TV licence soon required for PCs, laptops, and tablets?

The J Stands for Jay

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I definitely resent funding rte's orchestras.

I love Sean nos

McGaggs wrote: »

Never heard of the Zoo. What's it about (is it just a visit to Dublin Zoo without Bosco's magic door)?

It's the DG's idea. Each week a presenter no longer required gets stuck into the lion enclosure. Both entertains and saves on redundancy.

pilly

I love Sean nos wrote:

It's the DG's idea. Each week a presenter no longer required gets stuck into the lion enclosure. Both entertains and saves on redundancy.

I'd pay for that now!

The J Stands for Jay

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It's the DG's idea. Each week a presenter no longer required gets stuck into the lion enclosure. Both entertains and saves on redundancy.

I wonder if rte would be interested in my TV show concept: Celebrity Thunderdome. Two 'celeb's enter, one 'celeb's leaves. Contestants are plucked from the Montrose canteen to do battle to the death for a six figure salary.

Cienciano

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We have a fúcking orchestra tax. Unbelievable :mad:

The J Stands for Jay

Cienciano wrote: »

We have a fúcking orchestra tax. Unbelievable :mad:

I believe it's a two orchestra tax.

I'm with the Simpsons on this one: Let the orchestras pay the orchestra tax.

Plus, members of their orchestras also get extra tax credits to reduce their own PAYE bills.

I love Sean nos

McGaggs wrote: »

I definitely resent funding rte's orchestras.

It's a peculiar subsidy to the upwardly mobile all right. Strange that with there having been a recent recession and RTE not being able to balance the books, their orchestras, string quartets and choirs are still going.

How can cancer medications for children and benefits for the blind and disabled be cut, yet orchestras escape?

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satguy

We have enough commercial radio stations here in Ireland. So RTE radio could be shut down, that will save a large slice of cash.
We have TV3 or whatever they are called now, they do makeup and fashion during the daytime and soaps later on, So RTE TV could be shut down, and another slice of cash saved.

We do need a good news channel, so we could just keep RTE News Channel, spend an extra bit and make it a good news channel.
Our Licence fee should be only €40 per year, and 10% of that fee should be donated to the BBC to help them stay FTA ..

So,, All sorted !!

And............. To the 100 people that watch TNG,,,,,,,,,, get a life !!

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There are enough Irish langage fanatics around that they should be well able to fund their own radio station or provide a sufficient audience to attract advertising.
On Classic, there is nothing particularly Irish about it. We have ClassicFM, Radio3 and Lyric and there is little to choose between them, depending on the show.
Newstalk has shown that a private current affairs radio can survive, and thats in competition with RTE.
Taxpayer funding of RTE radios is unnecessary and market distorting.

Sephiroth_dude

Why can't rte go too Subscription model? and let anyone who wants too pay for tubby's salary off with them then.

TheQuietFella

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There are enough Irish langage fanatics around that they should be well able to fund their own radio station or provide a sufficient audience to attract advertising.
On Classic, there is nothing particularly Irish about it. We have ClassicFM, Radio3 and Lyric and there is little to choose between them, depending on the show.
Newstalk has shown that a private current affairs radio can survive, and thats in competition with RTE.
Taxpayer funding of RTE radios is unnecessary and market distorting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvNw0P5ZMbA

ancapailldorcha

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Why can't rte go too Subscription model? and let anyone who wants too pay for tubby's salary off with them then.

For the same reason that those who enjoy high culture don't spend their time watching I'm a celebrity, get me out of here.... It's drivel and given the choice, they'd cut off its funding. Therefore, the only way to ensure that Tubbs and co are kept in the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed is to strongarm the populace into subsidising it via the licence fee because there's no way that the vast majority of them are anywhere near talented enough to survive in the job market.

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ancapailldorcha

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I believe Eastenders is fairly popular in Ireland. Neighbours and Home and Away are broadcast much earlier and would be much easier to jettison IMO.

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ancapailldorcha

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I forgot about that...

I was thinking along the lines that if people actually watch in any significant number the content that RTÉ produces then it becomes somewhat justifiable.

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ancapailldorcha

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Of course. I'd managed to completely forget that most people get other stations along with RTÉ.

