2018 Leaf

KCross

Mike9832 wrote: »

Should be no prob @ 100km/h or below

Bjorn got 200km in - 2c @ 90km/h

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQansDFt-GM&feature=share

He even said it beat the Ioniq for range under the same conditions, which was a surprise.

Old diesel

KCross wrote: »

He even said it beat the Ioniq for range under the same conditions, which was a surprise.

Especially when he alluded on facebook to the battery SOH on his test car been 96 percent

Mike9832

KCross wrote: »

He even said it beat the Ioniq for range under the same conditions, which was a surprise.

Surprised at that too

Ioniq at higher speed like 120 would probably beat it but at slower speeds like 90 the much larger battery Leaf has the advantage

With rapidgate looking fixed Leaf40 looks a good car

Haven't drove the Ioniq but Leaf40 was good fun, great acceleration

Have a test drive of a Tesla next month at Sandford, cant wait to see how that drives

Shefwedfan

DrPhilG wrote: »

40kWh, do I hear 40kWh???

Give it long enough and we will be down to 30KWh :P

Mike9832

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Give it long enough and we will be down to 30KWh :P

For the right price of course

unkel

Gile_na_gile wrote: »

Lads/Laddesses - More of a how challenge question than a "will it?" question I hope. L40 driving from Kildare Meath border area to South Tipp. 180km

I'm not sure if you'll make it at 105km/h GPS speed on the motorway (80% of your trip)

grudgehugger

Gile_na_gile wrote: »

Lads/Laddesses - More of a how challenge question than a "will it?" question I hope. L40 driving from Kildare Meath border area to South Tipp. 180km

25km on regional road
145km motorway
10k on regional roads

What sort of driving, if any, gets a Leaf to a destination charger (overnight granny cable) without stopping for a single charge with four passengers? It is within effective range of Leaf, but my guess is that it is possible if driving 105km/h on motorway, and/or taking the old road for part of the journey.
I.e. Follow M7 to N77 in Laois. Take exit 17 from M7
29 min (49.1 km)
Get on M8 from R433

Conditions: SW headwind of 20km, cold and wet, heating on low.

Based on my recent trips, you’ll prob need to go slightly slower, say 100.

McGiver

grudgehugger wrote:

Based on my recent trips, you’ll prob need to go slightly slower, say 100.

What difference in range does the 100 vs 105 kmh make?

Gile_na_gile

McGiver wrote: »

What difference in range does the 100 vs 105 kmh make?

I wonder that too. Seems that the journey would be feasible (with enough buffer so as not to be stranded with kids on the road) only with 100 on motorway, and regular speed on regional roads. I am hoping that means arriving with >8% battery.... Would probably necessitate very prudish driving indeed, maybe basking in the slipstream of Bus Éireann.



Looks sort of like it would be better to top up en route, if there is some sort of place where we can buy a few things on the way while charging for ~20 min.

optimal

Gile_na_gile wrote: »

I wonder that too. Seems that the journey would be feasible (with enough buffer so as not to be stranded with kids on the road) only with 100 on motorway, and regular speed on regional roads. I am hoping that means arriving with >8% battery.... Would probably necessitate very prudish driving indeed, maybe basking in the slipstream of Bus Éireann.

Looks sort of like it would be better to top up en route, if there is some sort of place where we can buy a few things on the way while charging for ~20 min.

You’re making it hard on yourself. Pull up at midway Portlaoise or Cashel. Cahir is very dodgy. You won’t notice the few minutes passing and it’s a good break for kids. Both have good facilities. Fermoy or Urlingford also an option. Don’t leave it to last charger in your range. It may not be available. Reliability is not great. Yesterday for example was a really bad day for anyone trying to fast charge in Dublin with only three chargers available in the city and one of these not physically connecting to Leaf (Dublin port).

