Dublin v Kerry NFL Final 2017 - **MOD NOTE POST #1**

Patser

Django99 wrote: »

Croke Park will be almost full id say. Definitely more than the capacity of Killarney.

Bought my tickets today. Noticed that none of the Upper Tiers are on sale yet. I'm bringing my Little One in and was able to get fairly central, near front Davin seats. There'll have to be some rush for this to fill.

Edit: just to check, went into tickets.ie to see what's available. Cusack lower now sold out, but Hogan lower selling section 334 at moment, so probably still 3 or 4 more sections to fill there. Davin also freely available

Patser

Also just to point out, this is Dublin's first 'home' game in Croker to be played at a traditional Sunday afternoon time. Every one of Dublin's home matches were Saturday evening throw ins. So this should allow for an extra bump in family attendances. Makes the easy availability of kids tickets all the more striking.

Django99

Patser wrote: »

Also just to point out, this is Dublin's first 'home' game in Croker to be played at a traditional Sunday afternoon time. Every one of Dublin's home matches were Saturday evening throw ins. So this should allow for an extra bump in family attendances. Makes the easy availability of kids tickets all the more striking.

That's true, maybe people are holding out to wait to see what the weather is like or something along those lines.

Stoner

Have been watching some of the old games on YouTube
From 2011 it stands out how well Bryan Sheehan was moving back then. He had a great game. Looking at him last year you can really see a significant difference.

Bonniedog

Would you say that Sheehan gets the jitters against Dublin Stoner?

Seems to me that the pot herbs get to him when it is close and there's blue jerseys about.

You'd imagine Kerry might have head doctors for that sort of malaise ...

Stoner

Bonniedog wrote:

Would you say that Sheehan gets the jitters against Dublin Stoner?

You sir are a Messer!!!!! Lol.

My honest opinion on Sheehan is that he has the wrong attitude. Star, Walsh and O'Mahony before he retired are older Kerry players with the right attitude. I'd say Sheehan still cant get his head around things.
Outside of boards the Kerry lads I know hold the opinion that Fitz is just holding things together for O'Connor. I'd imagine that popping a young lad in there now instead of Sheehan might be wise.

But I don't know who to select because like most Dubs I don't know anything about Kerry football.

Bonniedog

You don't know anything about football. Period. No one else does.

Oh yes, we can produce gym monkey automations who do bold things to chaps whose only desire is to rise twenty feet into the air for a clean catch and deliver a mighty fkn boot of the ball into another chap while lesser beings stand back and admire it all.

Anything else is an abomination. So it is.

robbiezero

Bonniedog wrote: »

You don't know anything about football. Period. No one else does.

Oh yes, we can produce gym monkey automations who do bold things to chaps whose only desire is to rise twenty feet into the air for a clean catch and deliver a mighty fkn boot of the ball into another chap while lesser beings stand back and admire it all.

Anything else is an abomination. So it is.

Who are you replying to with this stuff?

robbiezero

I expect a dour, niggly, physical, disappointing game that Dublin will probably win by a couple of points.

Just like in Tralee, it should be exciting, full of intensity and physicality and little enough display of the skills of the game.

A couple of weeks ago the two top teams in hurling met in Thurles and a week later, the two top (lets put Kerry in there for arguments sake) teams in football met - the two games were similar in physicality and intensity, but the difference in the quality and skill levels on display in both games was staggering.

While I do enjoy the intensity and physicality of top level football, I have found the quality, especially in this years league to be poor. Take Roscommon out of it and most of the Div 1 games have seen less that a 30 point total.

BonnieSituation

robbiezero wrote: »

I expect a dour, niggly, physical, disappointing game that Dublin will probably win by a couple of points.

Just like in Tralee, it should be exciting, full of intensity and physicality and little enough display of the skills of the game.

A couple of weeks ago the two top teams in hurling met in Thurles and a week later, the two top (lets put Kerry in there for arguments sake) teams in football met - the two games were similar in physicality and intensity, but the difference in the quality and skill levels on display in both games was staggering.

While I do enjoy the intensity and physicality of top level football, I have found the quality, especially in this years league to be poor. Take Roscommon out of it and most of the Div 1 games have seen less that a 30 point total.

