TV licence soon required for PCs, laptops, and tablets?

ancapailldorcha

guile4582 wrote: »

so you just proved my point for me?

Of course not. Taxpayers' coffers are raided to pay for these perks for RTÉ staff.

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Billy86

guile4582 wrote: »

I agree. the goalposts are moving. but I believe we need to engage and feedback. sometimes I just get sick of the no-pay brigade for the sake of no pay. for someone who has lived abroad for many many years in the past, I think I just appreciate an Irish national broadcaster and I definetly see it's worth. the proof is in the pudding, but the right noises do seem to be coming from the broadcaster regarding cutting costs and changing it's outlook on its place in the current climate.

Yeah it does go both ways alright. I don't know what the public opinion on this is like in the UK but it would be interesting - their licence fee is almost identical to ours (£145.50 = €167.79), though it strikes me that the BBC has a very fond place in the hearts of the average Brit, compared to RTE over here. I'm pretty sure they make (or at least distribute) all their own stuff with it all being domestic, and by and large it seems exactly as it should be. And while we might not wind up having successes to the same extent, they make a good bit of money off of merchandising of, reselling to other networks, etc for the likes of Match of the Day, Attenborough, and Top Gear (at least in the Clarkson era it was making them £50mn/yr - https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/mar/11/top-gear-bbc-jeremy-clarkson )

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ancapailldorcha

Billy86 wrote: »

Yeah it does go both ways alright. I don't know what the public opinion on this is like in the UK but it would be interesting - their licence fee is almost identical to ours (£145.50 = €167.79), though it strikes me that the BBC has a very fond place in the hearts of the average Brit, compared to RTE over here. I'm pretty sure they make (or at least distribute) all their own stuff with it all being domestic, and by and large it seems exactly as it should be. And while we might not wind up having successes to the same extent, they make a good bit of money off of merchandising of, reselling to other networks, etc for the likes of Match of the Day, Attenborough, and Top Gear (at least in the Clarkson era it was making them £50mn/yr - https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/mar/11/top-gear-bbc-jeremy-clarkson )

I'd put that down to the size of the taxpayer base in the UK and the attitude towards paying taxes in traditionally Protestant countries that if the government is going to tax your money then there's pressure to make sure you get good service. I'm quite fond of the BBC myself. There's a multitude of high quality programming on offer and they're quite good at making it accessible, downloading on their iPlayer service for example.

ancapailldorcha

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And it won't be much good to anyone living more than an hour's drive away either so being accessible to the general public is irrelevant.

guile4582

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guile4582

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

And it won't be much good to anyone living more than an hour's drive away either so being accessible to the general public is irrelevant.

what an idiotic statement. i could say that about anything!

ancapailldorcha

guile4582 wrote: »

what an idiotic statement. i could say that about anything!

True but it wouldn't be terribly relevant unless you're being made to pay for it.

guile4582

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

True but it wouldn't be terribly relevant unless you're being made to pay for it.

no. it's a stupid observation believe me. serves no justification. you seem like the type who gives a nurse grief when she is attending to you by saying "I pay your wages". sorry if that insults you.

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bonzodog2

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It would be nice to see more detail on this, e.g. per show. IMHO

ancapailldorcha

guile4582 wrote: »

no. it's a stupid observation believe me. serves no justification. you seem like the type who gives a nurse grief when she is attending to you by saying "I pay your wages". sorry if that insults you.

There's no need to be so insulting. I was pointing out that your point that these facilities are open to the public are irrelevant when the overwhelming majority of those who are made to pay for them will never be able to use them.

guile4582

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

There's no need to be so insulting. I was pointing out that your point that these facilities are open to the public are irrelevant when the overwhelming majority of those who are made to pay for them will never be able to use them.

again that holds no water. think about what you are saying. also look into who owns and operates said creche

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guile4582

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I believe it is through association

ancapailldorcha

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That makes two of us. I can't imagine people in places like Donegal and Cork struggling to pay for childcare being to thrilled about being made to fund childcare for people with lavish salaries.

ancapailldorcha

guile4582 wrote: »

I believe it is through association

Any proof?

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ancapailldorcha

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Here's a link to the company operating it. No mention of it being open to the public.

guile4582

just on the basis on the gym membership. i am sure we could email them? you want to do it?

so in the same way i think the HSE is a sh!tshow nurses shouldn't be allowed avail of any benefits until they fix that mess?

guile4582

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yes i believe so

ancapailldorcha

guile4582 wrote: »

just on the basis on the gym membership. i am sure we could email them? you want to do it?

so in the same way i think the HSE is a sh!tshow nurses shouldn't be allowed avail of any benefits until they fix that mess?