ELM327

Old diesel wrote: »

Especially when he alluded on facebook to the battery SOH on his test car been 96 percent

Wasn't that the leafspy SOC though? It will never show 100% as it doesnt let you access the top of the battery. I think the highest I ever saw in my L24 was 98.3% and that was after balancing and a slow AC charge.

KCross wrote: »

He even said it beat the Ioniq for range under the same conditions, which was a surprise.

At leafspeed.
See, the leaf got what, 15kWh/100km? (from memory)
An Ioniq would get 13kWh-13.5kWh/100km in the same conditions. Even though the ioniq is more efficient, the leaf "wins" because it has a bigger battery pack.
The same test at real speeds (ie 110-120 GPS) and the leaf would not beat the Ioniq.

Zenith74

optimal wrote: »

You’re making it hard on yourself. Pull up at midway Portlaoise or Cashel. You won’t notice the few minutes passing and it’s a good break for kids.

I haven't arrived at either of those chargers and not queued recently, so personally I'd just be setting the cruise control to 95-100km/h, sit back and enjoy the safer and more relaxing drive.

Since moving to EV I've realised that queuing anxiety is much more real than range anxiety (which you overcome in the first week or two).

Zenith74

McGiver wrote: »

What difference in range does the 100 vs 105 kmh make?

Looking at the chart this guy has done (who knows how accurate it is) https://simonselectriccar.com/2017/12/21/leaf-vs-ioniq-energy-efficiency-real-world-test/ - it looks like going from 100km/h up to 105km/h makes about an 8% difference in energy use.

ELM327

Zenith74 wrote: »

I haven't arrived at either of those chargers and not queued recently, so personally I'd just be setting the cruise control to 95-100km/h, sit back and enjoy the safer and more relaxing drive.

Since moving to EV I've realised that queuing anxiety is much more real than range anxiety (which you overcome in the first week or two).

+10000000000000000000000^1000


Could not agree with this more.
it's going to be a thing of the past soon, have spoken to (or seen comments from) multiple motorway services stations that are all expecting 3 more fast chargers at their sites to be fitted beginning in Feb '19.
Combine that with Ionity and I don't think we will have queueing anxiety this time next year.


But for now, yes that is absolutely the worst with a capital WORST thing about driving EVs

Mike9832

Zenith74 wrote: »

Looking at the chart this guy has done (who knows how accurate it is) https://simonselectriccar.com/2017/12/21/leaf-vs-ioniq-energy-efficiency-real-world-test/ - it looks like going from 100km/h up to 105km/h makes about an 8% difference in energy use.

Looks pretty accurate to me

Good reading

Hyundai need to release the 40kWh Ioniq

What a motorway car that will be

Almost 250km range @ 120km/h

Thats not far off the Kona with 50% less battery capacity

Speculating here

https://www.goingelectric.de/forum/hyundai-ioniq-elektro-allgemeines/ioniq-mit-akku-40-kw-t32151-90.html

That Ioniq40 will be launching in July, pre orders in May

Poor man's Tesla would suit me

150bhp would be nice upgrade too

niall_eidw

Mike9832 wrote: »

Looks pretty accurate to me

Good reading

Hyundai need to release the 40kWh Ioniq

What a motorway car that will be

Almost 250km range @ 120km/h

Thats not far off the Kona with 50% less battery capacity

Speculating here

https://www.goingelectric.de/forum/hyundai-ioniq-elektro-allgemeines/ioniq-mit-akku-40-kw-t32151-90.html

That Ioniq40 will be launching in July, pre orders in May

Poor man's Tesla would suit me

150bhp would be nice upgrade too

Guys,

Just watched Bjørn Nyland video, on noise levels in the 2018 LEAF using 17" wheels. The car scored very well, in the top 5. He is going to repeat it again using 16" wheels, results may be even better... Ioniq not so well, not Ionic bashing in any way shape or form I only raise Ioniq as its mentioned in LEAF thread.

