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Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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    #1022
    brocbrocach
    Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭brocbrocach


    scaryfairy wrote: »
    Hi I'm curious what other tips would you have? I haven't had that bad near misses and i have been commuting into town for last 3 years but I'm thinking it might be just my route (not as bad as others')

    I'm lucky with my choice of routes too to be honest, some routes just throw trouble your way. I'd say the biggest thing for me is being predictable to other traffic.


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    #1023
    shootermacg
    Registered Users Posts: 4,844 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    You always have to allow for numpties. I had some spanner trying to just get his nose ahead of me without indicating left so that he could turn across me at the last instance. I knew he was thinking that, I also knew he wasn't indicating.

    With about 5 or 10 meters to go, he just gets his nose in front and flicks on the indicator. I roar at him, just to let him know I would be very displeased with the maneuver. Problem solved, you really have to preempt this type of behavior.


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    #1024
    ED E
    Registered Users Posts: 36,167 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    shootermacg wrote: »
    You always have to allow for numpties. I had some spanner trying to just get his nose ahead of me without indicating left so that he could turn across me at the last instance. I knew he was thinking that, I also knew he wasn't indicating.

    With about 5 or 10 meters to go, he just gets his nose in front and flicks on the indicator. I roar at him, just to let him know I would be very displeased with the maneuver. Problem solved, you really have to preempt this type of behavior.

    People indicating AS they turn is my biggest annoyance. Boils the blood.


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    #1025
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    I had a near miss myself over the weekend...I was on the Porterstown road behind 2 cyclists, one male and one female. As I approached a small incline the male who was already ahead peddled on up the road without bother but the female slowed considerably. I waited patiently behind her until it was safe to overtake at the top of the hill...I over took the first cyclist without bother (giving her the 1.5) and approached the male cyclist...There was no oncoming traffic so i indicated, gave him the 1.5 and when i was roughly 10 meters from him, he suddenly decided to turn across the road to enter the gateway of Luttrellstown Golf Club without indication or a look over his shoulder (aboviously waiting for the female)...he wasn't phased in the slightest that I was about a foot away from him after giving the ABS a full practical test.

    To be absolutely honest it was my closest close call and I nearly crapped myself...heart was racing for at least 20mins!


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    #1026
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    ED E wrote: »
    People indicating AS they turn is my biggest annoyance. Boils the blood.

    It's the absolute definition of bone selfishness.
    Roadhawk wrote: »
    I had a near miss myself over the weekend...I was on the Porterstown road behind 2 cyclists, one male and one female. As I approached a small incline the male who was already ahead peddled on up the road without bother but the female slowed considerably. I waited patiently behind her until it was safe to overtake at the top of the hill...I over took the first cyclist without bother (giving her the 1.5) and approached the male cyclist...There was no oncoming traffic so i indicated, gave him the 1.5 and when i was roughly 10 meters from him, he suddenly decided to turn across the road to enter the gateway of Luttrellstown Golf Club without indication or a look over his shoulder (aboviously waiting for the female)...he wasn't phased in the slightest that I was about a foot away from him after giving the ABS a full practical test.

    To be absolutely honest it was my closest close call and I nearly crapped myself...heart was racing for at least 20mins!

    Fair play to you on the 1.5!


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    #1027
    shootermacg
    Registered Users Posts: 4,844 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    I was about a foot away from him after giving the ABS a full practical test.

    How fast were you going? Sounds like you were accelerating pretty hard there?..


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    #1028
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    To be absolutely honest it was my closest close call and I nearly crapped myself...heart was racing for at least 20mins!

    I see similar all the time from cyclists, motorists and even pedestrians who sprint out without warning. It is a terrifying thing to witness as I found time almost slows as you mind prepares you for something you should not see. They have been lucky so far.

    I have found people who do this, never seem to be that phased by it either.


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    #1029
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    Chuchote wrote: »

    Fair play to you on the 1.5!

