Tesla Model S

agentblue

dmcg90 wrote: »

I'm looking at getting a dog and a model 3 - curious as to why having a dog would be a dealbreaker, just size in the back?

Hatchback Vs. Saloon??

unkel

Can't lock dog in the boot...

f@steddie

unkel wrote: »

Can't lock dog in the boot...

You sure? https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/tesla-model-s-shooting-brake-worlds-quickest-estate-now-completed

(I believe it costs the same again as the car to make the changes. )

ELM327

f@steddie wrote: »

You sure? https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/tesla-model-s-shooting-brake-worlds-quickest-estate-now-completed

(I believe it costs the same again as the car to make the changes. )

That's a model S.
Which a) you can already lock the dog in the boot it's a hatchback
and b) is not a model 3, which is a saloon, and you cannot lock the dog in the boot

f@steddie

ELM327 wrote: »

That's a model S.
Which a) you can already lock the dog in the boot it's a hatchback
and b) is not a model 3, which is a saloon, and you cannot lock the dog in the boot

Sorry - Model S thread. Should have read it properly. Tired.

agentblue

Can I ask any Model S owners on here, who are you insured with?

Sabre Man

agentblue wrote: »

Can I ask any Model S owners on here, who are you insured with?

Allianz

Sabre Man

Tesla will end referral program to help Model 3 cost, says Elon Musk
https://electrek.co/2019/01/17/tesla-end-referral-program-elon-musk/

dmcg90

Sabre Man wrote: »

Tesla will end referral program to help Model 3 cost, says Elon Musk
https://electrek.co/2019/01/17/tesla-end-referral-program-elon-musk/

Smart move - will add a lot more to the bottom line and I don't think they needed it to be honest.

ELM327

Yes it's gone past the point where it's needed.
Wasn't really adding value for the purchaser once they removed free supercharging for life.

unkel

Tesla fires 3000 employees

Elon claims Q4 was profitable but not as much as Q3. Cutting cost to improve profitability.

Linky

Johnboy1951

"Tesla will need to make these cuts while increasing the Model 3 production rate ..."

Is he going back to more automation I wonder?
Else those aims seem contradictory.

Mike9832

unkel wrote: »

Tesla fires 3000 employees

Elon claims Q4 was profitable but not as much as Q3. Cutting cost to improve profitability.

Linky

They are screwed tbh

Wont be the only game in town for long

Sharks are closing in fast

How can they not make a profit selling high end Model 3s and have the cheapest batteries around?

They'll need to get a proper CEO in and give Musk something else to do, plan for Mars

unkel

They are making a profit, Thierry. They need to maximise profit and cash inflow to finance expansion of Model 3 production, which will bring economies of scale, which should lead to a decent margin base Model 3

That's all exactly what I would expect Tesla to do at this stage. At this point saying that they're screwed is a pretty ridiculous remark. They're doing all the right things and nobody else is much. Except VW, but so far it is mostly talk. We're still a long way away from a Neo on Irish plates...

ted1

Mike9832 wrote: »

They are screwed tbh

Wont be the only game in town for long

Sharks are closing in fast

How can they not make a profit selling high end Model 3s and have the cheapest batteries around?

They'll need to get a proper CEO in and give Musk something else to do, plan for Mars

Tbh it’s not unusual in manufacturing to cull numbers. They work in financial quarters. So will take on staff at towards the end of each quarter on a temp basis. They had to much permanent staff.

They spent billions on R and D and ramping up. That they are repaying that’s eating into profits

I worked in manufacturing for years and it’s standard practice

Mike9832

unkel wrote: »

They are making a profit, Thierry. They need to maximise profit and cash inflow to finance expansion of Model 3 production, which will bring economies of scale, which should lead to a decent margin base Model 3

That's all exactly what I would expect Tesla to do at this stage. At this point saying that they're screwed is a pretty ridiculous remark. They're doing all the right things and nobody else is much. Except VW, but so far it is mostly talk. We're still a long way away from a Neo on Irish plates...

Now is when they should be making hay

No competition

High end Model 3s with huge margins in volume

They made big profits last quarter and didn't have much outlay in this one

Main outlay was 30% increase in workforce to get production to 7000 units a week

This quarter was supposed to be good

Next one has reduced federal tax in the States, demand is dropping in the US, only so many can afford 60k Model 3s

China and EU deliveries not the same margin, transport costs, reassembling, China tough market

It's only my opinion but I think signs don't look good and Tesla Model 3 35k is years off if they can't make money on 60k Model 3s

Mike9832

ted1 wrote: »

Tbh it’s not unusual in manufacturing to cull numbers. They work in financial quarters. So will take on staff at towards the end of each quarter on a temp basis. They had to much permanent staff.

