes crossing at any change of lights on a busy day, and they frequently have to squeeze past some selfish git blocking the crossing.

This morning I got a lecture from a guy for 'nearly causing a crash' because I changed lane to make a right turn. I think he was really pi$$ed that the lady in front of him let me in. He went on to blow through a very late amber at the next lights and get stuck in the middle of the crossing on the red.

:eek::eek::eek: But but BUT they're so IMPORTANT, they need to be somewhere quicker than everyone else dontcha know :rolleyes:

TBH I think they do read the road ahead and think to themselves "I don't care I'm getting through these lights come hell or high water"

Sarz91

Cycling in this morning through donnybrook a cyclist in front of me was close to causing an accident. I left a decent amount of room when i went to overtake, I'm talking a bus lane worth of room. As I'm overtaking she swings right into me. Having never indicated i didn't see this coming, she didn't look over her shoulder to check if there was oncoming traffic she just all of a sudden veered sharply to the right. Had it been a bus or a motorbike it could well have been the end of her.

radia

Coming in this morning I stopped for a red light at Charlemont St bridge. White van was to the right of me. When the light went green, I was faster off the mark than he was, so I'd crossed the junction and was halfway across the bridge before he caught up with me. Nonetheless he still felt it was important at that point to overtake me in order to immediately cut across me (about 6 inches to spare) and turn left in front of the Barge. No indication of course. Gobsh*te. I estimate he saved approx. 1.5 secs by not remaining behind me for those last few metres (i.e. the second half of the bridge's length). Seemed utterly oblivious to any potential problem as he left hooked me. Sure I was only a cyclist, and the lane he was cutting across was just a cycle track; I couldn't possibly be going fast and would obviously yield to the far more important van driver.
And yet I bet he wouldn't move across an inside car lane like that.

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Later in the same journey, a cyclist ahead of me was nearly taken out of it as we went along Hatch St, by a car swinging across her to turn left into the entrance between the back of the concert hall and the Iveagh Gardens. Again, no hesitation or indication by the car, just turned without a second thought.

This kind of thing happens so often that it doesn't even shock/scare me as much as it used to.

trente

Cyclists, please stop breaking lights. Some of the near misses for pedestrians at red lights is also dangerous and too common

Pinch Flat

trente wrote: »

Cyclists, please stop breaking lights. Some of the near misses for pedestrians at red lights is also dangerous and too common

I agree. I'd also request the same of zombie pedestrians, more of whom seem to be fixated on phone screens - the Luas tracks at heuston / park gate street is a bug bear of mine.

I had a millennial Mid-FaceTime reprimand me recently in the cycle lane at Kevin street when she nearly walked into me. Like, LOL.

trente

Pinch Flat wrote: »

I agree. I'd also request the same of zombie pedestrians, more of whom seem to be fixated on phone screens - the Luas tracks at heuston / park gate street is a bug bear of mine.

I had a millennial Mid-FaceTime reprimand me recently in the cycle lane at Kevin street when she nearly walked into me. Like, LOL.

I definitely agree. 100%

mrcheez

trente wrote: »

Cyclists, please stop breaking lights when the roadway isn't clear or pedestrians are crossing, otherwise it's just a mild annoyance. Some of the near misses for pedestrians at red lights is also dangerous and too common

FYP

trente

mrcheez wrote: »

FYP

Is it the law that cyclist mustn't break lights?

Tombo2001

trente wrote: »

Cyclists, please stop breaking lights. Some of the near misses for pedestrians at red lights is also dangerous and too common

Just an FYI

(My understanding is)
The last recorded pedestrian death due to a collision with a cyclist was in 2002.
The last recorded pedestrian cyclist death due to a collision with a pedestrian was in 2015 (this took place on a cycle lane).

Of course you are right, cyclists break red lights and this is an annoyance and potentially dangerous to pedestrians. However, its not part of the conversation around high level risks on the road, from a statistical perspective (in other words, its not a significant cause of severe accidents).

mp31

Annie get your Run wrote: »

Jesus that's beyond awful, I hope you're okay KS and here's hoping the motorist gets what they deserve. Glad to hear others stopped to help.