Your point, you back it up. I'm not sure why you're moving the goalposts again. This thread is about RTÉ.

guile4582

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Your point, you back it up. I'm not sure why you're moving the goalposts again. This thread is about RTÉ.

so the perks you have an issue with. the employees pay for. that is my point. so how are these perks? proximity perks ok i give you that. is that it?

and employees shouldnt have any perks there is that your other point? just sit there and be robots to management because that will really break the status quo

ancapailldorcha

guile4582 wrote: »

so the perks you have an issue with. the employees pay for. that is my point. so how are these perks? proximity perks ok i give you that. is that it?

and employees shouldnt have any perks there is that your other point?

More strawmen...

Can you prove that the employees of RTÉ are shouldering the entire fiscal burden of these perks? I'm doubtful but I'll give you another chance to back up your claim.

guile4582

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

More strawmen...

Can you prove that the employees of RTÉ are shouldering the entire fiscal burden of these perks? I'm doubtful but I'll give you another chance to back up your claim.

200 redundancies and loss of livelihood not good enough for you?

can you prove otherwise?

ancapailldorcha

guile4582 wrote: »

200 redundancies and loss of livelihood not good enough for you?

can you prove otherwise?

So... nothing to prove that the taxpayer isn't being made to fund these extra perks.

If RTÉ is laying off staff as you claim then it seems a bit frivolous to keep the upper echelons of the organisation on lavish salaries, no?

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guile4582

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

So... nothing to prove that the taxpayer isn't being made to fund these extra perks.

If RTÉ is laying off staff as you claim then it seems a bit frivolous to keep the upper echelons of the organisation on lavish salaries, no?

you are moving goalposts now

On-site professional childcare facilities - employees pay for this (may have a slight subsidy)

Group life and salary protection schemes - paid through wages

Defined Contribution Pension Scheme\PRSA Scheme - compulsary pension

RTÉ Credit Union on-site - do i need to explain?

Availability of membership to RTÉ Sports & Social Club, including on-site gymnasium, squash courts and fitness classes - 243e a year

Educational Support Scheme - makes business sense to progress employees education

Enhanced annual leave benefit - fancy way of saying you can buy annual leave

Staff support services - they're all souless anyway. no point

Bus/Rail Tax Saver Scheme - don't start me on the government

Billy86

guile4582 wrote: »

7pm You should really see a doctor - RTE commissioned (Irish production co)
7.30pm - eastenders
8pm - fair city - RTE produced
8.30 - Daniel & M RTE commissioned (Irish production co)
9pm News - RTE
9.30 Prime Time - RTE
1015 Blue Bloods -

Today's slate on RTE from mid-day to close:

12:50: Me too!
13:10: Me too!
13:30: Pinky and The Brain
13:55: Thunderbirds Are Go!
14:20: Prank Patrol
14:50: Little Lunch
15:05: The Next Step
15:30: Really Me
15:55: The 4 O'Clock Club
16:25: news2day
16:35: Wizards of Waverly Place
17:00: Deadly 60
17:30: The Simpsons: "Treehouse Of Horror XXII"
18:00: Neighbours
18:30: Home and Away
19:00: Home and Away
19:30: Stetsons and Stilettos
20:00: Top Gear
21:00: Apres Match of The Day
21:30: Movie: Due Date
23:10: Don't Tell The Bride
00:15: Rookie Blue
01:10: From Darkness
02:10: Tyrant
02:55: Euronews

Not including Euronews that is 24 slots over 15 hours... 5 slots for a grand total of 90 minutes are Irish, about 20% on each count of shows and time allotted.

Mr.Micro

For RTE to survive it first needs to slim down. It currently is a law onto itself and outdated with regards to staff levels and what it does for the huge money it gets. Rather than upgrade and adjust to the Internet age it chooses to ask for more money instead.

ancapailldorcha

guile4582 wrote: »

you are moving goalposts now

On-site professional childcare facilities - employees pay for this (may have a slight subsidy)

Group life and salary protection schemes - paid through wages

Defined Contribution Pension Scheme\PRSA Scheme - compulsary pension

RTÉ Credit Union on-site - do i need to explain?

Availability of membership to RTÉ Sports & Social Club, including on-site gymnasium, squash courts and fitness classes - 243e a year

Educational Support Scheme - makes business sense to progress employees education

Enhanced annual leave benefit - fancy way of saying you can buy annual leave

Staff support services - they're all souless anyway. no point

Bus/Rail Tax Saver Scheme - don't start me on the government

Repeating a claim doesn't substantiate it. Have you no link?

