2018 Leaf

Old diesel

KCross wrote: »

DeanH544 wrote: »

I called the garda at 6.28am initially and was told a car would be with me soon.
Then I checked the app and saw the GPS said it was just after passing the border at 6.34am so called the garda back and told them that I had the GPS signal, they said they would add those details and inform the garda who will be arriving at the house. At 7.01am the car was nearing Armagh so I called the PSNI (after my dad recommended calling them as the car was in the north) and told them the location. After that call the car stopped giving GPS despite multiple refreshes. I then called the Garda and let them know the update and that I called the PSNI also. Then at around 7.40am the Garda car arrived and just took a witness statement.

Its a sad state of affairs if neither police service made an attempt to find the car after you gave them precise GPS location and direction.

It would seem all they wanted to do was fill in the paperwork to allow you claim on your insurance. Thats not policing if thats all they did.

They may not actually have the resources available as silly as that sounds.

And NO that's not an acceptable reason

DeanH544

KCross wrote: »

Its a sad state of affairs if neither police service made an attempt to find the car after you gave them precise GPS location and direction.

It would seem all they wanted to do was fill in the paperwork to allow you claim on your insurance. Thats not policing if thats all they did.

I can't speak for either (agency?) of course, but based on my calls with them it did seem like the PSNI gave it a good go. I got a call back from a constable who was on the road looking for the car asking for further GPS updates, however the signal had unfortunately stopped at this time.

With the Gardai it genuinely did just come across as a paperwork exercise. Telling me things like, across the border means it's basically gone, robbed to order etc. They never even asked about the GPS when they arrived until the PSNI called me (a lady from dispatch, before the constable's call) and I had them on speaker as I was with the Gardai at this time.

samih wrote: »

Sorry to hear about you car DeanH544. Sounds like you'll get to enjoy another new L40 soon enough.

Hopefully this one will be around for more than a month this time

SIDE NOTE:
Not to hijack this thread all together, but the insurance situation of it all is an absolute bloody nightmare too!

Apparently because my car is currently reported stolen my insurance policy which normally covers me to drive other vehicles is no longer valid. Meaning the plan of borrowing my dads car went out the window. The insurance company advised me to get myself added to my dad's policy, which seemed like a logical approach. Until we called dad's insurance and they informed us that I can not be added to the policy while a claim is in place on my policy. I also can't add my dad's car to my policy because it's already insured on his policy.

This means despite having a car available to use for commuting to work, I can not use it. Meaning now I have to deal with potentially getting a rental or something... absolute nightmare. (insurance company offers a courtesy car for five days (after 24hrs of my car being stolen), something tells me this won't be resolved within 5 days though)

KCross

DeanH544 wrote: »

I can't speak for either (agency?) of course, but based on my calls with them it did seem like the PSNI gave it a good go. I got a call back from a constable who was on the road looking for the car asking for further GPS updates, however the signal had unfortunately stopped at this time.

With the Gardai it genuinely did just come across as a paperwork exercise. Telling me things like, across the border means it's basically gone, robbed to order etc. They never even asked about the GPS when they arrived until the PSNI called me (a lady from dispatch, before the constable's call) and I had them on speaker as I was with the Gardai at this time.

Well thats good. At least they put a car out to look for it. Thats what you'd want/expect.

Pity you lost the GPS location. 30mins earlier might have made the difference.

They obviously got to their destination at that point and probably had the car disabled or in a container where mobile signal wouldnt work.

JohnxF

DeanH544 wrote: »

I recall seeing a post about a leaf being stolen before, but can't seem to locate it. So hope its applicable to post here instead.

Just wondering if anyone has gone through the ordeal of their L40 being stolen. Woke up this morning to find my 191 L40 gone, both keys in the house still and no signs of a break in.

Had the Nissan connect app connecting to the GPS until the car got north of the border.

Mainly wondering if anyone has had success recovering the vehicle with the built in GPS... or if theres a tracking mechanism in terms of when its charging that I'm not aware of?