+1... and please report it via TrafficWatch

Tenzor07

trente wrote: »

Cyclists, please stop breaking lights. Some of the near misses for pedestrians at red lights is also dangerous and too common

I don't see you going onto the Motors forums asking Car/van or Motorbike drivers to slow down and not break red lights etc, a far bigger cause of serious pedestrian(and cyclist) injuries and worse than a pedal cyclist!

Beasty

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BoardsMember

mr spuckler wrote: »

i've had numerous dangerous overtakes there, by cars overtaking me on the bridge and then turning left immediately onto Adelaide road. the fact that it's happened to me several times means i know it's coming as they skim past me and hence am ready to jump on the brakes but it still pisses me off no end.

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kind of on the same point, has anyone ever gone to the gardaí and asked them to pay attention to a particular junction etc? like it really would be shooting fish in a barrel if they stood there during rush hour every morning. i'm thinking of doing it for a cycle lane in raheny that's constantly parked in during its hours of use / operation.

I did late last year. Cyclists (of which I am one) were routinely breaking the pedestrian lights in Terenure in the morning, lights outside the boys national school and Aldi. So a busy crossing with kids, buggies, parents crossing all the time from 8.30 to 9. I contacted the Gardai and the next day and the following days there was someone town-side of the lights pulling in cyclists. I also brought to their attention that the sequence for Green Man was very short, quickly going flashing amber, which cyclists took as a blast-through signal. Within a week they had remarked the crossing, changed the lights and changed the sequence so that it is a long Green Man now. So it is worth a shot.

V-man

RayCun wrote: »

How about

would you be happy if car drivers adopted a policy of rolling up, taking a look, and driving through when they thought it was safe?

Yes, cars are bigger and heavier, but if the roadway is clear and there are no pedestrians crossing, that's not a problem, is it?

That is exactly what I see motorists doing everyday, everywhere, multiple times.
But why people only complain about cyclists and turning a blind eye for the real problem, motorists?

RayCun

V-man wrote: »

That is exactly what I see motorists doing everyday, everywhere, multiple times.
But why people only complain about cyclists and turning a blind a day for the real problem, motorists?

What makes you think I turn a blind eye to motorists?

It's much more dangerous when a car goes through lights, or a driver is on the phone, or not paying attention to other road users. The gardai should crack down on it, I'd feel a lot safer if traffic laws were enforced.

But, as we all know, there is no clear division between cyclists and motorists. People cycle sometimes, they drive sometimes. And when I see cyclists ignoring traffic lights, for example, because they reckon it is safe, I wonder what they are like when they get behind the wheel.

Tombo2001

RayCun wrote: »

What makes you think I turn a blind eye to motorists?

It's much more dangerous when a car goes through lights, or a driver is on the phone, or not paying attention to other road users. The gardai should crack down on it, I'd feel a lot safer if traffic laws were enforced.

But, as we all know, there is no clear division between cyclists and motorists. People cycle sometimes, they drive sometimes. And when I see cyclists ignoring traffic lights, for example, because they reckon it is safe, I wonder what they are like when they get behind the wheel.

My own view is that being both a cyclist and a motorist will make you better at both cycling and driving. You understand both perspectives.

You are right that a lot of cyclists are also motorists. A substantial portion aren't - especially teenagers and young foreign nationals.

However, most motorists are not also cyclists.

Tenzor07

RayCun wrote: »

but, as we all know, there is no clear division between cyclists and motorists. People cycle sometimes, they drive sometimes. And when I see cyclists ignoring traffic lights, for example, because they reckon it is safe, I wonder what they are like when they get behind the wheel.

So what do you think cyclist to motorist and vice-versa are like when they switch modes of transport?

RayCun

Tenzor07 wrote: »

So what do you think cyclist to motorist and vice-versa are like when they switch modes of transport?

