2018 Leaf

unkel

People in this country have picked up the eGolf for €31k on the road. Good value! A Leaf for about the same money on the road.....not so much.

KCross

grudgehugger wrote: »

Anyone on here spoken to Nissan Ireland about the software update?

Are you referring to the rapidgate fix?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109229952&postcount=5529


It seems that you wont get the rapidgate fix unless you request it.

icom

grudgehugger wrote: »

Anyone on here spoken to Nissan Ireland about the software update?

If your VIN Number is > VIN SJNFAAZE1U00173xx then you already have the update.

Got my Leaf 40 in early August 2018 and the VIN is SJNFAAZE1U0021xxx and has the updated BMS firmware.

Old diesel

icom wrote: »

If your VIN Number is > VIN SJNFAAZE1U00173xx then you already have the update.

Got my Leaf 40 in early August 2018 and the VIN is SJNFAAZE1U0021xxx and has the updated BMS firmware.

How has your car performed rapidgate wise????

icom

Old diesel wrote: »

How has your car performed rapidgate wise????

Only ever rapid charged once since I got it, just to check it was working.

Have free charging at work, so can top up any day and a second ice car (wife's) for the twice a year run to the airport.

unkel

unkel wrote: »

People in this country have picked up the eGolf for €31k on the road. Good value! A Leaf for about the same money on the road.....not so much.

Lucky them. For time being those prices are most likely gone due to the increased demand on EVs.

First test drives of L62 are out but nobody has yet tried to charge one or connect a sneaky Bluetooth adapter to observe the battery temps. Both reviews I read confirm that the low speed acceleration appears be about the same as on L40 (as expected) while the high speed acceleration is much improved. They also confirm that the battery is still passively cooled (as expected).

_dof_

grudgehugger wrote: »

Anyone on here spoken to Nissan Ireland about the software update?

Yeah, I got it last week. I asked for it to be upgraded when sending the car in for service. Nissan Ireland have to remotely log in to do it apparently so they couldn't upgrade as part of the service on a Saturday, I had to get it upgraded during the week.

Haven't rapid charged since it was upgraded though.

JPA

_dof_ wrote: »

Yeah, I got it last week. I asked for it to be upgraded when sending the car in for service. Nissan Ireland have to remotely log in to do it apparently so they couldn't upgrade as part of the service on a Saturday, I had to get it upgraded during the week.

Haven't rapid charged since it was upgraded though.

You would have to be charging 2 or 3 times in relatively quick succession to even notice or be affected by rapidgate.

Old diesel

JPA wrote: »

You would have to be charging 2 or 3 times in relatively quick succession to even notice or be affected by rapidgate.

In the right scenarios which are surprisingly normal driving conditions rapidgate can be achieved on FIRST rapid.

DrPhilG

JPA wrote: »

You would have to be charging 2 or 3 times in relatively quick succession to even notice or be affected by rapidgate.

Doesn't make it any less ridiculous that Nissan allowed it to happen.

Our car is due for service in April and I asked the garage to take a note about the rapidgate fix. Let's see if they can update the car midweek at the middle of day but looks promising compared to a Saturday.

Perfect timing anyway, the car is at 27k now so should be very close to 30 k on its first anniversary. The last time we rapidgated was in UK in August but better get it done in case we need to drive beyond the range again. In general the car was last rapid charged on 1.1. so might be a while...

Nolars

What is a good price for a used 181 and I wonder how long before they are around the 20k mark?

Kramer

JPA wrote: »

You would have to be charging 2 or 3 times in relatively quick succession to even notice or be affected by rapidgate.

I experienced degraded charging speed (22kW iirc) on my first rapid charge last summer - the first charge I tried on the Leaf I was testing from a dealer.
I can't say if it had been rapid charged already that day but very, very unlikely.

It was interesting chatting to a brand new Leaf owner who pulled in beside me. I hadn't the heart to tell him I was charging only at 22kW due to rapidgate, couldn't do that to him .

That said, it wouldn't stop me buying a Leaf, sure it's only a city car anyway, like.