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satguy

One so called Irish TV channel kicked off it's first day on air with "Good Morning Britain"

RTE is a closed shop, where jobs are handed down to sons and daughters, a hiding place for over paid fat cats.

But an RTE news channel with shows like prime time on after 9:00 would be worth paying for.. Maybe Tubbs could open a few supermarkets.

And saorview should have been on astra satellite, as we all had dishes pointed at it already. ( who did that to us ? )

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Thats ok if the advertising income they generate is more than they cost. If not, then its ridiculous to be doing this with taxpayer money.

The J Stands for Jay

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I remember reading a news report on a study that showed watching depressing soaps like EastEnders shortened your life expectancy. One would assume they also have poor health and are an additional cost for the HSE. Good work RTÉ, using the licence fee to overcrowd out hospitals.

mzungu

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I remember reading a news report on a study that showed watching depressing soaps like EastEnders shortened your life expectancy. One would assume they also have poor health and are an additional cost for the HSE. Good work RTÉ, using the licence fee to overcrowd out hospitals.

This needs to put in a public health announcement before the credits. :pac:

adomolis

RTE is beyond saving. Just let them die. I wish more and more people withdrew from paying tv licence altogether. What pisses me off even more is that everyone will have to pay, even if they dont watch it at all. Were not in the 60'ies anymore where we had maybe two channels alltogether to watch so licence fee kinda made sense back then. Now we have netlix, hbo, amazon, youtube etc. all kinds of streaming services and most importanty WE HAVE A CHOICE. So the fee in 2017 absolutely does not make any sense. Heck, instead, we should be talking about getting rid of it for good and make RTE a fully commercialized broadcaster.

Anyway, how come I dont have to pay for road tax if i dont use the roads (declare vehicle off the road), but if i dont watch RTE i still have to pay it? I swear to god these pricks, they will not get a single cent from me. Not a single one.

guile4582

jacksie66 wrote: »

A joke. So I already paid tax to the government when I bought my laptop, phone or tablet. I pay tax on the electricity I use to charge it. I pay tax on my Internet so that I can watch content. And now they want an extra 160 to pay for a TV network I never watch and to pay some worthless TV presenters salary.
They can rightly shag off..

so should we get all our news from Liberty Global or Murdoch's empire instead?

Let's privatise everything so? because that has no pitfalls

Billy86

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so should we get all our news from Liberty Global or Murdoch's empire instead?

Let's privatise everything so? because that has no pitfalls

I think news should be a function of RTE, but there are thousands and thousands of different sources of news that you can access almost instantly, to be fair.

guile4582

Billy86 wrote: »

I think news should be a function of RTE, but there are thousands and thousands of different sources of news that you can access almost instantly, to be fair.

do you trust all of them? will thejournal.ie ; TV3 ; Sky News pay for extensive coverage and cover the cost of cultural events like 1916 Celebrations, do the above also have or have an interest in having offices and staff all around the country to cover all these events? Given the the small commercial market that is here, and given the drop in advertising due to market uncertainty?

do they liase with schools and launch iniatives and projects with them concerning culture and the arts? would they bother if there was no RTE?

RTE is more than Tubs and overpaid celebrities too. a national broadcaster, especially when it comes to news and current affairs in the current climate is of immense importance, not to mention in a country where broadband is still not available to many, and Virgin and Sky have no interest in rolling out infastructure due to lack of profits available, RTE is a lifeline to many people via radio and TV. should we just further isolate rural communities?

if you agree RTE should broadcast news - do you believe a license fee therefore is justified?

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guile4582

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Prime Time investigates, Tuam babies, Garda whistleblowers etc etc

would you trust other stations that are purely commercial to have no bias?

i am not saying RTE is perfect, the BBC has its fair share of breaches for similar but it has a remit as a public broadcaster, and if it fails to fulfill that remit, we can actually lobby to have something done about it. but to scrap it becuase you do not like the Late Late Show etc is ludricious. plus these shows still pull in ratings. people are watching it.

Billy86

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do you trust all of them? will thejournal.ie ; TV3 ; Sky News pay for extensive coverage and cover the cost of cultural events like 1916 Celebrations, do the above also have or have an interest in having offices and staff all around the country to cover all these events? Given the the small commercial market that is here, and given the drop in advertising due to market uncertainty?

do they liase with schools and launch iniatives and projects with them concerning culture and the arts? would they bother if there was no RTE?