Sorry to hear about your Leaf. We had a new Leaf stolen last September from my driveway - no keys required like yourself. The thieves obviously just did the signal-boosting thing to make the car think the keys were nearby and simply pressed the little button on the door to unlock it. They were gone in a couple of minutes. Car never seen again. It wasn't noticed gone until a few hours later by which stage it was probably across the border or on a ferry.
Our insurer - FBD - declare it gone after 30 days but only hire you a replacement car for a week. For the rest we borrowed a car - there was no problem transferring the policy to the borrowed car so maybe FBD have different rules to your insurer. Once declared stolen, the policy offers a new-for-old replacement or the value to sort it out yourself. We opted to let them source a new car for us but that took quite some time (there's a wait list) and in hindsight we should have taken the money and bought a cheap runabout for the near 3 months wait for a new Leaf.
We now have a new one and I keep the keys in a faraday bag (available in Halfords or online) and I've also disabled the door unlocking button from within the car setup.

Nedved85

JohnxF wrote: »

I've also disabled the door unlocking button from within the car setup.

Once this is done - the Leaf should be safe enough yeah?

Sorry to hear about the car being stolen.

JohnxF

Nedved85 wrote: »

Once this is done - the Leaf should be safe enough yeah?

Sorry to hear about the car being stolen.

If you have the keys in a faraday cage/bag then the button should not be able to do anything as the car will not think the key is nearby at any stage. So disabling the button is a belt-and-braces thing.

Soarer

Who needs a Leaf stolen to order?

Seriously like.

Gile_na_gile

Sorry also for this loss of your car. Am also in North Kildare with an L40, not yet stolen..., and there seems to be a spate in this part of the country. How many I wonder are disappearing up north? It must be one gang, like the JCB ATM breakers, who are doing this in the area. I turn off keyless at home, and know I should install security lights too.

I hear that in some countries a L40 battery pack in the L24 is a thing these days. So most likely the cars are broken into parts and used to repair crashed cars and ones with bad batteries. So import a L24 with dead battery cheaply and get upgrade to 40 kWh from the grey market. Don't ask too many question about the origins of your new pack.

Shefwedfan

samih wrote: »

I hear that in some countries a L40 battery pack in the L24 is a thing these days. So most likely the cars are broken into parts and used to repair crashed cars and ones with bad batteries. So import a L24 with dead battery cheaply and get upgrade to 40 kWh from the grey market. Don't ask too many question about the origins of your new pack.

Would it fit? I would expect the L40 pack to be a lot bigger

It's physically the same size as any 24/30 pack revisions. The only exception is the L62 whose battery is slightly taller. The cell voltages are sligthly different between different chemistries (and cause the GOM and charge readings being inaccurate) and on the 2011/12 LEAFs the connectors require an adaptor. But physically you can fit 40 pack into any 2011-> LEAF.

The battery pack/BMS will also need to be paired with the new car which Nissan won't do but there are different ways around it.

Stealthirl

DeanH544 wrote: »

Had the Nissan connect app connecting to the GPS until the car got north of the border.

How do you do this ?

hankless

I'm in the gang, just got my new LEAF. Loving it so far.

Can anyone recommend some extras or accessories? I can't see much on the Nissan website. I'm going to get the boot liner and wouldn't mind seeing what else is available.

Old diesel

samih wrote: »

It's physically the same size as any 24/30 pack revisions. The only exception is the L62 whose battery is slightly taller. The cell voltages are sligthly different between different chemistries (and cause the GOM and charge readings being inaccurate) and on the 2011/12 LEAFs the connectors require an adaptor. But physically you can fit 40 pack into any 2011-> LEAF.

The battery pack/BMS will also need to be paired with the new car which Nissan won't do but there are different ways around it.

How does rapidgate fair in this retrofit?????.

Is it a case of she will keep heating up on full speed rapid charging until something triggers turtle mode due to excess heat.

Or does pairing the BMS include having to take on rapidgate software????