Did Limerick to Greystones, 220km. Had 9% remaining on arrival.

ltd440

Nolars wrote: »

What is a good price for a used 181 and I wonder how long before they are around the 20k mark?

the cheapest 2018 on autotrader is sterling 19.5k thats about euro 23k landed

unkel

And it's white and you'd need to get a very cheap flight + ferry (and your expenses) and also an exchange range as good as Revolut to get it for €23k landed and number plates paid for and presuming your charging on the way is free.

But it's a good marker. There are people who paid over €30k for very similar cars here just 6-7 months ago.

Gile_na_gile

Gile_na_gile wrote: »

Lads/Laddesses - More of a how challenge question than a "will it?" question I hope. L40 driving from Kildare Meath border area to South Tipp. 180km

25km on regional road
145km motorway
10k on regional roads

What sort of driving, if any, gets a Leaf to a destination charger (overnight granny cable) without stopping for a single charge with four passengers? It is within effective range of Leaf, but my guess is that it is possible if driving 105km/h on motorway, and/or taking the old road for part of the journey.
I.e. Follow M7 to N77 in Laois. Take exit 17 from M7
29 min (49.1 km)
Get on M8 from R433

Conditions: SW headwind of 20km, cold and wet, heating on low.

So did that drive. I planned a stop in Cashel on way down as I needed to arrive with at least 20% charge and would have to eat anyway. Drove at 120-130+kmh indicated but variable and heavy on accelerator. Arrived at Cashel with 10% and 25km. Even mid-week before commuting time it was busy, plus the card reader was down, so waited 40 min before getting a Chademo charge to 50 in 20 min.


Way back, did the proper test, light southerly wind, 10 deg C. 110 indicated on cruise, then avoided toll to lower my speed, ar ais ar an motorbhealach ag Phortlaoise, exited at Newbridge. Arrived home with 15% after 184km. More relaxing of course, unless stopping anyway. Effective range of 220km.

nkay1985

Hi all,

Just wondering if anybody has real-world kWh / 100km figures for this model Leaf? I've found a few online but would like to hear people's experience on Irish roads. I do mostly town driving so wouldn't be hitting motorway speeds very often, but I do like to tip along all the same.

Appreciate any help. Thanks.

kennethsmyth

nkay1985 wrote: »

Hi all,

Just wondering if anybody has real-world kWh / 100km figures for this model Leaf? I've found a few online but would like to hear people's experience on Irish roads. I do mostly town driving so wouldn't be hitting motorway speeds very often, but I do like to tip along all the same.

Appreciate any help. Thanks.

Winter = approx 175wh/km you’ll see 17.5 on your dash. This is about 210km 100-0%.

Spring = 175wh/km summers better again.

This depends on hills and weather, mixed driving speeds will be better. Note being sharp on acceleration would make this worse.

With a full size roof box this increases to 210wh/km approx 20/25% more

McGiver

kennethsmyth wrote: »

Winter = approx 175wh/km you’ll see 17.5 on your dash. This is about 210km 100-0%.

Spring = 175wh/km summers better again.

This depends on hills and weather, mixed driving speeds will be better. Note being sharp on acceleration would make this worse.

With a full size roof box this increases to 210wh/km approx 20/25% more

So city economy is worse than Mixed and Mixed is better than Motoroway?
Asking because that's not what the following website says.

https://ev-database.uk/car/1106/Nissan-Leaf

See Real Energy Consumption.

kennethsmyth

McGiver wrote: »

So city economy is worse than Mixed and Mixed is better than Motoroway?
Asking because that's not what the following website says.

https://ev-database.uk/car/1106/Nissan-Leaf

See Real Energy Consumption.

Nope that’s not what I’m saying, I’m saying mixed is better that motorway yes, city can be better than mixed but depends on speed in traffic, eg 50kmph is better than 10/20kmph as slow city not enough forward momentum for all other electronics on heat/ a/c etc

kennethsmyth

McGiver wrote: »

So city economy is worse than Mixed and Mixed is better than Motoroway?
Asking because that's not what the following website says.

https://ev-database.uk/car/1106/Nissan-Leaf

See Real Energy Consumption.

Also all my stats above are at 100km but on the motorway so wind etc doesn’t help when road is open to both sides. Additionally your mileage will vary depending on your geography however they are real world stats with both directions taken into account

Our L40's 1st anniversary is approaching and got he car serviced yesterday at 29200 km on the clock.