Happy New Year to all

https://youtu.be/mMxhab0OK5A

KCross

ELM327 wrote: »

At leafspeed.
See, the leaf got what, 15kWh/100km? (from memory)
An Ioniq would get 13kWh-13.5kWh/100km in the same conditions. Even though the ioniq is more efficient, the leaf "wins" because it has a bigger battery pack.
The same test at real speeds (ie 110-120 GPS) and the leaf would not beat the Ioniq.

I knew you or unkel couldn’t let that slide and would come back with the motorway example!!

Range is king, not efficiency.

I guess what it shows, if you believe Bjorn’s data, is that it’s not all about what the Ioniq can do on the motorway. You have to assess an EV based on your own needs and decide which one is better for you. It’s not that one is better than the other.

We need to see more data on the rapidgate fix now. A repeat of Jonathan Porterfields test would be good.

ELM327

KCross wrote: »

I knew you or unkel couldn’t let that slide and would come back with the motorway example!!

Range is king, not efficiency.

I guess what it shows, if you believe Bjorn’s data, is that it’s not all about what the Ioniq can do on the motorway. You have to assess an EV based on your own needs and decide which one is better for you. It’s not that one is better than the other.

We need to see more data on the rapidgate fix now. A repeat of Jonathan Porterfields test would be good.

It's getting too predictable. Sorry. :pac:


But the relevance of range is that very few people drive long distances at 90km/h. Maybe an average speed of 90km/h but that includes maybe the first 10% and last 10% on slow R roads and the rest on the motorway at 120. Range is absolutely king, but real world range at real world speed is the true king. Range at 90km/h is like the emperor with no clothes on but everyone pretends he's well dressed.

I'm curious about the supposed fix for rapidgate. Considering there is not going to be any new hardware fitted, they are likely going to dial back the throttling, Which is great in the short term but the question is will it increase degradation?

KCross

ELM327 wrote: »

It's getting too predictable. Sorry. :pac:


But the relevance of range is that very few people drive long distances at 90km/h. Maybe an average speed of 90km/h but that includes maybe the first 10% and last 10% on slow R roads and the rest on the motorway at 120. Range is absolutely king, but real world range at real world speed is the true king. Range at 90km/h is like the emperor with no clothes on but everyone pretends he's well dressed.

I'm curious about the supposed fix for rapidgate. Considering there is not going to be any new hardware fitted, they are likely going to dial back the throttling, Which is great in the short term but the question is will it increase degradation?

I suggest his test is applicable to more people than those who regularly do long motorway commutes at 120km/h. He explained before that that is why he does the test the way he does. He thinks, agree or disagree, that it is a more useful test for the majority.

Obviously if you are driving the motorway at 120km/h everyday then it’s not applicable to you. He has a point tbf. Most people would average <100kmh and he drove at 90kmh (GPS) so it’s a good test.

Rapidgate - yea, that’s the worry but it shouldn’t affect the majority but someone in a hot climate or a taxi could have issues but someone doing an occasional long trip and getting up to 50C on the battery temp isn’t going to matter. Only time will tell though.

ELM327

KCross wrote: »

I suggest his test is applicable to more people than those who regularly do long motorway commutes at 120km/h. He explained before that that is why he does the test the way he does. He thinks, agree or disagree, that it is a more useful test for the majority.

Obviously if you are driving the motorway at 120km/h everyday then it’s not applicable to you. He has a point tbf. Most people would average <100kmh and he drove at 90kmh (GPS) so it’s a good test.

I'm not gonna sit here and disagree with Bjorn, we're both watching his videos amongst thousands of other people so he clearly knows what he's doing.


I have an inherent bias due to my use case and my dislike for the leaf. But as I always say, Nissan are the only ones bringing volume to the EV market and any EV sold is better than another fossil car.

KCross wrote: »

Rapidgate - yea, that’s the worry but it shouldn’t affect the majority but someone in a hot climate or a taxi could have issues but someone doing an occasional long trip and getting up to 50C on the battery temp isn’t going to matter. Only time will tell though.