Old diesel

Old diesel wrote: »

How does rapidgate fair in this retrofit?????.

Is it a case of she will keep heating up on full speed rapid charging until something triggers turtle mode due to excess heat.

Or does pairing the BMS include having to take on rapidgate software????

The BMS is in the battery module and it's the boss as far as the charging speeds are concerned. But as the 40 kWh battery needs to be paired with the other modules in the car who knows how it's done. I'm sure the infrormation is availabe somewhere is you read Russian. Most likely the battery modules of the existing pack are replaced with the bigger modules but it could also be that the "locals" have gotten around the Nissan security systems and can transplant the full pack into a different car without issues. In theory you could just build in a full L40 into any Leaf as the shell is the same. Just swap the dash and all the wiring looms modules and the drivetrain.

It's better use the correct BMS as the 24 kWh BMS couldn't optimally charge the cells of a different chemistry due to slightly different voltages. And and any case the GOM would be way off due to wrong discharge profile programmed in it. For example if you use the 30 kWh cells in a 24 kWh car the car will go through the first 2/3 of the charge indicator really quickly and the low battery warnings would show when there is still a lots of charge left.

September1

Maybe in future batteries would be including DRM to prevent users from swapping them without control of manufacturer. Cost of running system could be covered by small increase in service price and if someone is going to service in independent garage or use battery for domestic purposes once car is scrapped they would pay small monthly fee to car manufacturer.

Fitz2011

Are they putting up the price of the L40 in July?

icom

Fitz2011 wrote: »

Are they putting up the price of the L40 in July?

It's already increased nearly 2k across the water :eek:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/nissan-leaf-electric-car-price-increased-uk

Mike9832

Fitz2011 wrote: »

Are they putting up the price of the L40 in July?

Time to get rid of 10k subsidies

Autogiants are all taking the piss

Fitz2011

Mike9832 wrote: »

Time to get rid of 10k subsidies

Autogiants are all taking the piss

Yeah I’d have to agree. It’s already overpriced for what it is. Can’t see how they can justify increasing it. Madness

KCross

Nissan now know what the Kona, Niro, Model 3 and now the ID.3 cost and they’ve realised competition isn’t as hot as it could have been.

Every new EV reveal has been a disappointment on price and/or availability.

Mike9832

KCross wrote: »

Nissan now know what the Kona, Niro, Model 3 and now the ID.3 cost and they’ve realised competition isn’t as hot as it could have been.

Every new EV reveal has been a disappointment on price and/or availability.

The affordable EV scene here is a sad state of affairs

In 5 years the range has gone up 100km ( EPA) and price up €7000, all the while battery prices have supposedly gone down massively, its a joke

A 200km affordable EV in 2019 ( Leaf, Ioniq etc) are €30,000 - €28,000 give or take

While back in the day in 2014 a 100km Leaf XE trim was €21,000

Zero progress been made in 5 years

We've gone backwards

slave1

Fitz2011 wrote: »

Are they putting up the price of the L40 in July?

icom wrote: »

It's already increased nearly 2k across the water :eek:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/nissan-leaf-electric-car-price-increased-uk

KCross wrote: »

Nissan now know what the Kona, Niro, Model 3 and now the ID.3 cost and they’ve realised competition isn’t as hot as it could have been.

Every new EV reveal has been a disappointment on price and/or availability.

Bang on, simple supply and demand, they will increase the price as folk are willing to pay it due to brutal supply from competitors

Water John

A major change in a product is always an opportunity to alter the price point with the consumer.

September1

I think it is good news, as it suggest there is strong demand for EVs. It also means possible better resale value for current owners.

unkel

September1 wrote: »

it suggest there is strong demand for EVs.

Yes that's been clear for well over a year now. There simply is more demand for EVs new or second hand than there is supply

September1 wrote: »

It also means possible better resale value for current owners.

Yes it does. In many cases second hand bought EVs are worth more now than the current owner paid for them in the past. Negative depreciation.