The dealer applied the BMS update to alleviate the rapidgate issue. The service advisor claimed that they had never heard of it but the HV BATTERY has now firmware 5SH2C which should be the updated version. They also fixed a clicking noise that had started to appear some weeks/months ago during stop/go traffic each time you started from stand still which was a mildly annoying trait. They didn't elaborate but if it's same as the original LEAF, some suffered from incorrectly torquesd driveshaft hub nut(s) which may or may not be the fix here. The drivers mirror had been making screeching noise in winter when folding but the noise stopped with the warmer weather so didn't bother reporting that.

129 yoyo including the new pollen filter and it took 5 hours from start to finish. Oh yes and the car was washed and hoovered too. The tyres still have between 5 and 6 mm of thread left and are wearing evenly so all is good with the wheel alignment.

Got a great insurance quote too yesterday for this year so we all now all set for the year 2 of L40 motoring.

Zenith74

samih wrote: »

Our L40's 1st anniversary is approaching and got he car serviced yesterday at 29200 km on the clock.

The dealer applied the BMS update to alleviate the rapidgate issue. The service advisor claimed that they had never heard of it but the HV BATTERY has now firmware 5SH2C which should be the updated version. They also fixed a clicking noise that had started to appear some weeks/months ago during stop/go traffic each time you started from stand still which was a mildly annoying trait. They didn't elaborate but if it's same as the original LEAF, some suffered from incorrectly torquesd driveshaft hub nut(s) which may or may not be the fix here. The drivers mirror had been making screeching noise in winter when folding but the noise stopped with the warmer weather so didn't bother reporting that.

129 yoyo including the new pollen filter and it took 5 hours from start to finish. Oh yes and the car was washed and hoovered too. The tyres still have between 5 and 6 mm of thread left and are wearing evenly so all is good with the wheel alignment.

Got a great insurance quote too yesterday for this year so we all now all set for the year 2 of L40 motoring.

Out of interest, have you done a LeafSpy in your L40? Curious how the SOH is holding up on these and the 1 year point is a good marker?

Zenith74

Zenith74 wrote: »

Out of interest, have you done a LeafSpy in your L40? Curious how the SOH is holding up on these and the 1 year point is a good marker?

The SOH is down to about 95 percent now and continues it's downwards trend. Haven't noticed any difference in the range yet.

kennethsmyth

samih wrote: »

Our L40's 1st anniversary is approaching and got he car serviced yesterday at 29200 km on the clock.

The dealer applied the BMS update to alleviate the rapidgate issue. The service advisor claimed that they had never heard of it but the HV BATTERY has now firmware 5SH2C which should be the updated version. They also fixed a clicking noise that had started to appear some weeks/months ago during stop/go traffic each time you started from stand still which was a mildly annoying trait. They didn't elaborate but if it's same as the original LEAF, some suffered from incorrectly torquesd driveshaft hub nut(s) which may or may not be the fix here. The drivers mirror had been making screeching noise in winter when folding but the noise stopped with the warmer weather so didn't bother reporting that.

129 yoyo including the new pollen filter and it took 5 hours from start to finish. Oh yes and the car was washed and hoovered too. The tyres still have between 5 and 6 mm of thread left and are wearing evenly so all is good with the wheel alignment.

Got a great insurance quote too yesterday for this year so we all now all set for the year 2 of L40 motoring.

Samih do you mind letting me know your dealer name as have same clicking noise, you can pm me if you don’t want to be public thanks

kennethsmyth

kennethsmyth wrote: »

Samih do you mind letting me know your dealer name as have same clicking noise, you can pm me if you don’t want to be public thanks

This is not shaming so public is fine. Windsor Airside serviced ours and did a great job.

kennethsmyth

samih wrote: »

This is not shaming so public is fine. Windsor Airside serviced ours and did a great job.

Great mine going into service in same garage. Was your ticking when going from acceleration to regen and back and also more noticeable in B mode?

Thanks

Mike9832

samih wrote: »

The SOH is down to about 95 percent now and continues it's downwards trend. Haven't noticed any difference in the range yet.