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guile4582

Billy86 wrote: »

Today's slate on RTE from mid-day to close:

12:50: Me too!
13:10: Me too!
13:30: Pinky and The Brain
13:55: Thunderbirds Are Go!
14:20: Prank Patrol
14:50: Little Lunch
15:05: The Next Step
15:30: Really Me
15:55: The 4 O'Clock Club
16:25: news2day
16:35: Wizards of Waverly Place
17:00: Deadly 60
17:30: The Simpsons: "Treehouse Of Horror XXII"
18:00: Neighbours
18:30: Home and Away
19:00: Home and Away
19:30: Stetsons and Stilettos
20:00: Top Gear
21:00: Apres Match of The Day
21:30: Movie: Due Date
23:10: Don't Tell The Bride
00:15: Rookie Blue
01:10: From Darkness
02:10: Tyrant
02:55: Euronews

Not including Euronews that is 24 slots over 15 hours... 5 slots for a grand total of 90 minutes are Irish, about 20% on each count of shows and time allotted.

i'm not gonna argue but the point is they spend what 3/4 on irish produced and 1/4 on acquired and current feeling is that needs to change towards a more Irish produced 100% model

guile4582

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Repeating a claim doesn't substantiate it. Have you no link?

for all of them?

guile4582

Permabear wrote: »

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nearly a whole young peoples department was wiped out. that was not voluntary

ancapailldorcha

guile4582 wrote: »

for all of them?

Yes. You made the claims.

R P McMurphy

guile4582 wrote: »

you are moving goalposts now

On-site professional childcare facilities - employees pay for this (may have a slight subsidy)

Group life and salary protection schemes - paid through wages

Defined Contribution Pension Scheme\PRSA Scheme - compulsary pension

RTÉ Credit Union on-site - do i need to explain?

Availability of membership to RTÉ Sports & Social Club, including on-site gymnasium, squash courts and fitness classes - 243e a year

Educational Support Scheme - makes business sense to progress employees education

Enhanced annual leave benefit - fancy way of saying you can buy annual leave

Staff support services - they're all souless anyway. no point

Bus/Rail Tax Saver Scheme - don't start me on the government

The one I can comment on there is the creche and the employees do not pay for availing of this

guile4582

i sent you a link for gym membership and someone else posted the creche

arent the rest self explanatory?

ancapailldorcha

guile4582 wrote: »

i sent you a link for gym membership and someone else posted the creche

arent the rest self explanatory?

I posted the link about the creche. It's RTÉ staff only by the looks of things. I'm not going to waste any more time on this by researching your claims.

guile4582

so your license fee is subsidising RTE staff childcare costs - and you have had enough of that. so hence you will not pay your license fee.

good man.

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guile4582

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sorry but Ryan and Miriam can't avail of the "perks" they are contractors ~( pulling your leg man. bit that is true)

creche is being relocated to the old Montrose house too by the way due to land sale

i do agreee that those "stars" need severe wage cuts

satguy

Please can I have my €160 back, I only watched two rugby games on your channel all year, Oh and the 6:00 news one day by accident.
The two rugby matches I watched,, I watched down the pub... Please, Please can I have my money back, your service is not needed..

johnpatrick81

If there was a national referendum to close RTÉ so we don't have to pay this joke of a license fee anymore, I honestly think RTE would be severely at risk.

I'd gladly see the back of it to save that €160 a year. That's 16 months of Netflix, something I use far more of.

hatrickpatrick

BoatMad wrote: »

they have no entitlement to enter your home at all.

They don't? I've never had one call so I don't know the procedure, but honestly if they can't enter your home then how is it that people can't just tell them they haven't got a telly at all and to feck off? O_o

I presume it's based on satellite dishes or some such, in that case? If so, then the most they could do is park in your drive with some scanning gear and determine that one of the in-range wifi networks is for your house. But even if they did, without entering the premises it would be entirely legitimate to claim that the wifi was merely for the smartphones in the house - and that's not even all that outlandish to be honest, I actually know somebody who uses a Galaxy for everything, doesn't have a laptop, tablet or telly. Granted he's a student and this is probably just a cost or space saving measure than entirely a lifestyle choice, but my point is that it's actually a genuinely realistic scenario - so how the hell can they prove anything without coming inside?

This sounds like it's going to be entirely unenforceable...

hatrickpatrick

topmanamillion wrote: »

It really wasn't.
Watching the goys blow the load at finishing 2nd in a tournament against 5 other teams was not worth watching.

What kind of special extended sports package are you on exactly that gives you access to these intimate dressing room moments? :eek:

Samaris

I've not paid a TV license - because I don't have a TV and haven't had one for years. No satellite dish, no box, no connections. This proposed tax will hit me though, as I have a laptop. I don't even watch Netflix, for heaven's sake. The closest thing I get to RTE is the radio being on in work. So I'm a bit hrmph at it all.