Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

Danbo!

sullivlo wrote: »

I got hit this morning. Or rather had a collision. Traffic was at a standstill but I had a green light so I kept going. Car was turning right and no matter how hard I braked I couldn't stop. Hit him side on. Arm went through the window. Helmet dented his door and I took a few knocks.

Glad you didnt fare worse, sounds nasty

sullivlo wrote: »

He tried to drive away and refused to give me his details...

Christ

sullivlo

mr spuckler wrote: »

jesus, where did this happen?

leaving the scene of an incident and refusing to provide details are offences afaik.

edit...did he admit liability?

Nope. He said I was in the wrong. I had a green light but the traffic was stopped because of traffic so he went and didn't see me. He blamed me.

The gardai took all the details anyway and I'll ring them tomorrow to get them from them.

Happened on gardiner street.

Oh and a girl saw the whole thing and gave me her number as a witness, she couldn't stay but the gardai took her details.

mr spuckler

probably not at the forefront of your mind right now but would you consider logging on the collision tracker at Dublin Inquirer?

http://www.dublininquirer.com/2015/10/20/bicycle-collision-tracker/

hope you recover quickly, that sounds like a horrible shock (and injuries obviously) to get.

LpPepper

sullivlo wrote: »

Nope. He said I was in the wrong. I had a green light but the traffic was stopped because of traffic so he went and didn't see me. He blamed me.

The gardai took all the details anyway and I'll ring them tomorrow to get them from them.

Happened on gardiner street.

Oh and a girl saw the whole thing and gave me her number as a witness, she couldn't stay but the gardai took her details.

It's bad enough for him to try drive off and leave you injured but then to blame it on you....boils my blood. Make sure charges are brought against him, and get well soon.

RayCun

sullivlo wrote: »

Nope. He said I was in the wrong. I had a green light but the traffic was stopped because of traffic so he went and didn't see me. He blamed me.

ffs

(8) A driver approaching a road junction and intending to turn right at the junction shall yield the right of way to a vehicle approaching on the same road from the opposite direction and intending to proceed straight through the junction.

But attempting to leave the scene of an accident :mad:

Danbo!

sullivlo wrote: »

Nope. He said I was in the wrong. I had a green light but the traffic was stopped because of traffic so he went and didn't see me. He blamed me.

This really worries me. Had the same experience. It's not inconsiderate driving, but just ignorance to the ROTR. They're convinced they're right and I'm not sure how you can ever get through to these people. Sure people make mistakes all the time and maybe hold their hands up, there's a lot of ignorance out there. RSA campaigns and ads etc probably don't grab their attention as they think they're right.

Sometimes I worry if I am doing something wrong but I'm convinced im right too!

helimachoptor

yeah this is pretty common on my commute, happened earlier this week but expected it so had slowed down.

I definitely think in the last couple of months i've encountered a large increase in motorists:

- Not paying attention
-Not following the rules of the road
- just not giving a ****

I love Sean nos

Danbo! wrote: »

They're convinced they're right and I'm not sure how you can ever get through to these people.

A conviction or two would fix that for this chap, but that's work for the Gardai and they're not fans of that kind of thing.

CramCycle

On a more positive note (there is a close pass int he story), I was heading out the N4 yesterday, one of those roads that everyone says is actually a motorway in all but name. Using the bus lane, had a BE bus behind me, waited patiently and when the road widened slightly I pulled in and let him pass. The next BE behind me aslo waited patiently, when I was sure ti was safe, I merged over into the traffic lane which was at a crawl and waved him through. Every bus and every taxi driver gave me huge room without much stress, it was lovely.

One of those fertility trucks though decided at the Lucan turn off that despite only being 10m off the car in front, they should skim me (and I mean if my handlebars had not moved over the kerb, I would have been sitting in her passenger seat). They got caught at the turn off, I didn't even bother giving out. I had that feeling that it would be comparable to standing in front of a brick wall and shouting, might feel good for a minute but then you realise the futility and you just feel stupid.

I love Sean nos

CramCycle wrote: »

fertility trucks

Beasty

I love Sean nos wrote: »

He follows them round hoping they shed some of their load.....:pac:

magicbastarder

LpPepper wrote: »

It's bad enough for him to try drive off and leave you injured but then to blame it on you....

he may have just been looking for an excuse to leave before the gardai arrived. if someone broke your window and you did truly believe they were in the wrong, why would you not hang around to try to seek redress?

magicbastarder

Beasty wrote: »

He follows them round hoping they shed some of their load.....:pac:

stop egging him on.