    Thanks but in this case it would have been pointless...


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    #1030
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    shootermacg wrote: »
    How fast were you going? Sounds like you were accelerating pretty hard there?..

    Over 10m, he was probably doing sub 30kmph to stop so quickly. The only other way to stop so quick with no warning where had he reverie some indication or inclination that it would happen and was ready.


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    #1031
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Over 10m, he was probably doing sub 30kmph to stop so quickly. The only other way to stop so quick with no warning where had he reverie some indication or inclination that it would happen and was ready.

    Correction, under 45kmph, would be an acceptable guess if giving no time for thinking it through.


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    #1032
    Roadhawk
    Registered Users Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Roadhawk


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Correction, under 45kmph, would be an acceptable guess if giving no time for thinking it through.
    CramCycle wrote: »
    Over 10m, he was probably doing sub 30kmph to stop so quickly. The only other way to stop so quick with no warning where had he reverie some indication or inclination that it would happen and was ready.
    shootermacg wrote: »
    How fast were you going? Sounds like you were accelerating pretty hard there?..

    I had actually just come to 50-55 kmph so i was in the danger zone had i have hit him.


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    #1033
    NeedMoreGears
    Registered Users Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭NeedMoreGears


    According to the interweb - http://www.driveandstayalive.com/stopping-distances/ - .....

    At 20mph it takes 20 ft to react and 20ft to stop. In the new money that's 13m to stop from 32kph. So I'd guess around 30kph

    Metric version here https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/general-rules-techniques-and-advice-for-all-drivers-and-riders-103-to-158#rule126


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    #1034
    shootermacg
    Registered Users Posts: 4,844 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    I had actually just come to 50-55 kmph so i was in the danger zone had i have hit him.
    NeedMoreGears wrote: »
    According to the interweb - http://www.driveandstayalive.com/stopping-distances/ - .....

    At 20mph it takes 20 ft to react and 20ft to stop. In the new money that's 13m to stop from 32kph. So I'd guess around 30kph

    Metric version here https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/general-rules-techniques-and-advice-for-all-drivers-and-riders-103-to-158#rule126

    So who's telling the truth?


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    #1035
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    Roadhawk wrote: »
    Thanks but in this case it would have been pointless...

    Sorry, I thought you said you did pass leaving a 1.5m gap?


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    #1036
    Moflojo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭Moflojo


    I was struck by a car in Dublin this evening. I was travelling straight and as I went through a junction a driver coming from the opposite direction turned right and drove into my back wheel. The driver braked just before the car struck me so it wasn't a violent collision. The bike was knocked over sideways and I jumped clear, landing on my feet.

    Driver pulled in and we exchanged details. There was a squad car passing just afterwards and the Guards pulled in and took information from both of us. A passing cyclist who witnessed the collision gave a statement to the Guards too. Driver was totally without remorse and repeatedly said "It wasn't my fault". The worrying thing was that the driver genuinely seemed to believe this, even though they had just driven their car into oncoming traffic and struck someone.

    Anyway, thankfully I was unhurt but it was a stark reminder of how vulnerable we are when we cycle, and how we just cannot expect that drivers are looking out for us. I was wearing a full high vis jacket and it was still broad daylight! The driver either wasn't paying attention or simply wasn't in control of the vehicle.


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    #1037
    LpPepper
    Registered Users Posts: 638 ✭✭✭LpPepper


    Moflojo wrote: »
    I was struck by a car in Dublin this evening. I was travelling straight and as I went through a junction a driver coming from the opposite direction turned right and drove into my back wheel. The driver braked just before the car struck me so it wasn't a violent collision. The bike was knocked over sideways and I jumped clear, landing on my feet.

    Driver pulled in and we exchanged details. There was a squad car passing just afterwards and the Guards pulled in and took information from both of us. A passing cyclist who witnessed the collision gave a statement to the Guards too. Driver was totally without remorse and repeatedly said "It wasn't my fault". The worrying thing was that the driver genuinely seemed to believe this, even though they had just driven their car into oncoming traffic and struck someone.