We can only play what's in front of us. Sometimes when confronted with a lesser team you get dragged down to their level.

robbiezero

BonnieSituation wrote: »

We can only play what's in front of us. Sometimes when confronted with a lesser team you get dragged down to their level.

Much as I hate to agree with you, there is an element of truth in that. I don't think any team could live with the Dubs in an open flowing game.

BonnieSituation

robbiezero wrote: »

Much as I hate to agree with you, there is an element of truth in that. I don't think any team could live with the Dubs in an open flowing game.

I was being facetious. But you are right in a sense.

Nothing Kerry have tried in recent years has worked. You'd think at this stage that going "traditional" might be worth a pop at this remove.

PARlance

robbiezero wrote: »

I expect a dour, niggly, physical, disappointing game that Dublin will probably win by a couple of points.

Just like in Tralee, it should be exciting, full of intensity and physicality and little enough display of the skills of the game.

A couple of weeks ago the two top teams in hurling met in Thurles and a week later, the two top (lets put Kerry in there for arguments sake) teams in football met - the two games were similar in physicality and intensity, but the difference in the quality and skill levels on display in both games was staggering.

While I do enjoy the intensity and physicality of top level football, I have found the quality, especially in this years league to be poor. Take Roscommon out of it and most of the Div 1 games have seen less that a 30 point total.

I wouldn't put a points total as a barometer. There were a fair few games with championship intensity and excitement this year. That makes it a good league in my book.

I'm not sure where comparing Hurling & Football will get you. A top Hurling game nearly always out trumps a top Football game, and I wouldn't know a hurl if it hit me on the head with one.

Games in Castlebar, Tralee, etc in the middle of Winter will always be quite different from a game in Croke Park. Tighter, heavier pitches will bring down the standard in general and it's more likely to be a slog.

I think it'll be a very different game than when they met a few weeks ago. I think Dublin should win handy enough, back on a surface that suits their players and style of play. I'm not exactly sure where Kerry are but bar that purple patch 10 mins before HT in last years SF, there was a massive gulf between the teams. I would look to that game way more than the slog in Tralee when weighing things up.

kilns

The referee will have a very important role on how this game is played out.  Let Kerry get away with the pulling dragging and off the ball stuff and it will descend into a slug fest.
And watch out for the treatment they will try to hand out to Fenton
I personally would love if this particular Kerry team are hammered this Sunday, they are frauds portraying the innocents who are always sinned against, while 90% of the time they will be the one instigating each incident

Tombo2001

kilns wrote: »

The referee will have a very important role on how this game is played out. Let Kerry get away with the pulling dragging and off the ball stuff and it will descend into a slug fest.
And watch out for the treatment they will try to hand out to Fenton
I personally would love if this particular Kerry team are hammered this Sunday, they are frauds portraying the innocents who are always sinned against, while 90% of the time they will be the one instigating each incident

sure they only have the 37 all Irelands (more than all of Connaught and Ulster put together).

ProudDUB

Tombo2001 wrote: »

sure they only have the 37 all Irelands (more than all of Connaught and Ulster put together).

And the O'Se family alone (never mind the rest of the county) have more media gigs stitched up, than all of Connaught and Ulster put together. Which is why I find the current whinging from Fitzmaurice about anti Kerry media conspiracies so funny. They don't like it when their own well oiled propaganda machine hits a speed bump every now and then.

BonnieSituation

kilns wrote: »

The referee will have a very important role on how this game is played out.  Let Kerry get away with the pulling dragging and off the ball stuff and it will descend into a slug fest.
And watch out for the treatment they will try to hand out to Fenton
I personally would love if this particular Kerry team are hammered this Sunday, they are frauds portraying the innocents who are always sinned against, while 90% of the time they will be the one instigating each incident

I woudln't go as far as saying tehya re fraiuds. But they never like it up them.

Tombo2001 wrote: »

sure they only have the 37 all Irelands (more than all of Connaught and Ulster put together).

Listen, imagine how many All Ireland's those Connacht and Ulster teams might have if they got byes to provincial finals or had to face Clare and Waterford on a regular basis over the last 130 or so years. Give over.