RTE is more than Tubs and overpaid celebrities too. a national broadcaster, especially when it comes to news and current affairs in the current climate is of immense importance, not to mention in a country where broadband is still not available to many, and Virgin and Sky have no interest in rolling out infastructure due to lack of profits available, RTE is a lifeline to many people via radio and TV. should we just further isolate rural communities?

if you agree RTE should broadcast news - do you believe a license fee therefore is justified?

A licence fee is justified as far as they can justify it - €160 is not justified at that rate. €320 could would be justified if they were providing more effort on the front of Irish productions, better news analysis etc rather than spending it on countless foreign TV shows.

It's not the licence that I would have a big gripe it, it's how they use it.

guile4582

Billy86 wrote: »

A licence fee is justified as far as they can justify it - €160 is not justified at that rate. €320 could would be justified if they were providing more effort on the front of Irish productions, better news analysis etc rather than spending it on countless foreign TV shows.

It's not the licence that I would have a big gripe it, it's how they use it.

RTE is using the license fee to merely survive and maintain what original output it has due to governement slashing how much they give the station and because of license evasion. that is a fact. news analysis etc. that is huge studio costs and manpower costs. the money simply isnt there

those foreign tv shows you speak of are not costing huge amounts of money. a lot of the BBC syndicate shows are given to RTE at a huge discount and include free airings

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Billy86

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RTE is using the license fee to merely survive and maintain what original output it has due to governement slashing how much they give the station and because of license evasion. that is a fact. news analysis etc. that is huge studio costs and manpower costs. the money simply isnt there

those foreign tv shows you speak of are not costing huge amounts of money. a lot of the BBC syndicate shows are given to RTE at a huge discount and include free airings

RTE make a shockingly poor effort at developing homegrown talent and content, and without even beginning to go into the laughable wages near the top end of the scale, a much bigger problem is spending €24mn a year on the likes on British, Australian and American soaps, sitcoms and dramas. The amount of their own material they could produce for that sum, as well as purchasing local content for distribution, is very very large. Just look at what TG4 do in this respect on an absolute pittance, relatively speaking.

And it's about far more than just the cost - as a national broadcaster taking in tax payers money they should have a remit to develop and provide exposure to the talent in their industry. they more than have the means to do that but instead, they'd rather just show lazy repeats of shows not even from here.

So no, I don't think my fee to the government should be going to pricing the likes of TV3 out of the market on this kind of non-domestic programming which ultimately just removes said funds straight out of the country. Do you?

guile4582

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Multiple channels - so lose RTE 2 and RTEjr? in case of clashes, i.e. GAA games with other events - use RTE Digital more? 100% agree. but what about broadband availability in certain areas?

Imported programmes - all the ones you mentioned are pulling in the ratings and justify themselves. generate commercial revenue which fills some of the gap of license evasion

Daniel & Majella / Dancing with stars? I agree with you but thousands don't. check the ratings!!

2FM - again as part of a cost cutting measure sure it can be cut.

Land in D4 - massive part is now up for sale. as for the rest, there is decades of infastructure, connectivity and fibre on that site. the cost of moving the whole site and dual running would basically mean RTE would probably only operate a 4 hour schedule a day but still needing everyones 160e fee. that ok with you?

2,000 employees? latest figures indicate 1800 with at least 200 redundancies sought

High salaries? how do you know this?? what should everyone in dublin earn? 25k?

Childcare facilites? i think roughly 1k a month to have your child in there for staff

On site club - this tiny gym comes to members at a cost of nearly 230e a year

Stars earnings? - yes very much inflated. agree with you

guile4582

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€24mn

that i believe is a 2013 figure. where is your source for 2016 or 2017 or what year is that figure for?

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....in order to survive!

but yeah maybe now we have more choice (because once upon a time we didnt! and it wasnt that long ago, and i point out again in certain areas of the country a lot still dont have a choice).

so RTE chould relinquish all entertainment programmes and just stick with news/current affairs and sport

but i am sure the Irish public will have an issue paying for that too.