If someone has a leaf40 and a home charger, indeed the odd fast charge may not damage too much but someone using the car a lot and fast charging 2-4+ times a week may experience degradation like the first gen leaf.


As you say, only time will tell, and I'd like to see the specifics of what the "fix" includes

Orebro

ELM327 wrote: »

+10000000000000000000000^1000


Could not agree with this more.
it's going to be a thing of the past soon, have spoken to (or seen comments from) multiple motorway services stations that are all expecting 3 more fast chargers at their sites to be fitted beginning in Feb '19.
Combine that with Ionity and I don't think we will have queueing anxiety this time next year.


But for now, yes that is absolutely the worst with a capital WORST thing about driving EVs

Is that 3 more per site, or just 3 new FCPs, one per site?

ELM327

Orebro wrote: »

Is that 3 more per site, or just 3 new FCPs, one per site?

The two sites I heard specifics on (M11 Coynes cross and J14 M7) said 3 new ecars chargers per site. Not sure if they meant 3 is the new total (ie two new) or 3 new ones (meaning 4 total). But definitely not one per site.


A total of 4 FCP per site would line up with what ESB showed at the recent EV summit

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

At leafspeed.

Ioniq owners prefer to drive at Ioniqspeed

I've been doing a lot of motorway driving the past week, a lot of it at Ioniqspeed (125km/h GPS speed - 130km/h indicated) with active cruise on and I've been getting about 16kWh/100km. Range 175km. Not bad for winter motorway driving. The weather has been very mild though and no rain and not much wind.

Mike9832

Is it just me or does any positive stuff on the Leaf40 get taken over by Ioniq posts?

McGiver

Mike9832 wrote: »

Is it just me or does any positive stuff on the Leaf40 get taken over by Ioniq posts?

Yeah, Ioniq thread is that way --> reminder Wait, is there any Ioniq thread at all? Would be just three people talking there...

EDIT - Should this one be renamed to "2018 Leaf-bashing-by-Ioniq-owners thread"?

Zenith74

On the subject of threads; is there a historical reason this sub has gone with the mega-thread model? This thread has 5500 replies :eek:, surely this makes no sense.

I'd love to be able to come onto the forum and see the new topics being discussed, but maybe ignore the ones that went off on something I'm not interested in, rather than have all these conversations interleaved as they are now? Maybe there's something in the 3253rd post here that I'd like to reply to, but hardly makes sense in this setup.

irishgrover

McGiver wrote:

Yeah, Ioniq thread is that way --> reminder Wait, is there any Ioniq thread at all? Would be just three people talking there...

McGiver wrote:

EDIT - Should this one be renamed to "2018 Leaf-bashing-by-Ioniq-owners thread"?

I don't post much if anything in this thread because of attitudes like this... .yes, I'm an ioniq driver, but was also almost a leaf driver and may yet be..

Shefwedfan

12 months everyone and you will all be or want to be VW drivers so this thread will die a natural death

unkel

C'mon lads, a bit of banter. I for one am delighted with this weeks news that #rapidgate seems to be sorted. All you owners out here must be relieved.

grudgehugger

unkel wrote: »

C'mon lads, a bit of banter. I for one am delighted with this weeks news that #rapidgate seems to be sorted. All you owners out here must be relieved.

I agree with the basic sentiments in this post. Let’s all keep things in perspective... it’s been a reasonable while (I think!) since anyone’s gotten very aggrieved over perceived bias between owners of different cars on this thread. This place is a fantastic source of info - we should just stick to telling it how it is with our own experience of our own cars - and then speculate wildly about the future cos there has to be room for some fun somewhere

One of my own huge pluses from 2018 is buying my first EV - the L40 has its issues but it’s the best car I’ve ever owned all the same...

