Tesla Model S

tedpan

There's a 2018 P100D at work now too. I need a few promotions

bk

In the last two weeks I seem to be seeing Model S everywhere! I counted 7 just walking around over the last two weeks.

Great looking car, I'm dead jealous, sorry if I was drooling at your car over the last two weeks

unkel

bk wrote: »

In the last two weeks I seem to be seeing Model S everywhere! I counted 7 just walking around over the last two weeks.

Like I predicted. When they did away with BIK on EVs in the Netherlands a few years ago, the Model S became the best selling EV in the country overnight. It still is.

ELM327

So this, at a whopping £77k is now the cheapest Tesla CPO available.
They used to have them below £40

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB7E2XHF194927?redirect=no

gally74

ELM327 wrote: »

So this, at a whopping £77k is now the cheapest Tesla CPO available.
They used to have them below £40

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB7E2XHF194927?redirect=no

I support ev s , not a hater, but think Tesla could go wallop, I think he’s got his strategy wrong, should have contracted out the manufacturing of the model 3 and future models

ELM327

Completely irrelevant to what you quoted, and not only that, but not bloody likely either.

Soarer

gally74 wrote: »

I support ev s , not a hater, but think Tesla could go wallop, I think he’s got his strategy wrong, should have contracted out the manufacturing of the model 3 and future models

I'm sure multi-billionaire Elon Musk has a fair idea of what he's doing.

tedpan

Soarer wrote:

I'm sure multi-billionaire Elon Musk has a fair idea of what he's doing.

Watched this the other day. I'm sure they're getting government investment..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHS0H5AwGjU

gally74

Soarer wrote: »

I'm sure multi-billionaire Elon Musk has a fair idea of what he's doing.

Think he’s more interested in space x

Their loosing 2 b a year,

ELM327

gally74 wrote: »

Think he’s more interested in space x

Their loosing 2 b a year,

In non text speak, "They're losing 2 billion a year", is that what you meant?

Yes they may be making a loss now but they are still scaling up in model 3 production, where demand still far outweighs supply.

kyote00

Important week coming up .....
http://uk.businessinsider.com/critical-week-tesla-history-debt-stock-2018-4

KCross

There is a difference between using money and losing money. I believe Tesla are using it.

It’s a matter of how long more investors will keep pumping it in.

gally74

they were 3-4 years ahead with technology, but a bit like Phillips have failed to make a profit on it,

If they had done an apple on it and let someone else build the car, they could have saturated the market, Instead they are struggling and host of manufactures are catching up, Jag, Audi, VW etc.

Tesla is not a market leader in manufacturing... They should have let some one else do it, They are a market leader in Design, Marketing, The charging network, Battery tech etc,

But they wouldnt be the first innovator to lose out on the main market as FAST Followerrs catch up with large manufacturing capacity and Scale.

thierry14

gally74 wrote: »

they were 3-4 years ahead with technology, but a bit like Phillips have failed to make a profit on it,

If they had done an apple on it and let someone else build the car, they could have saturated the market, Instead they are struggling and host of manufactures are catching up, Jag, Audi, VW etc.

Tesla is not a market leader in manufacturing... They should have let some one else do it, They are a market leader in Design, Marketing, The charging network, Battery tech etc,

But they wouldnt be the first innovator to lose out on the main market as FAST Followerrs catch up with large manufacturing capacity and Scale.

They are not a leader in anything really

They will and want to make EVs

The rest dont

That should give them a good head start

The rest will be begging for batteries

unkel

gally74 wrote: »

Tesla is not a market leader in manufacturing... They should have let some one else do it

What company would have the production capacity and the technical skills to undertake that? Tesla are making the batteries in a joint venture with Panasonic, but how about the rest of the car?

Oafley Jones

gally74 wrote: »

they were 3-4 years ahead with technology, but a bit like Phillips have failed to make a profit on it,

If they had done an apple on it and let someone else build the car, they could have saturated the market, Instead they are struggling and host of manufactures are catching up, Jag, Audi, VW etc.

Tesla is not a market leader in manufacturing... They should have let some one else do it, They are a market leader in Design, Marketing, The charging network, Battery tech etc,

But they wouldnt be the first innovator to lose out on the main market as FAST Followerrs catch up with large manufacturing capacity and Scale.

Who would have built them?

thierry14

unkel wrote: »

What company would have the production capacity and the technical skills to undertake that? Tesla are making the batteries in a joint venture with Panasonic, but how about the rest of the car?