ProudDUB wrote: »

And the O'Se family alone (never mind the rest of the county) have more media gigs stitched up, than all of Connaught and Ulster put together. Which is why I find the current whinging from Fitzmaurice about anti Kerry media conspiracies so funny. They don't like it when their own well oiled propaganda machine hits a speed bump every now and then.

The poor wee babógs. It was the same ever thus. I'm surprised I've read nothing from Bomber this week tbh.

robbiezero

PARlance wrote: »

I wouldn't put a points total as a barometer. There were a fair few games with championship intensity and excitement this year. That makes it a good league in my book.

I'm not sure where comparing Hurling & Football will get you. A top Hurling game nearly always out trumps a top Football game, and I wouldn't know a hurl if it hit me on the head with one.

Games in Castlebar, Tralee, etc in the middle of Winter will always be quite different from a game in Croke Park. Tighter, heavier pitches will bring down the standard in general and it's more likely to be a slog.

I think it'll be a very different game than when they met a few weeks ago. I think Dublin should win handy enough, back on a surface that suits their players and style of play. I'm not exactly sure where Kerry are but bar that purple patch 10 mins before HT in last years SF, there was a massive gulf between the teams. I would look to that game way more than the slog in Tralee when weighing things up.

I agree that it was a good exciting league in terms of close games and competitiveness and every team in Div 1 bar Roscommon brought a huge intensity to bear.
However I thought the quality was poor, very little really good forward play.
Hopefully we will get a more open game on Sunday, but I doubt it.

Dyr

robbiezero wrote: »

I agree that it was a good exciting league in terms of close games and competitiveness and every team in Div 1 bar Roscommon brought a huge intensity to bear.
However I thought the quality was poor, very little really good forward play.
Hopefully we will get a more open game on Sunday, but I doubt it.

That's just the nature of football now, it's more like a combination of rugby and basketball. But the league is still as good as it gets until the semi's

BonnieSituation

Football is as good as it has ever been (bar Roscommon).

Bonniedog

Someone mentioned the ref. Well, anyone who saw Neilan reffing the Vinnies games will not be optimistic.

Some of the decisions were bizaree. He even had his own version of the advantage rule whereby if a Vinnies players was fouled he waited to see if he might get into a scoring position. Then he called it back!

He cost Vinnies the game, no doubt about it. So expect anything on Sunday would be my advice.

PARlance

robbiezero wrote: »

I agree that it was a good exciting league in terms of close games and competitiveness and every team in Div 1 bar Roscommon brought a huge intensity to bear.
However I thought the quality was poor, very little really good forward play.
Hopefully we will get a more open game on Sunday, but I doubt it.

I think it has been going that way for a while now, hopefully should see an improvement over the summer though.

DoctaDee

Bonniedog wrote: »

Someone mentioned the ref. Well, anyone who saw Neilan reffing the Vinnies games will not be optimistic.

Some of the decisions were bizaree. He even had his own version of the advantage rule whereby if a Vinnies players was fouled he waited to see if he might get into a scoring position. Then he called it back!

He cost Vinnies the game, no doubt about it. So expect anything on Sunday would be my advice.

He's refereed one Div1 Game in 2 years, needless to say nothing beyond the qualifiers in champo - has all the hallmarks of another Conor Lane .. just hate to think he'll be found to be out of his depth

Bonniedog

DoctaDee wrote: »

He's refereed one Div1 Game in 2 years, needless to say nothing beyond the qualifiers in champo - has all the hallmarks of another Conor Lane .. just hate to think he'll be found to be out of his depth [/QUOTE]


Better now, than in August or September I suppose.

robbiezero

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Football is as good as it has ever been (bar Roscommon).

Seriously?
Each to their own, but I think it has massively deteriorated in quality. The "foot" is mostly gone out of it and its as choreographed now as a game of rugby, indeed even the terminology is starting to overlap.
It will not be a surprise to me if I hear the phrase "breaking the gain line" come into Gaelic football to mean breaking tackles on the opposition 45.

Top level games now are exciting, massively intense and physical, but in the last few years truly memorable games are in short supply.
Kerry - Dublin 2013 being the last really good game of football I have seen between the top teams with a nod to the semi-finals in 2014.

DoctaDee

Bonniedog wrote: »

DoctaDee wrote: »

He's refereed one Div1 Game in 2 years, needless to say nothing beyond the qualifiers in champo - has all the hallmarks of another Conor Lane .. just hate to think he'll be found to be out of his depth [/QUOTE]


Better now, than in August or September I suppose.