    Anyway, thankfully I was unhurt but it was a stark reminder of how vulnerable we are when we cycle, and how we just cannot expect that drivers are looking out for us. I was wearing a full high vis jacket and it was still broad daylight! The driver either wasn't paying attention or simply wasn't in control of the vehicle.

    Scary stuff to think that they believed they weren't in the wrong. Hope you're okay!


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    #1038
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,244 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Did the driver give any reason as to why he/she felt it "wasn't my fault"?


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    #1039
    shootermacg
    Registered Users Posts: 4,844 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    Did the driver give any reason as to why he/she felt it "wasn't my fault"?

    Because they don't even pay road tax Joe!


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    #1040
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users Posts: 7,762 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    shootermacg wrote: »
    Because they don't even pay road tax Joe!

    This is why we need 6' wide registration plates back and front


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    #1041
    Moflojo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭Moflojo


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    Did the driver give any reason as to why he/she felt it "wasn't my fault"?

    There was another car, in front of the car that struck me, that also pulled right across my path moments before the second car struck me. I was only about 10 metres from the junction when the first car pulled across and I had to brake to avoid t-boning it. It's a dangerous junction where drivers frequently pull right across me so I'm always cautious as I approach it. I had been eyeballing the first driver in expectation that they might pull across me so I was prepared for it. I didn't think for a second that the second driver was going to go for it too!

    The driver who struck me was attempting to blame the first driver for causing the collision. I think the logic was that because the first car had pulled across me too, it wasn't his fault that he was just following the first car. He was essentially admitting that he wasn't watching out for other traffic, he was just blindly following the driver in front (who had already carried out a dangerous manoeuvre by pulling across me).

    I'm going to get on to the council tomorrow and ask that a red filter light is installed at the junction because these near misses are quite frequent. There is a green filter light but right-turning traffic also gets a full green light which results in these risky right turns. Pedestrians are in danger at the junction because the right-turning traffic comes out at the junction from an unexpected angle. The junction is at the Big Tree for anyone familiar with the area.


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    #1042
    shootermacg
    Registered Users Posts: 4,844 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Moflojo wrote: »
    There was another car, in front of the car that struck me, that also pulled right across my path moments before the second car struck me. I was only about 10 metres from the junction when the first car pulled across and I had to brake to avoid t-boning it. It's a dangerous junction where drivers frequently pull right across me so I'm always cautious as I approach it. I had been eyeballing the first driver in expectation that they might pull across me so I was prepared for it. I didn't think for a second that the second driver was going to go for it too!

    The driver who struck me was attempting to blame the first driver for causing the collision. I think the logic was that because the first car had pulled across me too, it wasn't his fault that he was just following the first car. He was essentially admitting that he wasn't watching out for other traffic, he was just blindly following the driver in front (who had already carried out a dangerous manoeuvre by pulling across me).

    I'm going to get on to the council tomorrow and ask that a red filter light is installed at the junction because these near misses are quite frequent. There is a green filter light but right-turning traffic also gets a full green light which results in these risky right turns. Pedestrians are in danger at the junction because the right-turning traffic comes out at the junction from an unexpected angle. The junction is at the Big Tree for anyone familiar with the area.

    I'd lodge a complaint. Really you have some idiot driving without a sense of responsibility or due care for other road users. I would do whatever I could to remove him from the road.


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    #1043
    micar
    Registered Users Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭micar


    Moflojo wrote: »
    There is a green filter light but right-turning traffic also gets a full green light which results in these risky right turns. Pedestrians are in danger at the junction because the right-turning traffic comes out at the junction from an unexpected angle. The junction is at the Big Tree for anyone familiar with the area.

    Same problem happens to me going through donnybrook after the bridge past the rugby ground. I have a green light to go straight through and cars from the opposite direction turning right also have a green light.