Oireachtas TV is now also available as a channel - so you can get your fill there too

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ancapailldorcha

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....in order to survive!

but yeah maybe now we have more choice (because once upon a time we didnt! and it wasnt that long ago, and i point out again in certain areas of the country a lot still dont have a choice).

so RTE chould relinquish all entertainment programmes and just stick with news/current affairs and sport

but i am sure the Irish public will have an issue paying for that too.

Oireachtas TV is now also available as a channel - so you can get your fill there too

They're doing a lot better than just surviving to be honest when you look at salaries and perks. They should either ditch the licence fee and become an independent broadcaster or ditch the advertising and stick to a public service remit. Mixing the two results in an incompetent broadcaster propped up by the taxpayer.

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Billy86

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that i believe is a 2013 figure. where is your source for 2016 or 2017 or what year is that figure for?

As Permabear pointed out that's from their most recent report, 2015.

Surely you agree that that money, dedicated towards the Irish TV & film industry in the form of the Irish TV licence, to the Irish national television and radio broadcaster, by the Irish taxpayer, would be better spent developing the Irish television and film industry and the Irish/Irish-based staff that work in it, keeping far more of the money circulating in the Irish economy, rather than being in moved straight out of our economy in the interest of outbidding an operator like TV3?

guile4582

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the 600 rural villages and towns that Minister for Comms has earmarked for investment for broadband infastructure

so what people want now for the 160e is 100% Irish produced and made content only? That is RTE 2's schedule you are quoting. what was on RTE One during that time? I see your point and the discussion is definetly worth having. the remit is changing/evolving. but for 50 years or so there was an appetite for acquired programming as well as Irish programming. Remember the excitement around the broadcasting of The Sopranos on RTE 2? that's not that long ago

but if the people just want 100% Irish. this is what we need to lobby on

guile4582

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As Permabear pointed out that's from their most recent report, 2015.

Surely you agree that that money, dedicated towards the Irish TV & film industry in the form of the Irish TV licence, to the Irish national television and radio broadcaster, by the Irish taxpayer, would be better spent developing the Irish television and film industry and the Irish/Irish-based staff that work in it, keeping far more of the money circulating in the Irish economy, rather than being in moved straight out of our economy in the interest of outbidding an operator like TV3?

I agree. the goalposts are moving. but I believe we need to engage and feedback. sometimes I just get sick of the no-pay brigade for the sake of no pay. for someone who has lived abroad for many many years in the past, I think I just appreciate an Irish national broadcaster and I definetly see it's worth. the proof is in the pudding, but the right noises do seem to be coming from the broadcaster regarding cutting costs and changing it's outlook on its place in the current climate.

guile4582

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

perks?

explain?

if any other organisation was cutting 200 jobs there would be uproar but nah if it's RTE these people don't matter

Billy86

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

They're doing a lot better than just surviving to be honest when you look at salaries and perks. They should either ditch the licence fee and become an independent broadcaster or ditch the advertising and stick to a public service remit. Mixing the two results in an incompetent broadcaster propped up by the taxpayer.

I wouldn't even have issue with RTE using ads while on the licence fee, with one stern remit that all productions must be homegrown*.

*That doesn't even mean RTE need to have made it, just that it is an Irish show. Plenty of small production companies are getting things made and having difficulty distributing them which RTE could pick up at very low prices given the exposure that will be given in return (like the Miramax example I gave yesterday). With Youtube and the likes as well, there are plenty of areas to search for available content and talent to do so.

ancapailldorcha

guile4582 wrote: »

explain?

if any other organisation was cutting 200 jobs there would be uproar but nah if it's RTE these people don't matter

Have a read for yourself:

http://www.rte.ie/about/en/working-with-rte/2012/0301/291782-working-with-rte/

guile4582

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Have a read for yourself:

http://www.rte.ie/about/en/working-with-rte/2012/0301/291782-working-with-rte/

did you read my post about the "perks" and their costs to the staff?

thats a list of facilities available on site*. these all come at a cost

*also available to the general public if associated I may add

ancapailldorcha

It's the general public who pays for these perks. If staff pay for them themselves then they wouldn't be perks.

guile4582

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

It's the general public who pays for these perks. If staff pay for them themselves then they wouldn't be perks.

so you just proved my point for me?

Gym "perk" for example

http://rteclub.eu/sign-up/