Happy New Year everyone!!!

babybuilder

Met a fellow eV enthusiastic at a rapid charger yesterday, a fine chap driving an Ioniq. Both exhibited mutual admiration and respect towards each other s cars. Humble appreciation of the qualities of the L40 and Ioniq. ðŸ˜

niall_eidw

I'll be an owner in the nest few days ( I can say days now!! ). Wonder will I have this Rapidgate fix. Will keep you posted.

catharsis

niall_eidw wrote: »

I'll be an owner in the nest few days ( I can say days now!! ). Wonder will I have this Rapidgate fix. Will keep you posted.

Anyone happen to know how many L40s Nissan Ireland sold in 2018?
(also was there a live import market from the UK for L40s)

Just like to get some real numbers ...

unkel

786

Linky


That includes second hand imports and includes both the new and the old model. I'm not sure if you can find anywhere online the actual new model Leafs sold through Irish dealers. Maybe ask Nissan

Casati

unkel wrote: »

786

Linky


That includes second hand imports and includes both the new and the old model. I'm not sure if you can find anywhere online the actual new model Leafs sold through Irish dealers. Maybe ask Nissan

Looks like no real competition against the Leaf from a sales perspective, especially with 182 reg

Is the Ioniq basically gone? Only 12 sold since June? V risky buying one over a Leaf if sales are so tiny isn’t it, you don’t want to be driving such a bad seller

September1

Casati wrote: »

Is the Ioniq basically gone? Only 12 sold since June? V risky buying one over a Leaf if sales are so tiny isn’t it, you don’t want to be driving such a bad seller

I think this is supply problem by Hyundai, they might have redirected limited resources to manufacturing Kona.

Old diesel

Casati wrote: »

Looks like no real competition against the Leaf from a sales perspective, especially with 182 reg

Is the Ioniq basically gone? Only 12 sold since June? V risky buying one over a Leaf if sales are so tiny isn’t it, you don’t want to be driving such a bad seller

People have bought 191 Ioniqs on here afaik as Hyundai have bought in supply recently.

Supply from the factory has been the issue rather then people not wanting to buy.

ELM327

Casati wrote: »

Looks like no real competition against the Leaf from a sales perspective, especially with 182 reg

Is the Ioniq basically gone? Only 12 sold since June? V risky buying one over a Leaf if sales are so tiny isn’t it, you don’t want to be driving such a bad seller

LOL


Resale values do not tally with this
It's a supply constraint not a demand constraint.

Casati

ELM327 wrote: »

LOL


Resale values do not tally with this
It's a supply constraint not a demand constraint.

Why do they offer the car for sale if they don’t have any stock, it’s just going to annoy potential customers surely?

I still wouldn’t like to buy such a low volume seller, as good as the car might be.

unkel

Casati wrote: »

Is the Ioniq basically gone? Only 12 sold since June? V risky buying one over a Leaf if sales are so tiny isn’t it, you don’t want to be driving such a bad seller

LOL, why would you not want to drive a car that has only sold in small numbers because of lack of supply?

Still a Hyundai (most reliable car maker) and still has a 5 year bumper to bumper warranty (and 8 years on the battery). Also probably the slowest depreciating car of all mainstream cars sold in Ireland

Leroy42

The more I read about EV, the more I think the best course of action is to wait.

Lack of supply, rapidgate, lack of knowledge about battery life (as in what happens at EOL, costs of replacement, cost of disposal etc), lack of charging points, cost price differences.

It all seems to me that it is very much still a niche product. Great for those that want to be first on board, have the money, or it suits them personally, but in terms of the average person it is simply a solution that is not yet fully ready.

Of course I understand that it can only get up to that point by being real world tested and as such it must be in the market, but from my POV, I think that EU, and Ireland in particular will be under clear pressure, will start to move towards EV technology in the mid-term (5 years) and at that point petrol/diesel cars will start to be phased out. For that to happen a massive increase in charging points, VRT rebates etc will be required. Also, there is no doubt that the technology will continue to get better with each version, as production numbers grow prices will fall.

It strikes me as not the right time to jump into the pond.