Weepsie

magicbastarder wrote: »

he may have just been looking for an excuse to leave before the gardai arrived. if someone broke your window and you did truly believe they were in the wrong, why would you not hang around to try to seek redress?

Even if he hadn't been to blame, you need to be a fairly awful human being to be willing to just drive off and leave someone like that.

Sullivlo, best of luck in the recovery. For the fact they tried driving off, I hope that other person gets royally shafted

Feckofff

Weepsie wrote: »

Even if he hadn't been to blame, you need to be a fairly awful human being to be willing to just drive off and leave someone like that.

Sullivlo, best of luck in the recovery. For the fact they tried driving off, I hope that other person gets royally shafted

Probably no tax, insurance, NCT, learner driver etc etc.

It is probably worth trying to driving away if it saves a multi year driving ban and a trip to court.

sullivlo

He was a non-national and it was a left hand drive car. He had no tax/insurance displayed but that may be a different requirement elsewhere? He was living and working in Dublin though, and I overheard the garda tell discuss how he was meant to have re-registered the car in Ireland. I don't know what happened with him in the end as the gardai said I needed the hospital (gash on my arm was bleeding badly) and made me get into an ambulance. He was still there when I got into the ambulance though.

Lemming

sullivlo wrote: »

He was a non-national and it was a left hand drive car. He had no tax/insurance displayed but that may be a different requirement elsewhere? He was living and working in Dublin though, and I overheard the garda tell discuss how he was meant to have re-registered the car in Ireland. I don't know what happened with him in the end as the gardai said I needed the hospital (gash on my arm was bleeding badly) and made me get into an ambulance. He was still there when I got into the ambulance though.

As an FYI, some countries are not required to display tax and/or insurance. Here in the UK, up until last year you only had to display car tax certificates as the insurance is against you the driver, not the car. They have since abolished the issuing and display of tax discs now relying on number plate recognition systems in police cars & static positions, etc.

I'd be quick to follow up on the driver's insurance details lest he try to "go away on holiday for a few months" and/or lose his mobile phone.

CramCycle

I love Sean nos wrote: »

A name given to 7 or 9 seater cars, as parents tend to buy them as their family begins to expand exponentially. It is hard to tell whether they buy the car and then feel the need to fill it to get value for money, or if they buy the car knowing they are going to fill it. Unsure if the owning of this type of truck is causative of large families or just correlated.

LpPepper

Not a "near-miss" but could have been a near miss had the driver attempt this a few seconds earlier or later...

Sitting at the lights and the green man comes on, next of all this Fiat van comes down behind me on the wrong side of the road overtaking stopped traffic and rolls up beside me, then just drives straight through the pedestrian lights.

Worth reporting? Whole family including kids in the van (7 seater thing)

Tombo2001

LpPepper wrote: »

Not a "near-miss" but could have been a near miss had the driver attempt this a few seconds earlier or later...

Sitting at the lights and the green man comes on, next of all this Fiat van comes down behind me on the wrong side of the road overtaking stopped traffic and rolls up beside me, then just drives straight through the pedestrian lights.

Worth reporting? Whole family including kids in the van (7 seater thing)

Yes worth reporting, that's a shocker.

I love Sean nos

CramCycle wrote: »

A name given to 7 or 9 seater cars, as parents tend to buy them as their family begins to expand exponentially. It is hard to tell whether they buy the car and then feel the need to fill it to get value for money, or if they buy the car knowing they are going to fill it. Unsure if the owning of this type of truck is causative of large families or just correlated.

I've always just called them kuntwagons.

cython

That's worse than the clown that I encountered yesterday evening along here. Traffic was backed up from the level crossing south of this point to well past the junction. The crossing had just opened (I had been stopped at it myself and was at the front of the traffic heading north from it) and the southbound traffic was going to clear, but one chump decides he can't wait, and proceed to drive on the wrong side of the road, to overtake and make a left turn.

I had to slow before the junction because otherwise he was going to go head on into me. Sure I'm only a cyclist and he gave me a wave at me though, so that makes it alright, yeah? Oh, and the lights were green, so at least he has the moral high ground over all us RLJ-ing cyclists.....

I'll admit to flipping him the bird in return for this wave, as a sarcastic wave of my own ran too much risk of being confused with being genuine!

Pinch Flat

cython wrote: »

That's worse than the clown that I encountered yesterday evening along here. Traffic was backed up from the level crossing south of this point to well past the junction. The crossing had just opened (I had been stopped at it myself and was at the front of the traffic heading north from it) and the southbound traffic was going to clear, but one chump decides he can't wait, and proceed to drive on the wrong side of the road, to overtake and make a left turn.