I disagree this is good news though. I prefer if there was mass supply of new EVs at reasonable prices (i.e. a €25k VW Neo on the road or a €15k Dacia EV with very basic specs and a small battery - on the road)

This would be much better for the uptake of EVs. Even though it would hurt my own pocket, the greater good is what's at stake here.

September1

unkel wrote: »

I disagree this is good news though. I prefer if there was mass supply of new EVs at reasonable prices (i.e. a €25k VW Neo on the road or a €15k Dacia EV with very basic specs and a small battery - on the road)

The more profitable EVs are, the more new entrants to market there will be. More competition should drive innovation and reduce prices. After all final consumer of EVs are their owners, so the more you hit their pockets, the slower is absorption on new cars.

McGiver

unkel wrote:

I disagree this is good news though. I prefer if there was mass supply of new EVs at reasonable prices (i.e. a €25k VW Neo on the road or a €15k Dacia EV with very basic specs and a small battery - on the road)

This would be much better for the uptake of EVs. Even though it would hurt my own pocket, the greater good is what's at stake here.

Absolutely this. EVs must not be seen almost as some sort of a luxury product with massive premiums over ICEs.

It's already really late in terms of climate change and pollution as it stands and further delays of EV roll-out due to unaffordability is not good news at all.

KCross

Also not good that the price is going up when state subsidies are still in play. The idea should be that the prices reduce and then you remove the subsidy. We are going the wrong direction.

I don’t see it changing anytime soon due to battery costs.

Mike9832

McGiver wrote: »

Absolutely this. EVs must not be seen almost as some sort of a luxury product with massive premiums over ICEs.

It's already really late in terms of climate change and pollution as it stands and further delays of EV roll-out due to unaffordability is not good news at all.

Even with the 10k subsidy they are unaffordable and not competitive

What's the price of the 200km Leaf40 now with the price hike €41,000?, less the €10,000 subsidy bringing it to €31,000, get some ICE car for that

Without the 10k subsidy a 15k Dacia or 25k VW ID is not going to happen for years

Autogiants are loving it as they don't want to sell them and know no alternative exist's from new player's.

At this stage the Government might as well put that €10,000 into solar, wind or something to reach it's targets and let the Autogiants get huge fines from the EU cause no one is buying a Leaf here for €41,000

They won't be long making them affordable then

Old diesel

1) it's always been common practice for manufacturers to do price increases at various points. This isn't a new thing or necessarily linked to EV or grants.

2) two possible outcomes from this - a) the cars keep selling which implies customer acceptance for EVs, or b) sales slow down and Nissan are forced to reverse the increase.

3) let's see how Pug and Renault handle e208 and new Zoe pricing.

4) EV at luxury prices????? - it has always been the state of play that emerging tech starts at higher up models first. So ABS started in the likes of S class Merc before progressing to lower models.

5) someone needs to get a handle on the cost to deliver the EV and line that up with the subsidy.

Old diesel

A manufacturer like Nissan cannot be expected to deliver a car at a loss.

Thats why Governments need to look at what it costs pre grant to make an EV and deliver it to market.

KCross

Old diesel wrote: »

A manufacturer like Nissan cannot be expected to deliver a car at a loss.

Thats why Governments need to look at what it costs pre grant to make an EV and deliver it to market.

Nissan are a full 10yrs into their EV program! They are not selling at a loss.

They were able to sell the 24kWh at about €22k for entry model for years when batteries were a lot more expensive and it was profitable. Each iteration has been more expensive to buy, not less.

I don’t think the increase is to ensure they don’t sell at a loss. It’s simple economics, they are maximising profit because the competition isn’t there and is likely to be at least another 18 months away so they’re going to get as much as they can for it. I don’t blame them, it’s a business.

Mike9832

KCross wrote: »

Nissan are a full 10yrs into their EV program! They are not selling at a loss.

They were able to sell the 24kWh at about €22k for entry model for years when batteries were a lot more expensive and it was profitable. Each iteration has been more expensive to buy, not less.