BTW, I am not having a go at EV, EV owners or anything like that. This is simply my opinion of the current state of play (which may well be entirely based on incorrect assumptions or forecasts) and as such I am open to correction.

irishgrover

Leroy42 wrote: »

The more I read about EV, the more I think the best course of action is to wait.....

I think it vey much depends on your personal needs.... you just need to do a lot of research and see what (if any) car is best for you.
Most modern EVs are great for people who do less that 150km per day.
I've done 30K km since April and for me it's a no brainer. I've saving a bigger sum of money on fuel then I'm loosing on depreciation. This is a very unusal fiscal situation.
There will always be a better car around the corner. That is the nature of technology and it's more pronounced in EV's than non EV's.

Shefwedfan

Casati wrote: »

Why do they offer the car for sale if they don’t have any stock, it’s just going to annoy potential customers surely?

I still wouldn’t like to buy such a low volume seller, as good as the car might be.

Don’t look at the eGolf so

unkel

Leroy42 wrote: »

The more I read about EV, the more I think the best course of action is to wait.

A lot of EV owners are very happy with their car which costs them almost nothing to run and which makes a huge benefit to the environment we live in. Depends largely on your use case if it suits you. Put up a thread and we will advise (honestly)!

Leroy42 wrote: »

Lack of supply, rapidgate, lack of knowledge about battery life (as in what happens at EOL, costs of replacement, cost of disposal etc), lack of charging points, cost price differences.

1. Lack of supply - Leaf is freely available and so is the i3. Ioniq, Kona and eGolf are not

2. Rapidgate - looks like a software update will fix this (is tolerating higher temps)

3. EOL - EV depreciates less than other cars and will have significant value at EOL after say 15 years because the batteries will have another 15 years of life left as home / grid storage

4. Lack of charging points. A serious issue. We should see a lot of improvement this year with the government subsidy for the ESB chargers and the development of private network Ionity. Also home chargers are installed free of charge under the €600 subsidy scheme

5. Cost price difference - EVs are already pretty much on a par with ICE cars because of the €10k subsidy. I paid €25k on the road for my high spec family sized EV two years ago. And of course fuel costs 80-90% less than ICE, tax is cheapest, almost zero maintenance, up to 75% discount on tolls, etc.

6. Battery life / cost of replacement - all EVs now have 8 year battery warranties. By the time that is up, it will be cheap enough to have your battery refurbished or individual cells replaced. Several DIY youtube vids online already. I'll probably do a DIY job on mine in 6 years time if needs be

Shefwedfan

I think it should be pointed out the market will level out now in terms of battery and range

Most supplier will have a 4X and a 6X car available, Hyundai/Kia is 39 and 64. All other manufacturers are going to hit that battery size and stay. Changing battery sizes is not good for business and those battery ranges seem to suit the majority of drivers.

The next battery will be 2025 when solid state is available. Well planned according to VW

So if you buy a 64kWh today in 5 years time you will be walking into the same dealer with 64kWh still as the main option

This will bring a level of stability to electric cars which users want

In regards to buying now or not. Depends, are you planning on brand new or second hand? If second hand no reason not to buy now before brexit potentially kills the import business, if it does your second hand electric will go up in value because Ireland on its own doesn’t have supply

unkel

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The next battery will be 2025 when solid state is available. Well planned according to VW

I would bet a large amount of money on there being no 251 reg VW car with a solid state battery

Old diesel

Leroy42 wrote: »

The more I read about EV, the more I think the best course of action is to wait.

Lack of supply, rapidgate, lack of knowledge about battery life (as in what happens at EOL, costs of replacement, cost of disposal etc), lack of charging points, cost price differences.

It all seems to me that it is very much still a niche product. Great for those that want to be first on board, have the money, or it suits them personally, but in terms of the average person it is simply a solution that is not yet fully ready.