I had to slow before the junction because otherwise he was going to go head on into me. Sure I'm only a cyclist and he gave me a wave at me though, so that makes it alright, yeah? Oh, and the lights were green, so at least he has the moral high ground over all us RLJ-ing cyclists.....

I'll admit to flipping him the bird in return for this wave, as a sarcastic wave of my own ran too much risk of being confused with being genuine!

Blanchardstown shopping center is near here, so probably a good reason. Maybe it was closing soon or something?

Moflojo

LpPepper wrote: »

Not a "near-miss" but could have been a near miss had the driver attempt this a few seconds earlier or later...

Sitting at the lights and the green man comes on, next of all this Fiat van comes down behind me on the wrong side of the road overtaking stopped traffic and rolls up beside me, then just drives straight through the pedestrian lights.

Worth reporting? Whole family including kids in the van (7 seater thing)

That's crazy, obnoxious, or both. Report the fool.

Unknown Soldier

LpPepper wrote: »

Not a "near-miss" but could have been a near miss had the driver attempt this a few seconds earlier or later...

Sitting at the lights and the green man comes on, next of all this Fiat van comes down behind me on the wrong side of the road overtaking stopped traffic and rolls up beside me, then just drives straight through the pedestrian lights.

Worth reporting? Whole family including kids in the van (7 seater thing)

How many cars did you pass on the right to get up the front? I could only see three in the video, and I was wondering.

punisher5112

Report that driver is dangerous.

5uspect

cython wrote: »

That's worse than the clown that I encountered yesterday evening along here. Traffic was backed up from the level crossing south of this point to well past the junction. The crossing had just opened (I had been stopped at it myself and was at the front of the traffic heading north from it) and the southbound traffic was going to clear, but one chump decides he can't wait, and proceed to drive on the wrong side of the road, to overtake and make a left turn.

I had to slow before the junction because otherwise he was going to go head on into me. Sure I'm only a cyclist and he gave me a wave at me though, so that makes it alright, yeah? Oh, and the lights were green, so at least he has the moral high ground over all us RLJ-ing cyclists.....

I'll admit to flipping him the bird in return for this wave, as a sarcastic wave of my own ran too much risk of being confused with being genuine!

I cycle this way on my commute. I've had some awful numpties along here riled up from waiting at the level crossing.

Earlier this week as I was approaching the lights at the north end of this road and I was pretty far ahead of the trailing traffic (I managed to beat the previous light). I checked behind me and moved out to prepare to stop at the red lights for turning right when a red Yaris shot past me and immediately slammed on the brakes and stuck on the handbrake. I went past and gave the driver a WTF look not that she noticed.

mr spuckler

had 2 bad ones this evening on my way home. strangely enough i rarely have them and had 3 in 1 day after my campervan incident this morning.

and all of them happened while my front camera was out of battery!

LpPepper

Unknown Soldier wrote: »

How many cars did you pass on the right to get up the front? I could only see three in the video, and I was wondering.

Probably 4 or 5, why what difference does it make?

Moflojo

LpPepper wrote: »

Probably 4 or 5, why what difference does it make?

I was wondering the same - to know how many cars the minivan would have passed before breaking the red light.

Kaisr Sose

sullivlo wrote: »

I got hit this morning. Or rather had a collision. Traffic was at a standstill but I had a green light so I kept going. Car was turning right and no matter how hard I braked I couldn't stop. Hit him side on. Arm went through the window. Helmet dented his door and I took a few knocks.

He tried to drive away and refused to give me his details so I called the gardai. They arrived and were very helpful. They called an ambulance for me as I had a nasty gash on my arm. And they kept my (now mangled) bike.

Needed X-ray to rule out neck injury and to rule out a fractured arm. Came back clear so just needed some stitches. But I'm in agony now that the adrenaline has worn off. Every part of me aches.

I'm so lucky that I was wearing a helmet. I'm marked on my head but it's okay, but I wouldn't like to think what would happen if I had no helmet on.

Sorry to hear about that. Hope you are feeling better or at least no worse. Injuries can become sorer for a few days. The motorist was a fool-literally. Failure to remain at the scene of an accident is an offence - as is refusing to give personal details/insurance.

degsie

LpPepper wrote: »

Not a "near-miss" but could have been a near miss had the driver attempt this a few seconds earlier or later...