I don’t think the increase is to ensure they don’t sell at a loss. It’s simple economics, they are maximising profit because the competition isn’t there and is likely to be at least another 18 months away so they’re going to get as much as they can for it. I don’t blame them, it’s a business.

Exactly

The sympathy for big auto here lol, always gets me

Mike9832

KCross wrote: »

It’s simple economics, they are maximising profit because the competition isn’t there and is likely to be at least another 18 months away so they’re going to get as much as they can for it. I don’t blame them, it’s a business.

Agree with everything you said KCross, but not this part.

What's going to change in 18 months time?

If it's VW your referring to in 18 months, anyone with a bit of cop on would know they are not going to start the race to the bottom, that's never been VW

They have shareholders and massive massive debt to take care of.

They'll sell as many EV's as they can to meet EU regulations and try to make nice profit's while doing it and sell another 10 million ICE vehicles a year until all the shareholders are dead and buried.

So many things going on behind the scenes we are unaware of.

One I always get a good laugh out of is not enough batteries to satisfy demand, massive massive companies like Samsung SDI and Panasonic are basically begging for battery contract's, really unhappy with sales/demand.

Saw an interesting post on a Tesla forum recently from a guy working in the industry with contacts in Samsung SDI

He said they were really quiet, he said all the big battery contracts are going to startups that don't have production capacity and are giving out tender prices that they will never be able to reach and believes Autogiants knows this and don't care as they would love nothing more than to keep delaying

KCross

Mike9832 wrote: »

Agree with everything you said KCross, but not this part.

What's going to change in 18 months time?

Well, my 8-ball doesn’t see beyond 18 months, which is why I said “at least”!

I may be wrong but I don’t remember hearing any EVs going into volume production in the next 18 months, bar the ID.3. That and the 39kWh Ioniq are the only two that would compete with Nissan and I’m not holding my breath for Hyundai to up production.

It’s sad but true, I think.

slave1

The only time recently to get a good price EV was the Ioniq scrappage and then the UK scene in 2016 when a lot of EVs came off PCP, since then nothing of super value in circulation, I have been tempted to move from our L30 to a L40 used from the UK but the UK prices have gone up the last 6 months so just gonna hold steady until better value comes along

Had the first proper spin on the L40 since the BMS/rapidgate upgrade and the car feels like like is should now: The second charge of the day after a steady 120 km/h run from Limerick to Barack Obama Plaza resulted in 39 kW charge (which is techinally speaking very slightly rapidgating) rate and we were ready to continue the remaining 130 km home after only 25 minutes of charging. Which was a well as there were a Kona 60 and a Model S waiting to use the charger after us.

The charging infrastructure in Kerry sucks. We stayed about 40 km from Killarney and apart from 1 working AC socket in Kilorglin there is nothing suitable availble for miles but had to drive 80 km return to charge in Killarney. And in Killarney itself the only remaining 22 kW AC post in town was out which meant that we had return back to the Topaz/Nissan rapid and topup there to ful battery. Luckily there was no congestion and the next driver who had just arrived didn't need to ring me to my number I had left on the screen while we had pizza.

Anyway, no more rapidgating for us in Ireland and now the ESB or the market forces need to just build us a working charging network.

Gile_na_gile

It's clear that we need a European disrupter like Tesla but for a European audience. I'm happy for Tesla to fill that role but they are not building here, so we are not getting the same offering as they get in the US in relation to price or demand.



The Tesla range reflects the needs of an American audience, even if the products are beautiful. It would take years and years to grow a European equivalent, and we have nothing in the wings except our standard European manufacturers who will continue to contrain supply and supplement their core products for the next eight years.


The most popular family cars (1 car house) are Leaf, Outlander PHEV, and Ioniq (sub 30-35k after grants). That and the crossover market is where the opportunities are. Perhaps if Volvo walk the walk a little faster and commit to no HEVs/PHEVs and go full BEV.

Old diesel

Ambient temps aren't paricularly hot at the moment though.