    They really should have a flashing amber light.

    Am always wary when there are no motorists travelling in the same direction as me.

    Had similar incident happen to me there, first car turned car followed immediately by another right which almost hit me.

    Hope you're OK


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    #1044
    hesker
    Registered Users Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭hesker


    This type of incident is all too common. I have at least 4 junctions on my commute where I have right turning traffic cutting across me regularly. I'm of the mind that drivers are focussed on the line of cars coming towards them and watching that first gap appear so they can go for it. If they could even contemplate that there might be a bike in that gap you might have a chance but it never enters the head of some of them.

    I try to keep myself as tall as possible so they might see my head above the car line but most of them are completely oblivious.


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    #1045
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Moflojo wrote: »
    I was wearing a full high vis jacket and it was still broad daylight! The driver either wasn't paying attention or simply wasn't in control of the vehicle.

    Yes, but were you wearing a helmet?

    Hope you are ok, and you should absolutely press charges based on your follow up post.

    Moflojo wrote: »
    The driver who struck me was attempting to blame the first driver for causing the collision.

    That's a new level of stupid really. This person should absolutely not be in command of a vehicle of any type.

    Please follow this up with the Gardaí before he puts somebody in an early grave.


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    #1046
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,388 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    It's another example of drivers just thinking "ah sure, the car in front has done it so must be okay" that we see with amber lights every day


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    #1047
    Kaisr Sose
    Registered Users Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Moflojo wrote: »
    I was struck by a car in Dublin this evening. I was travelling straight and as I went through a junction a driver coming from the opposite direction turned right and drove into my back wheel. The driver braked just before the car struck me so it wasn't a violent collision. The bike was knocked over sideways and I jumped clear, landing on my feet.

    Driver pulled in and we exchanged details. There was a squad car passing just afterwards and the Guards pulled in and took information from both of us. A passing cyclist who witnessed the collision gave a statement to the Guards too. Driver was totally without remorse and repeatedly said "It wasn't my fault". The worrying thing was that the driver genuinely seemed to believe this, even though they had just driven their car into oncoming traffic and struck someone.

    Anyway, thankfully I was unhurt but it was a stark reminder of how vulnerable we are when we cycle, and how we just cannot expect that drivers are looking out for us. I was wearing a full high vis jacket and it was still broad daylight! The driver either wasn't paying attention or simply wasn't in control of the vehicle.

    That sounds just like how I was hit last year at a cross roads. Like you, the driver hit my back wheel and the bike was flattened. I landed on my feet. Apparently no injury...then about 2hrs later I had severe and rapid shooting pains in both arm, stiff neck and a sore knee. 10mths later I am still not 100% and the prognosis is for a further 12mths of symptoms. Driver was very apologetic etc until the Garda got involved and despite accepting responsibility at the time, told the Garda I broke the red light.


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    #1048
    buffalo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,075 ✭✭✭buffalo


    Moflojo wrote: »
    I was struck by a car in Dublin this evening.

    Hey now, this thread is about near misses, not actual strikes!


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    #1049
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,244 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Some drivers see cyclists....they just don't give a ****!

    http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/video-intimidating-truck-merges-like-irish-club-rider-simply-isnt-there/


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    #1050
    micar
    Registered Users Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭micar


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    Some drivers see cyclists....they just don't give a ****!

    http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/video-intimidating-truck-merges-like-irish-club-rider-simply-isnt-there/

    Holy sh1t......that was so close.....so lucky not to get injured.

    Surely some can identify the company the lorry belongs to.


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    #1051
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    I had my first close pass in ages this morning, been reading this thread thinking how lucky I've been.

    On the R136 between Jobstown and Lucan coming up to the Leisure Centre, coming from Tallaght, I was in the 24 hour bus lane doing about 35 kph when a black golf passed me within inches at serious speed.

    I'd forgotten how much of a fright it can give you.


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