Sitting at the lights and the green man comes on, next of all this Fiat van comes down behind me on the wrong side of the road overtaking stopped traffic and rolls up beside me, then just drives straight through the pedestrian lights.

Worth reporting? Whole family including kids in the van (7 seater thing)

Just as an observation, why didn't you stop at the 'stop' line at the junction, rather than straddle the pedestrian crossing? Yes, that van driver was a numpty.

Lambretta

Outside Vincent's Hospital approaching Merrion Road 12.45 pm today - very dangerous strip in general - very close shades with a lot of taxis there down through the years. (No disrespect to the many very good taxi drivers)
Car with N plate came with in centimetres of me bizarrely with a Garda car directly behind her - the clown then swerved into and took over the bike lane outside St Michaels school.
On her phone texting perhaps ... like the many drivers I noticed today doing

nilhg

Bit of a brown trousers moment on the club spin this morning, we were coming out of Ballybrittas on the old N7 with a good tailwind behind us, there was a black BMW behind, right up our hole TBH, once we cleared the traffic calming he floored it and came up outside us, just as he did a silver BMW came out of a housing estate at speed without stopping and turned up to face him, good job the road is reasonably wide, they just about missed each other and us, could have been carnage.....

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.1105853,-7.1334756,3a,75y,50.23h,72.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHoR0t8JiH6k1aLMCsI92Sg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

RacoonQueen

Danbo! wrote: »

This really worries me. Had the same experience. It's not inconsiderate driving, but just ignorance to the ROTR. They're convinced they're right and I'm not sure how you can ever get through to these people. Sure people make mistakes all the time and maybe hold their hands up, there's a lot of ignorance out there. RSA campaigns and ads etc probably don't grab their attention as they think they're right.

Sometimes I worry if I am doing something wrong but I'm convinced im right too!

In a thread in the motoring forum recently. I had to force myself to stop going in as they were all saying the cyclist would be in the wrong in this situation as the cyclist is 'undertaking' the stopped line of traffic. :rolleyes:

I tried explaining what undertaking is, but they didn't seem to understand.

magicbastarder

link?

Lemming

degsie wrote: »

Just as an observation, why didn't you stop at the 'stop' line at the junction, rather than straddle the pedestrian crossing? Yes, that van driver was a numpty.

I would hazard a guess that they did so for visibililty purposes. Depending on how far forward to the line (or over the line/cycle box as the case may be ... ) the traffic has stopped I will sit a little further forward so that I am forward of any blind-spots and clearly visible in front of them. Too many drivers simply do not look as they move off from junctions, and it only gets worse when you factor in the crotch-gazers who realise in a moment of panic that the lights have gone green before they noticed the change and rush to move off, assuming that the world has stood entirely still in all that time.

LpPepper

degsie wrote: »

Just as an observation, why didn't you stop at the 'stop' line at the junction, rather than straddle the pedestrian crossing? Yes, that van driver was a numpty.

Because the gap between the car at the front and the pedestrian crossing was too small for me to feel safe sitting at the top of the lights. A bit of space between them and myself isn't a bad thing.

LpPepper

Lemming wrote: »

I would hazard a guess that they did so for visibililty purposes. Depending on how far forward to the line (or over the line/cycle box as the case may be ... ) the traffic has stopped I will sit a little further forward so that I am forward of any blind-spots and clearly visible in front of them. Too many drivers simply do not look as they move off from junctions, and it only gets worse when you factor in the crotch-gazers who realise in a moment of panic that the lights have gone green before they noticed the change and rush to move off, assuming that the world has stood entirely still in all that time.

This.

degsie

LpPepper wrote: »

Because the gap between the car at the front and the pedestrian crossing was too small for me to feel safe sitting at the top of the lights. A bit of space between them and myself isn't a bad thing.

I thought it interesting that you passed the stopped cars on the right and then swung left to re-position in the pedestrian crossing for going straight on or left. Why didn't you keep left and then just stop at the stop line where the first car would clearly see you?

Syphonax

There is a CLEAR lack of respect from all road users on our roads. A lot of road users seem to feel empowered when they get behind a vehicle of some description and there is little if no common decent courtesy but rather a strange sense of 'get out of my way'.

LpPepper

degsie wrote: »

I thought it interesting that you passed the stopped cars on the right and then swung left to re-position in the pedestrian crossing for going straight on or left. Why didn't you keep left and then just stop at the stop line where the first car would clearly see you?

Because on approach to the junction one or two of the cars were tucked right up against the curb so no space for me to filter on the left...