Magna International said they could have built 500,000 model 3 in 6 months.

https://www.magna.com/global-reach/north-america

Gally74 has a point tbf

Elon as smart as he is, cant know everything about everything, he's probably too smart for his own good

VW were shocked for instance when he said the Model 3 wouldn't be a shared platform across the Tesla range

Thats industry standard, pretty big mistake

Same with car seat manufacturing

Crazy decision by Tesla to build there own seats, when other companies are specialists at it and all big auto outsource it

Telsa do too much in house for mass production is what experts are saying, grand if your Mclaren but if you want to sell 1 million cars a year you have to outsource labour intensive stuff

Oafley Jones

thierry14 wrote: »

VW were shocked for instance when he said the Model 3 wouldn't be a shared platform across the Tesla range

Thats industry standard, pretty big mistake

I always assumed that was the case the 3, that a major part of the appeal was developing a common platform. Kinda amazed at this.

ELM327

Oafley Jones wrote: »

I always assumed that was the case the 3, that a major part of the appeal was developing a common platform. Kinda amazed at this.

Isnt it a common platform for the 3 and the Y?

Sabre Man

ELM327 wrote: »

Isnt it a common platform for the 3 and the Y?

It wasn't supposed to be but Elon was persuaded to change his mind.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/i-was-walked-back-cliff-insanity-elon-musk-reverses-foolish-model-y-grand-plans-1633331

Oafley Jones

ELM327 wrote: »

Isnt it a common platform for the 3 and the Y?

That's what I assumed.

KCross

thierry14 wrote: »

Magna International said they could have built 500,000 model 3 in 6 months.

https://www.magna.com/global-reach/north-america

Gally74 has a point tbf

Elon as smart as he is, cant know everything about everything, he's probably too smart for his own good

VW were shocked for instance when he said the Model 3 wouldn't be a shared platform across the Tesla range

Thats industry standard, pretty big mistake

Same with car seat manufacturing

Crazy decision by Tesla to build there own seats, when other companies are specialists at it and all big auto outsource it

Telsa do too much in house for mass production is what experts are saying, grand if your Mclaren but if you want to sell 1 million cars a year you have to outsource labour intensive stuff

You think Musk doesnt know about Magna? Sure he does.

The "experts" are just giving opinion based on the past. Its not to say its right or wrong in todays world. Musk has made a conscious decision to do as much in-house as he can to take out the middlemen and retain more margin, just that its more capital intensive and takes longer to deliver (his achilles heal)

The Gigafactory is testament to his strategy and is likely to be one of the best decisions he has made. When all the rest are fighting for overpriced batteries from their oursourced suppliers, Tesla will be building more Gigafctories and churning out EV's by the 100k!

He has a similar in-house strategy with SpaceX.

However, it is a big risk and the bigger the risk the big the reward or fall. If Tesla come out the other end and can deliver 500k cars a year with a decent profit margin then everyone will be saying he is a genius and the shareholders will be ecstatic and happy that everything is in-house and not at the mercy of some big supplier that jacks up the price once they realise they are onto a winner!.... if the credit dries up and they go bankrupt then everyone will say "we told you so"... its just business.

Musk is thinking big and thinking long term. He hasn't done anything wrong yet other than not hit the aggressive dates he sets himself, but he has delivered everything he said he would.

yannakis

Elon's big vision is taking niche markets and turning them mainstream. Other companies will pick it up, and competition will bring development. This was a script a decade ago, but already have 2 examples

Pretty sure he'll gain profit along the way, but his involvement in automobile, space, (and soon AI), are big leaps for humanity.

The lips

How are insurance companies treating model S owners?

It is a high performance vehicle and id expect the premiums to match that.

I have an early deposit down on a model 3, id expect similar expensive premiums for that.

Any owners care to share there premium quotes?

nim1bdeh38l2cw

The lips wrote: »

How are insurance companies treating model S owners?

It is a high performance vehicle and id expect the premiums to match that.

I have an early deposit down on a model 3, id expect similar expensive premiums for that.

Any owners care to share there premium quotes?

You could try some quotes online?

Sabre Man

The lips wrote: »

How are insurance companies treating model S owners?

It is a high performance vehicle and id expect the premiums to match that.

I have an early deposit down on a model 3, id expect similar expensive premiums for that.

Any owners care to share there premium quotes?

For private insurance for a Model S you can expect to pay around €850 to €1,500.

ELM327

Sabre Man wrote: »

For private insurance for a Model S you can expect to pay around €850 to €1,500.

A lot of companies don't seem to insure them though, you will have to call it seems.

umbauk

Sabre Man wrote: »

For private insurance for a Model S you can expect to pay around €850 to €1,500.

In Jan 2018 I had difficulty finding an insurer, ended up with AXA at €1350 (142 Model S 85 - not performance model, 9+ years no claims).

Just renewed it there and there were a lot more companies giving quotes than in Jan. Moved to 123 at €850. 123 wouldn't even quote me in Jan so seems the insurance industry is catching up.

Johnboy1951

News coming out that Larry Ellison (Oracle) has been appointed to Tesla's board.

ELM327

Also, first spot of the CCS adapter for existing teslas spotted in the wild, charging at 105kW at 36% SOC