I doubt you would get away with 39 kw at the 2nd rapid after 120 kph run down the motorway - in hot summer weather - ie getting on for 30 degrees ambient.

Soarer

Old diesel wrote: »

Ambient temps aren't paricularly hot at the moment though.

I doubt you would get away with 39 kw at the 2nd rapid after 120 kph run down the motorway - in hot summer weather - ie getting on for 30 degrees ambient.

So two days a year.

Old diesel

Old diesel wrote: »

Ambient temps aren't paricularly hot at the moment though.

I doubt you would get away with 39 kw at the 2nd rapid after 120 kph run down the motorway - in hot summer weather - ie getting on for 30 degrees ambient.

True, it was only just under 20 degrees yesterday. For those 30 degree long runs the L40 drivers will need to be careful.

Soarer

Just checked the Nissan website there, and the L40 is advertised at €28,690, excluding delivery.

Linky

I always thought the cheapest version could've been gotten for around €26k, no?

Soarer

Soarer wrote: »

Just checked the Nissan website there, and the L40 is advertised at €28,690, excluding delivery.

Linky

I always thought the cheapest version could've been gotten for around €26k, no?

The price has been that since last year. The initial pricing was 26 for the SV but when Nissan figured out that the competition was delayed the prices were bumped up.

Our launch edition at just under 30k+del turned out to be a great buy especially with the 15k trade in for the old 24 kWh car.

Old diesel

Soarer wrote: »

Old diesel wrote: »

Ambient temps aren't paricularly hot at the moment though.

I doubt you would get away with 39 kw at the 2nd rapid after 120 kph run down the motorway - in hot summer weather - ie getting on for 30 degrees ambient.

So two days a year.

I cited 30 degrees to differentiate between the current weather and the really hot summer weather.

The German you tuber who got 19 kw FIRST charge last year got it at 23 degrees ambient.

Granted he was really shifting at flat out on autobahn pace but still.

There is no doubt that the software update helps the car in many driving situations but it tackles the symptom of an issue (charge throttling) without addressing the cause (battery getting too hard).

Soarer

Yup, agree with all that.

But a German sitting at 140km/h (or whatever it was) on the Autobahn has zero relevance to Irish drivers.
Same goes for a 30 degree ambient temperature, even though that is a little more relevant.

The odds of an Irish L40 driver having to travel >300kms @ 120km/h in 30 degrees heat are fairly remote to be fair.

Usual disclaimer: Obviously Nissan should've added active battery management, and L40 drivers shouldn't have to worry about such trivialities. But we are where we are, and the software has taken the edge off things.

icom

Soarer wrote: »

Just checked the Nissan website there, and the L40 is advertised at €28,690, excluding delivery.

Linky

I always thought the cheapest version could've been gotten for around €26k, no?

When the Leaf 40 was announced they had an entry grade XE model, it had steel wheels and no sat nav or Nissan Connect, priced at €26,290.

They withdrew it soon after, so that made the SV the new entry level car.

http://changinglanes.ie/irish-pricing-new-2018-nissan-leaf/

Stealthirl

Nissan List the SVE at €32,600 but every dealer has them up at €35k+ and say Price advertised is after the €5000 SEAI grant what about the VRT discount ?

Cheapest 19 SVE is €30K and has nearly 15K km on it

unkel

Stealthirl wrote: »

Nissan List the SVE at €32,600 but every dealer has them up at €35k+

Crazy money. I wouldn't pay a cent over €26k for one brand new on the road.

Stealthirl

unkel wrote: »

Crazy money. I wouldn't pay a cent over €26k for one brand new on the road.

Base is €28,690 + delivery of 1-1,300 that's defiantly over the odd's and should be €26K. An SVE should be 30K though.
Cheapest SVE in Ireland is €29K and that's a 181 with 18K km
Even in the UK used Tekna's start at £24K/€27

I was thinking about changing in 6-8 months for a L40 SVE/Tekna so have been keeping an eye on pricing.