I'm unlikely to recognise another cyclist seeing them cycling again a week later. Chances of recognising them when they are driving a car are much lower. So I can't really tell.

I'm sure some are better drivers, because they are on the look-out for cyclists.

Perhaps some are terrible drivers, because it doesn't matter which mode of transport they are using, they ignore the rules of the road and do whatever is most convenient for them.

Tenzor07

RayCun wrote: »

Perhaps some are terrible drivers, because it doesn't matter which mode of transport they are using, they ignore the rules of the road and do whatever is most convenient for them.

I think you answered your own question so, that people's behavior is not directly related to there mode of transport and more so to there own standards of morality...

RayCun

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I think you answered your own question so, that people's behavior is not directly related to there mode of transport and more so to there own standards of morality...

So you think that cyclists who break the rules are probably also drivers that break the rules?

BoardsMember

Speaking for myself, I would never break a light in a car, as a cyclist I would break a light in certain circumstances.

Obviously depends on the individual, but for me I am fairly sure I am more aware of, careful around & courteous to cyclists than I would be if I never cycled a bike.

Johnnio13

+1 Kasir Sose on reporting it.

The majority of the stories here relate to Dublin junctions. I've been through most of them over 15 years of cycling around Dublin and the same ones are still big problems, all mentioned here. (Ranelagh, around the Barge in general, Dorset Street etc. )
Now I'm West the only time (touch wood) I encounter the aggressive driving behaviour is during the morning/evening commute and stupid driving to date has been due to complete lack of use of wing mirrors around Galway city and Salthill. They just don't expect cyclists.
My closest in Galway so far is being over taken by a van driver in Salthill on Monday who I could see in his wing mirror was looking right and immediately after passing me pulls into the curb in front of me. Hadn't seen me at all. I banged on the door and spoke out angrily that he needed to use his f$%king mirrors when making lefts and rights etc. And he just nodded from the safety of the cabin. He even locked the door.
It was only when I was cycling away, fuming, that I saw what spooked him. I had the garden sheers on my cross bar as I just had them sharpened!!

Tenzor07

RayCun wrote: »

So you think that cyclists who break the rules are probably also drivers that break the rules?

Does it matter what I think? You'd have to conduct a survey or behavioral analysis of all road users to find that one out...

magicbastarder

BoardsMember wrote: »

Speaking for myself, I would never break a light in a car, as a cyclist I would break a light in certain circumstances.

i adhere to higher standards driving than i would cycling. i've even been known to do a u-turn on a one way road on a bike, a manouevre i'd consider lunatic in a car.

BoardsMember

magicbastarder wrote: »

i adhere to higher standards driving than i would cycling. i've even been known to do a u-turn on a one way road on a bike, a manouevre i'd consider lunatic in a car.

I think that's the case with a lot of cyclists, certainly is with any friends that I have cycled with anyhow.

RayCun

BoardsMember wrote: »

Speaking for myself, I would never break a light in a car, as a cyclist I would break a light in certain circumstances.

If it is okay to break a red light on a bike when it is safe, why is it not okay to break a red light in a car when it is safe?

BoardsMember

RayCun wrote: »

If it is okay to break a red light on a bike when it is safe, why is it not okay to break a red light in a car when it is safe?

Who said it was ok?

magicbastarder

ehh... because the consequences can be far worse if you do get it wrong?
is that a trick question?

Tombo2001

magicbastarder wrote: »

ehh... because the consequences can be far worse if you do get it wrong?
is that a trick question?

If its ok to drive at 51k an hour in a 50k zone, is it ok to drive at 151k in a 50k zone.

its not ok to do either, by the law.

Lots of people drive at 51k an hour in a 50k zone.

Not many people reach 151k an hour.

V-man

"If a cyclist waits for green, and a bus or HGV or car wants to turn left … that’s how most cyclists in London are being killed"

Link:
Should cyclists be allowed to run red lights?