You'll have to monitor that

At current degradation and mileage

It could be down in the 75-80% SOH at approx 100k miles and 5 years old if degradation is linear

Pretty poor imo

Have seen 2 year old Ioniqs at 80k miles showing 100% SOH on UK forums

Leaf must have no buffer at all?

kennethsmyth

kennethsmyth wrote: »

Great mine going into service in same garage. Was your ticking when going from acceleration to regen and back and also more noticeable in B mode?

Thanks

Each time when alternating between any level of regen and power.

Mike9832

Mike9832 wrote: »

You'll have to monitor that

At current degradation and mileage

It could be down in the 75-80% SOH at approx 100k miles and 5 years old if degradation is linear

Pretty poor imo

Have seen 2 year old Ioniqs at 80k miles showing 100% SOH on UK forums

Leaf must have no buffer at all?

How is the SOH calculated? As mentioned before in this thread the SOH is doing worse than expected but whether that is real degradation or not is too early to say. Unlike in the L24 the SOH is going down steady with no fluctuation. That makes me think it could be a glitch in the algorithm. Also the Hx value is staying steady or even going up.

As there is no way to get the exact numbers from ioniq as there is no leafspy equivalent the OBD output on them could be the equivalent of the capacity bar on LEAF that displays 100 percent until there is 15 pc degradation.

ELM327

samih wrote: »

How is the SOH calculated? As mentioned before in this thread the SOH is doing worse than expected but whether that is real degradation or not is too early to say. Unlike in the L24 the SOH is going down steady with no fluctuation. That makes me think it could be a glitch in the algorithm. Also the Hx value is staying steady or even going up.

As there is no way to get the exact numbers from ioniq as there is no leafspy equivalent the OBD output on them could be the equivalent of the capacity bar on LEAF that displays 100 percent until there is 15 pc degradation.

Leafspy equivalent for Ioniq is Torquepro.





The SOH is a guess of what the BMS thinks the SOH is, same as Hx is a different guess, and the GIDs a further guess. All three should be viewed and a coefficient of all 3 averaged to garner a better guess at deg. Unfortunately there is not a precise number

ELM327

ELM327 wrote: »

Leafspy equivalent for Ioniq is Torquepro.





The SOH is a guess of what the BMS thinks the SOH is, same as Hx is a different guess, and the GIDs a further guess. All three should be viewed and a coefficient of all 3 averaged to garner a better guess at deg. Unfortunately there is not a precise number

I have used Torque Pro before to scan a SAAB and it's a generic OBD scanner app with Ioniq parameters added as a module. So not *really* equivalent to the LeafSpy.

Yes, they are guesses and as the SOH is going down at pretty steady pace with no jumps up, at least it works differently from L24. I would expect any Li-ion batteries to show at least a small capacity reduction every year. The L40 at 30k after a year reports a larger than expected degradation which may or may not be true. Once I see the actual range going down I'll worry about it more.

Mike9832

samih wrote: »

I have used Torque Pro before to scan a SAAB and it's a generic OBD scanner app with Ioniq parameters added as a module. So not *really* equivalent to the LeafSpy.

Yes, they are guesses and as the SOH is going down at pretty steady pace with no jumps up, at least it works differently from L24. I would expect any Li-ion batteries to show at least a small capacity reduction every year. The L40 at 30k after a year reports a larger than expected degradation which may or may not be true. Once I see the actual range going down I'll worry about it more.

Yeah it could be just software exaggerating too and a future update fixes

Leaf30 had that problem and with a software update most peoples reading went from 80% SOH to 90% etc

Your right though until you see range dropping know need to worry

I think it has to be software, no chance a Leaf40 degrades 5% every 20k miles in our climate or without rapid charging abuse

Zenith74

samih wrote: »

This is not shaming so public is fine. Windsor Airside serviced ours and did a great job.

Actually bought our two Leafs after some test drives and discussions with John Herity in Windsor Airside, he's a real EV advocate! If we could get somebody like him in every garage we'd be seeing a lot more EVs on the roads me thinks!!

Zenith74

Zenith74 wrote: »

Actually bought our two Leafs after some test drives and discussions with John Herity in Windsor Airside, he's a real EV advocate! If we could get somebody like him in every garage we'd be seeing a lot more EVs on the roads me thinks!!