This is true .. but it's a strange strategy to drop them in the deep end without cutting their teeth in any game of similar significance

Django99

robbiezero wrote: »

Seriously?
Each to their own, but I think it has massively deteriorated in quality. The "foot" is mostly gone out of it and its as choreographed now as a game of rugby, indeed even the terminology is starting to overlap.
It will not be a surprise to me if I hear the phrase "breaking the gain line" come into Gaelic football to mean breaking tackles on the opposition 45.

Top level games now are exciting, massively intense and physical, but in the last few years truly memorable games are in short supply.
Kerry - Dublin 2013 being the last really good game of football I have seen between the top teams with a nod to the semi-finals in 2014.

For me football is a victim of major false nostalgia. I think the top games now are better than ever, I think the games between lower levelled teams are at least as good if not better than they were 20 years ago.

Any time I find myself watching football from the 20th century I cringe for the people who say the game is changed for the worse. The games back than were chaotic, there seemed to be no sense of structure and skill played second fiddle to brutality a lot of the time.

It didn't really matter if a player was fast or skilful by the looks of it, because a bigger stronger player who was willing to crash into you was all it took to be stopped. And refs were fairly lenient too.

Games were very low scoring, an awful lot of matches had two teams scoring single figure scores.

BonnieSituation

robbiezero wrote: »

Seriously?
Each to their own, but I think it has massively deteriorated in quality. The "foot" is mostly gone out of it and its as choreographed now as a game of rugby, indeed even the terminology is starting to overlap.
It will not be a surprise to me if I hear the phrase "breaking the gain line" come into Gaelic football to mean breaking tackles on the opposition 45.

Top level games now are exciting, massively intense and physical, but in the last few years truly memorable games are in short supply.
Kerry - Dublin 2013 being the last really good game of football I have seen between the top teams with a nod to the semi-finals in 2014.

That 2013 SF was a travesty of bad defending [bloody too many goals] and Dublin ran out handy enough in the end. The way it's fawned over annoys me. Kerry failed to score for over 10min at the end! [I think Declan O'Sullivan got Kerry's final score in the 61st min.]

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Donegal's run in 2012 produced some whoppers. Best game ever for me still 2006 SF v Mayo or AIF 2008. And there have been plenty decent since.

BonnieSituation

Django99 wrote: »

For me football is a victim of major false nostalgia. I think the top games now are better than ever, I think the games between lower levelled teams are at least as good if not better than they were 20 years ago.

Any time I find myself watching football from the 20th century I cringe for the people who say the game is changed for the worse. The games back than were chaotic, there seemed to be no sense of structure and skill played second fiddle to brutality a lot of the time.

It didn't really matter if a player was fast or skilful by the looks of it, because a bigger stronger player who was willing to crash into you was all it took to be stopped. And refs were fairly lenient too.

Games were very low scoring, an awful lot of matches had two teams scoring single figure scores.

The bolded part is what I have been saying for years.

People go on about the "great Kerry team of the 70s", But they were just catch and kick merchants. The football was gash. Give me the hard tussle of a modern Derry and Donegal Ulster preliminary match any day.

Bonniedog

Other than Kerry/Dublin in 70s it was pretty much a dog fight, and even some of those games like 1977 league final were dog fights!

Dublin and Kerry were immensely skilful and talented and fit, but they invariably had at least one game in championship where opposition tried to kick the sh1te out of them. and as you say, refs played little if any part in controlling that. So both teams needed to be pretty ruthless themselves and they were.

Dirtiest game of all perhaps was when Dublin played Wexford in Carlow in 1977. Wexford made almost no attempt to play football, and Dublin responded in kind. there was probably not a man on the pitch who did not deserve to be sent off!

I remember afterwards the Wexford manager saying that his players had learned a "valuable lesson."

Indeed they had!

DoctaDee

Django99 wrote: »

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It didn't really matter if a player was fast or skilful by the looks of it, because a bigger stronger player who was willing to crash into you was all it took to be stopped. And refs were fairly lenient too.