Of course I understand that it can only get up to that point by being real world tested and as such it must be in the market, but from my POV, I think that EU, and Ireland in particular will be under clear pressure, will start to move towards EV technology in the mid-term (5 years) and at that point petrol/diesel cars will start to be phased out. For that to happen a massive increase in charging points, VRT rebates etc will be required. Also, there is no doubt that the technology will continue to get better with each version, as production numbers grow prices will fall.

It strikes me as not the right time to jump into the pond.

BTW, I am not having a go at EV, EV owners or anything like that. This is simply my opinion of the current state of play (which may well be entirely based on incorrect assumptions or forecasts) and as such I am open to correction.

1) end of life - well old Nissan Leaf batteries are currently powering stadium lights in Holland I understand. The battery packs can often also be re celled - when a battery pack "fails" it's often because some cells have gone. Total failure is rare - the norm is that you lose range as the battery loses capacity. That's why you can use them for other things.

2) lack of charge points is certainly an issue - I blame short sighted government policy for this. The reality in the future is that any place you can park a car is a potential charge point with an EV. The tech and solutions is there but the policy makers have not caught up yet. For me Dundee in Scotland appears to be a leader in showing what can be done with EV charging. It's not an issue caused by technology failings although obviously technology will continue to improve.

3) battery cost - yes to many ICE drivers it's a worry. For me I just look at what diesels cost to repair and shrug my shoulders. A new battery pack might be 5 k. What's a brand new diesel engine costing??????. Of course if you can change individual bad cells rather then a whole pack that's a cost game changer. Again the pack rarely fails totally. Unlike a diesel which can go from running well to totally wrecked in a few seconds.

4) Rapidgate - it's an issue on ONE EV. It's a potential reason to avoid THAT EV. But instead you choose another EV that doesn't have it - if rapidgate is a problem for your usage. Mazda diesels have a poor reputation but that wouldnt stop you looking at an EA 288 2.0 tdi* VW.

5) supply - if I want a particular car I wait for it. You can frequently pick whatever car it is (let's say a Hyundai Ioniq) from the 2nd hand market.

*the EA288 replaced the EA 189 dieselgater

Edit I've no idea how the thumbs down emoji happened

Shefwedfan

unkel wrote: »

I would bet a large amount of money on there being no 251 reg VW car with a solid state battery

100% but it be announced....well if they have to it will be, if they can keep flogging a dead horse they will

DrPhilG

unkel wrote: »

1. Lack of supply - Leaf is freely available and so is the i3. Ioniq, Kona and eGolf are not

Ia the Kona that hard to find though? Has the backlash over the paddy spec slowed it down, hence the rumours that a better spec will arrive later? I've heard that Hyundai Letterkenny have 2 in stock.

unkel wrote: »

2. Rapidgate - looks like a software update will fix this (is tolerating higher temps)

Is that a fix, or a temporary patch? If they engineered rapidgate as a solution to worryingly high battery temperatures, won't allowing those same temperatures to continue unhindered lead to higher degradation?

Old diesel

Thanks

DrPhilG wrote: »

Ia the Kona that hard to find though? Has the backlash over the paddy spec slowed it down, hence the rumours that a better spec will arrive later? I've heard that Hyundai Letterkenny have 2 in stock.



Is that a fix, or a temporary patch? If they engineered rapidgate as a solution to worryingly high battery temperatures, won't allowing those same temperatures to continue unhindered lead to higher degradation?

On the rapidgate "fix"

The original L40 software throttled back the power of the car - ie acceleration - when the battery temp hits 56 degrees on Leafspy.

My guess is that the new software will drive up battery temp to 56 degrees faster.

So have Nissan increased the trigger point of when the car goes into reduced power from 56 degrees to a higher.

Also when is the new trigger point for rapidgate - I would say rapidgate is still there - you just get to drive further before it hits.

My main concern is where reduced acceleration power kicks in. For me that reduced power is actually much more annoying then the 22 kw charging a horrible nasty feature imo.

In fact if the trigger point for reduced power is still 56 degrees on the new software - I'd actually rather stay with the old software.