Pretty much the same with us Zenith74.

kennethsmyth

samih wrote: »

Pretty much the same with us Zenith74.

Yep I also bought from John, great guy and looked after me well. No hard sell.

DeanH544

I recall seeing a post about a leaf being stolen before, but can't seem to locate it. So hope its applicable to post here instead.

Just wondering if anyone has gone through the ordeal of their L40 being stolen. Woke up this morning to find my 191 L40 gone, both keys in the house still and no signs of a break in.

Had the Nissan connect app connecting to the GPS until the car got north of the border.

Mainly wondering if anyone has had success recovering the vehicle with the built in GPS... or if theres a tracking mechanism in terms of when its charging that I'm not aware of?

Silent Running

DeanH544 wrote: »

I recall seeing a post about a leaf being stolen before, but can't seem to locate it. So hope its applicable to post here instead.

Just wondering if anyone has gone through the ordeal of their L40 being stolen. Woke up this morning to find my 191 L40 gone, both keys in the house still and no signs of a break in.

Had the Nissan connect app connecting to the GPS until the car got north of the border.

Mainly wondering if anyone has had success recovering the vehicle with the built in GPS... or if theres a tracking mechanism in terms of when its charging that I'm not aware of?

Man, that's bad. Sorry for your troubles. I can't offer any advice, but you have my sympathies.

Old diesel

As I understand it - thieves are able to pick up a signal from the keys and then use the cars keyless entry.

(Car thinks it's getting a signal from the real key).

While I dont think it's an issue unique to the Leaf - there has been other incidents like this with the Leaf.

I'd take it up with Nissan if it were mine as the security of the keyless entry should be fit for purpose.

Should you end up getting your car back or buying another one there are cradle things you can get - that you can place the key into and that stops or at least considerably reduces it.

Some cars can have keyless deactivated too

DeanH544

Old diesel wrote: »

As I understand it - thieves are able to pick up a signal from the keys and then use the cars keyless entry.

(Car thinks it's getting a signal from the real key).

While I dont think it's an issue unique to the Leaf - there has been other incidents like this with the Leaf.

I'd take it up with Nissan if it were mine as the security of the keyless entry should be fit for purpose.

Should you end up getting your car back or buying another one there are cradle things you can get - that you can place the key into and that stops or at least considerably reduces it.

Some cars can have keyless deactivated too

Seems like this was their approach. Mad that there is not stronger security on something like this.

Would love to get the car back, but after speaking with the Gardai they didn't exactly seem hopeful for it.

Forgot to add also that this was in the North Kildare area. Perhaps can also be a warning for others.

Mickeroo

I remember seeing a post on facebook in Jan/Feb about another leaf 40 taken in pretty much the exact same circumstances. I don't have a leaf but do have keyless entry and starting so my keys are in a metal box when I'm at home.

ELM327

This is what insurance is for lads, I'd prefer the car gone than to be woken with someone in my bedroom with a knife, boiling kettle or worse. Let them have the car, it will be covered on insurance.

All cars with keyless entry are vulnerable

Shefwedfan

DeanH544 wrote: »

I recall seeing a post about a leaf being stolen before, but can't seem to locate it. So hope its applicable to post here instead.

Just wondering if anyone has gone through the ordeal of their L40 being stolen. Woke up this morning to find my 191 L40 gone, both keys in the house still and no signs of a break in.

Had the Nissan connect app connecting to the GPS until the car got north of the border.

Mainly wondering if anyone has had success recovering the vehicle with the built in GPS... or if theres a tracking mechanism in terms of when its charging that I'm not aware of?

Strange you could track it, normally they have a device to block the signal, I don’t see why it would stop at border? Did the Garda know you could track it

This is not just a Leaf issue, I talked to Garda before, they will have marked out a full truck load for a few days before, BMW, merc etc....all cars will be taken in space of 30 mins and loaded onto a truck and gone.