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Can't be summed up any better than this .. Larkin could've saved Mickey Ned a world of trouble if he'd decked him straight off :rolleyes:

Bonniedog

Heffo was so consumed with what Kerry had done to Dublin in 1955 that he arguably placed too much emphasis on above for the '75 final. Didn't work obviously!

Later games were tough and sometimes dirty but there was a bit of a ritualistic element to it. They'd belt one another for ten minutes or so then it would settle down. 1977 league final and a match they played after Dublin won AI in New York were the only really downright slug fests. Thing about it too was neither side ever established a physical dominance of the other.

robbiezero

BonnieSituation wrote: »

That 2013 SF was a travesty of bad defending [bloody too many goals] and Dublin ran out handy enough in the end. The way it's fawned over annoys me. Kerry failed to score for over 10min at the end! [I think Declan O'Sullivan got Kerry's final score in the 61st min.]

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Donegal's run in 2012 produced some whoppers. Best game ever for me still 2006 SF v Mayo or AIF 2008. And there have been plenty decent since.

I'm not talking about the 70s, I agree the football from the nostalgia videos looks crap.
I mean that in the last 2 years the quality of football has deteriorated a lot and it is now very choreographed. This has come in due to the dominance of Dublin and other teams being unable to take them on in a conventional manner.
Donegal were roundly criticized in 2011 for their defensive attitude. This is now the defensive template for all the top teams, thankfully at least they do have a far more attacking template than Donegal had that year also.

We can agree to disagree on this. You reckon that 2013 game was poor defending, presumably because your beloved massed defences were not on display in that game, I reckon it was an outstanding game of football. And not scoring for 10 minutes in a game would be the norm now.

Last two players of the year are wing-backs which to me illustrates that the main attacking threat for teams now is players coming from deep at pace, breaking tackles and creating overlaps.

OldMrBrennan83

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Bonniedog

Having been lucky enough to have seen many of the 70s games, I would contend that video possibly does not do them justice either. Some of games may seem crude now when looked at but they were amazing spectacles. 1977 semi final at one stage went something like ten minutes without a stoppage. I was only a kid but your heart would be in your mouth watching. Not seen anything to equal it until Dubs/Kerry and Dubs/Mayo in last few years, including the 2006 semi that Dublin lost. that was spectacular game. Had everything bar a Dublin win!

BonnieSituation

Patww79 wrote: »

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The Tyrone team of 2005-2008 were what so?

Bonniedog

That's one strange looking Kerry team!

Might not start like that and has a few of the old timers in the subs, but I wonder if Fitzmaurice is deciding to play relatively untested side with view to future, rather than another showdown?

He has nothing to lose with that team if it does line out.

BonnieSituation

Bizarre having Donaghy back.

Pointless.

If it's "mind games"... God bless them.

Bonniedog

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Bizarre having Donaghy back.

Pointless.

If it's "mind games"... God bless them.

Philly not be able to sleep now for a few days

BonnieSituation

Bernard Flynn in the Mirror was a laugh this morning.

Even the lads on Off the Ball were talking about it. The butthurt is strong in Fitz this weekend.

Powerhouse

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Sure!


Those poor wee lambs are going through an awful drought it must be said. Sure we might let them have this one. It's been too long since they won anything. :rolleyes:

In fact Kerry have been relatively unsuccessful in recent years. Of the last 14 major finals All-Ireland/National League they have won just 1. You'd be going back a fair while for that statistic be relevant. Though your tone is noted, the 2014 All-Ireland win has papered over what would otherwise be considered a full blown famine by Kerry standards.

And while they might have "no interest in the League etc." (when they don't win it) the last five times they won it they won the All-Ireland as well. Letting them have this one might not be such a good idea!

The_Honeybadger

Powerhouse wrote: »

In fact Kerry have been relatively unsuccessful in recent years. Of the last 14 major finals All-Ireland/National League they have won just 1. You'd be going back a fair while for that statistic be relevant. Though your tone is noted, the 2014 All-Ireland win has papered over what would otherwise be considered a full blown famine by Kerry standards.

And while they might have "no interest in the League etc." (when they don't win it) the last five times they won it they won the All-Ireland as well. Letting them have this one might not be such a good idea!

It's true Kerry are going through a barren period as are all the traditional football powers with the exception of Dublin who are making hay with a great team and a clear field so to speak.