Kaisr Sose

LpPepper wrote: »

Because the gap between the car at the front and the pedestrian crossing was too small for me to feel safe sitting at the top of the lights. A bit of space between them and myself isn't a bad thing.

Agreed for the above and the fact that cars sit right on the kerb (sometimes having just past you so borderline deliberate obstruction). I am always amazed at the number of vehicles that will pass the stop line before stopping, stop in or beyond the advance stop box for cyclists and those that keep nudging forward. Bring on safety cameras to catch those that are blind to the meaning of each colour!

As regards the video. You should report that guy. At least four rules broken:

-Passing over a continuous white
-Ovetaking within 20m of a junction
-Breaking a red traffic light while lit
-Passing a green pedastrian light wile lit

These motoring marginal gains are a daily PITA. Some motorists believe they have an exemption on the ROTR, observation, basic driving skills. There are no reasons to justify any of those behaviours.

iwillhtfu

LpPepper wrote: »

Because the gap between the car at the front and the pedestrian crossing was too small for me to feel safe sitting at the top of the lights. A bit of space between them and myself isn't a bad thing.

If there isn't room for you then you shouldn't be there, simple.

Generally I stay behind the first car at the lights and leave him off unless there's an ASL which there wasn't here.

Unknown Soldier

helimachoptor wrote: »

yeah this is pretty common on my commute, happened earlier this week but expected it so had slowed down.

I definitely think in the last couple of months i've encountered a large increase in motorists:

- Not paying attention
-Not following the rules of the road
- just not giving a ****

I find quite a lot seem to be on FBI Book or something, it's not even texts etc

LpPepper wrote: »

Because on approach to the junction one or two of the cars were tucked right up against the curb so no space for me to filter on the left...

No they weren't. Not in the clip you posted, you could easily have tootle'd up to the lights. Tootl'd. Went slowly, with care and caution.

That's not you though.

Plenty of room on the left. I am happy to be corrected by your full video.

As I said before, your arse up, head down thing won't end well.

What you are legally entitled to to do, and what's right can be far removed.

I use that road a lot, never had an issue on the left, it's very, very wide.

Feckofff

iwillhtfu wrote: »

If there isn't room for you then you shouldn't be there, simple.

Generally I stay behind the first car at the lights and leave him off unless there's an ASL which there wasn't here.

Interesting, have you tried this in Dublin?

In my experience the following driver will want to track the "lead" driver even if that gives you no room when exiting the junction. This problem is even worse if the is car parking near the exit of the junction.

ED E

Feckofff wrote: »

Interesting, have you tried this in Dublin?

In my experience the following driver will want to track the "lead" driver even if that gives you no room when exiting the junction. This problem is even worse if the is car parking near the exit of the junction.

Read each situation as it arises but I often take up a 2nd in line position. Often when queueing for a right turn having a car either side adds a great buffer for close passes.

Fighting Tao

Tour of Louth today and there was a group nearly taken out by a northern reg jeep towing a trailer in the Colley Mountains. I was behind them and we were all travelling at about 40 kph downhill. He passed me safely and then missed a number of the group by a centimetre or two. He then started beeping at others to move out of the way. I have the reg from my rear camera but not the footage from the front camera because I must have pressed the wrong button on the camera when I changed battery at the 2 hour mark.

Then on the way back into Dundalk just after the Tain bridge I had a car pass me with about 5 centimetres to spare. Unfortunately the memory card on the rear camera was full. It was definitely deliberate as a scrote in the passenger seat stuck his head out the window looking back after it happened.

degsie

There appears to be a certain mentality with some cyclists and motorcyclists where they HAVE to sit ahead of traffic at junctions even if it means blocking pedestrian crossings and thereby stopping well beyond the stop line in breach of ROTR guidelines. Yes cars/buses/trucks often do not know what a stop line is or how it should be used, but for a cyclist it puts you in a much more vulnerable position.

RacoonQueen

ED E wrote: »

Read each situation as it arises but I often take up a 2nd in line position. Often when queueing for a right turn having a car either side adds a great buffer for close passes.

I usually do this too. Particularly if I didn't see the light turn red and can't ensure I'll make it alongside/ahead of front car on time for them to see me. If I position myself with the second or third car I can make sure they see me.

Last week, approaching a roundabout with stopped traffic, the car at the front had no indicator on so I went with them when they moved, assuming they were going straight through as I was too. They were not. They turned left and forced me to the left with them.
Had they had their left indicator on as I approached, I would have hung back and waited for them to turn so I'd have had a clear run. Alas...