You can even buy a device on facenook which plugs into the cigarette lighter and blocks all signals from car. If you could track the Garda would be all over, you could have 500k or more worth of cars sitting on truck

DeanH544

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Strange you could track it, normally they have a device to block the signal, I don’t see why it would stop at border? Did the Garda know you could track it

This is not just a Leaf issue, I talked to Garda before, they will have marked out a full truck load for a few days before, BMW, merc etc....all cars will be taken in space of 30 mins and loaded onto a truck and gone.

You can even buy a device on facenook which plugs into the cigarette lighter and blocks all signals from car. If you could track the Garda would be all over, you could have 500k or more worth of cars sitting on truck

Yeah the Garda knew I could track it. Once it crossed the border I was also onto the PSNI and let them know which road it was travelling on etc.

Sorry about the wording in the post, wasn't the clearest. I could track after the border it stopped giving me replies when it got near Armagh. My assumption was battery had died due to them only having 8% battery left 7 minutes before the final GPS response I got.

The Garda also eluded to something similar to what you're saying in a concept he described as robbed to order.

Disappointing, but as a previous poster said can take a bit of comfort in the fact nobody in the house was harmed from it all.

Shefwedfan

DeanH544 wrote: »

Yeah the Garda knew I could track it. Once it crossed the border I was also onto the PSNI and let them know which road it was travelling on etc.

Sorry about the wording in the post, wasn't the clearest. I could track after the border it stopped giving me replies when it got near Armagh. My assumption was battery had died due to them only having 8% battery left 7 minutes before the final GPS response I got.

The Garda also eluded to something similar to what you're saying in a concept he described as robbed to order.

Disappointing, but as a previous poster said can take a bit of comfort in the fact nobody in the house was harmed from it all.

Strange the Garda didn't stop the truck? or the PSNI? wouldn't be hard to spot


I know a building vehicle was robbed from a site here recently. they had tracking device on it but the people didnt expect that. They tracked it and Garda stopped the truck straight away, it was in Wexford at that stage, probably ready to board the ferry

Mickeroo

You had live tracking info while talking to the guards/psni and they didn't nab the culprits?

unkel

I'm equally confused. Maybe you only noticed the car was stolen, looked at your tracking and that was just before the car was about to go into NI and you lost the signal?

DeanH544

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Strange the Garda didn't stop the truck? or the PSNI? wouldn't be hard to spot


I know a building vehicle was robbed from a site here recently. they had tracking device on it but the people didnt expect that. They tracked it and Garda stopped the truck straight away, it was in Wexford at that stage, probably ready to board the ferry

Not sure if it was a truck or not transporting the car as the battery was dropping.

I called the garda at 6.28am initially and was told a car would be with me soon.
Then I checked the app and saw the GPS said it was just after passing the border at 6.34am so called the garda back and told them that I had the GPS signal, they said they would add those details and inform the garda who will be arriving at the house. At 7.01am the car was nearing Armagh so I called the PSNI (after my dad recommended calling them as the car was in the north) and told them the location. After that call the car stopped giving GPS despite multiple refreshes. I then called the Garda and let them know the update and that I called the PSNI also. Then at around 7.40am the Garda car arrived and just took a witness statement.

Apologies for causing confusion. Hasn't been a super easy day for the brain and I've been responding via my phone. Hopefully this post can clarify things!

EDIT: fixed some phrasing on the PSNI/Lost signal portion. Also double checked phone logs to ensure I got it all right.

Sorry to hear about you car DeanH544. Sounds like you'll get to enjoy another new L40 soon enough.

KCross

DeanH544 wrote: »

I called the garda at 6.28am initially and was told a car would be with me soon.
Then I checked the app and saw the GPS said it was just after passing the border at 6.34am so called the garda back and told them that I had the GPS signal, they said they would add those details and inform the garda who will be arriving at the house. At 7.01am the car was nearing Armagh so I called the PSNI (after my dad recommended calling them as the car was in the north) and told them the location. After that call the car stopped giving GPS despite multiple refreshes. I then called the Garda and let them know the update and that I called the PSNI also. Then at around 7.40am the Garda car arrived and just took a witness statement.

Its a sad state of affairs if neither police service made an attempt to find the car after you gave them precise GPS location and direction.

It would seem all they wanted to do was fill in the paperwork to allow you claim on your insurance. Thats not policing if thats all they did.