They spent billions on R and D and ramping up. That they are repaying that’s eating into profits

I worked in manufacturing for years and it’s standard practice

Agree

Hiring is no issue

They'll just hire again when volume dictates

Rinse and repeat

Not making a big profit again is the worrying thing

Corner turned etc

josip

If it's standard in the industry why did the share price fall by 13%?
Or was that unrelated?

Johnboy1951

It is one thing culling numbers to cut the outlay, but how do they propose to increase output with so much less staff?

Mike9832

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

It is one thing culling numbers to cut the outlay, but how do they propose to increase output with so much less staff?

Robots

Johnboy1951

Mike9832 wrote: »

Robots

Are they already on line and in use?
If not he might have another disaster on his hands.
It would seem prudent to phase them in and let workers go when the robots are working at full capacity (or close).

The robots cannot take over from workers overnight unless already in position and set up.

Mike9832

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Are they already on line and in use?
If not he might have another disaster on his hands.
It would seem prudent to phase them in and let workers go when the robots are working at full capacity (or close).

The robots cannot take over from workers overnight unless already in position and set up.

Original plan was to use automation for battery lines, robots were bad

Didn't work out so they hired alot of humans ( what Musk call us)

New automated battery line is supposed to be ready now or soon

Mike9832

josip wrote: »

If it's standard in the industry why did the share price fall by 13%?
Or was that unrelated?

About 1 billion in cash needed in 6 weeks has them scared too

Tesla getting desperate now

Raising supercharger prices

https://electrek.co/2019/01/18/tesla-increases-supercharger-prices/#disqus_thread

At 32c/kWh might as well drive a petrol

Especially in the States at 50c a litre

ted1

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

It is one thing culling numbers to cut the outlay, but how do they propose to increase output with so much less staff?

Efficiency, automation temp staff.
They ranked up production last year and obviously having never made that number cars ramped up staff numbers. They took on more than necessary and are just settling with the core staff required

ted1

Mike9832 wrote: »

About 1 billion in cash needed in 6 weeks has them scared too

Tesla getting desperate now

Raising supercharger prices

https://electrek.co/2019/01/18/tesla-increases-supercharger-prices/#disqus_thread

At 32c/kWh might as well drive a petrol

Especially in the States at 50c a litre

They sold 246,000 cars last year. The super chargers must be at max capacity so they can afford to increase prices to curtail the number using and reinvest in more

dmcg90

I thought Tesla's belief was superchargers are designed for long distance travel, not an everyday charge. Most people should/will charge from home where rates are much cheaper - even more so with solar/battery storage.

I'd be fine with the move myself. Looking on Reddit at some of the queues, it makes sense.

Mike9832 wrote: »

josip wrote: »

If it's standard in the industry why did the share price fall by 13%?
Or was that unrelated?

About 1 billion in cash needed in 6 weeks has them scared too

Tesla getting desperate now

Raising supercharger prices

https://electrek.co/2019/01/18/tesla-increases-supercharger-prices/#disqus_thread

At 32c/kWh might as well drive a petrol

Especially in the States at 50c a litre

unkel

Mike9832 wrote: »

At 32c/kWh might as well drive a petrol

Bull. Almost all EV charging is done at home at 8c/kWh. The occasional time where you need to fast charge publicly it doesn't really matter how much it costs. In fact 32c/kWh is very cheap. The norm in the EU (Fastned NL pricing without subscription) is 59c/kWh

tedpan

unkel wrote:

Sold already. What was the asking price?

Not sold, relisted at the same price

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F292925133755

Mike9832

unkel wrote: »

Bull. Almost all EV charging is done at home at 8c/kWh. The occasional time where you need to fast charge publicly it doesn't really matter how much it costs. In fact 32c/kWh is very cheap. The norm in the EU (Fastned NL pricing without subscription) is 59c/kWh

Do we have fuel for 50c a litre here?

Nice

ED E

Rich Rebuilds latest video on the 2nd hand buying story is interesting. Seems Tesla are still really losing out from the lack of motor industry experience. Making a balls of simple things.

They sold 246,000 cars last year. The super chargers must be at max capacity so they can afford to increase prices to curtail the number using and reinvest in more

As above superchargers are not designed for daily use and your car can get barred if you overuse them (according to the AMA). Lots of 'muricans have cheaper leccy than us too.