Hopefully a few of us can get back challenging soon as young players are brought in to the fold. Mayos U21 win last year and Kerrys resent underage success will hopefully see them improve at senior level. Tyrone are also building but have a lot of work to do.

Tomorrow will be an interesting battle but again all the sensible money will be on Dublin. Kerry are missing three of their most important players and their U21 lads, and just don't have the panel to cope with that. A decent performance will keep most people in the kingdom happy.

blanch152

mickeyk wrote: »

It's true Kerry are going through a barren period as are all the traditional football powers with the exception of Dublin who are making hay with a great team and a clear field so to speak.

Hopefully a few of us can get back challenging soon as young players are brought in to the fold. Mayos U21 win last year and Kerrys resent underage success will hopefully see them improve at senior level. Tyrone are also building but have a lot of work to do.

Tomorrow will be an interesting battle but again all the sensible money will be on Dublin. Kerry are missing three of their most important players and their U21 lads, and just don't have the panel to cope with that. A decent performance will keep most people in the kingdom happy.

I wouldn't agree on a clear field.

Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone, Kerry and to a lesser extent Monaghan pose a stiffer challenge than say the 1975-81 Kerry team faced who only had Dublin to think about.

Many would argue that the current Mayo team (six Connachts in a row) is their best ever, ditto Donegal, certainly looks like the second best Tyrone team and the Kerry team has won a string of Munsters, only failing outside the province because of the stiffer competition that previous teams never faced.

Powerhouse

blanch152 wrote: »

I wouldn't agree on a clear field.

Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone, Kerry and to a lesser extent Monaghan pose a stiffer challenge than say the 1975-81 Kerry team faced who only had Dublin to think about.

Many would argue that the current Mayo team (six Connachts in a row) is their best ever, ditto Donegal, certainly looks like the second best Tyrone team and the Kerry team has won a string of Munsters, only failing outside the province because of the stiffer competition that previous teams never faced.

The evidence would suggest otherwise. Kerry have lost only to one team (Dublin) in the championship since they were beaten by Donegal five years ago. It's not obvious that there is enormously stiffer competition than years ago from a Kerry point of view. Instead it looks like there's one team better than them based on the evidence of recent years.

If Mayo had won six Connachts in a row in the 1970s and failed to win an All Ireland you would probably say that it was a sign that Connacht was poor. (For the record, they won five, not six, in a row - Galway won last year) The fact is that Mayo have nearly always had the province to themselves as most of the time the other counties were poor. Take 2012 as an example. Roscommon were beaten by 11 points by Tyrone, and Galway lost to Antrim in the qualifiers. Sligo managed a grand total of 0-4 against Kildare in the qualifiers. That's the Mayo context. They lost to Galway last year who were subsequently demolished by Tipperary. But still Dublin needed two own goals to survive against them. Did the Kerry 1975-81 team ever need such a het-out-of-jail card?

It is also a reality that Dublin very rarely have to meet a Division 1 team in their province these days. I'd say that's as clear a field as Kerry ever had. There is objective evidence through League placings that Leinster football has declined hugely.

Dublin are good, very good. But let's not claim that they are dodging landmines throughout the championship.

The_Honeybadger

blanch152 wrote: »

I wouldn't agree on a clear field.

Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone, Kerry and to a lesser extent Monaghan pose a stiffer challenge than say the 1975-81 Kerry team faced who only had Dublin to think about.

Many would argue that the current Mayo team (six Connachts in a row) is their best ever, ditto Donegal, certainly looks like the second best Tyrone team and the Kerry team has won a string of Munsters, only failing outside the province because of the stiffer competition that previous teams never faced.

This is a good Mayo team over the past few years but they have always fallen short unfortunately. Donegal were very good in 2012. Monaghan are good but will never win an All Ireland. Kerry are at their weakest for over 20 years and Cork, Tyrone, Meath, Kildare, Down, Galway and Armagh are all struggling, with some of the above in full blown crisis. That's about as clear a field as any team are ever going to have.

Kerry haven't lost to anybody except Dublin since 2012 btw.

Dirty Dingus McGee

BonnieSituation wrote: »

That 2013 SF was a travesty of bad defending [bloody too many goals] and Dublin ran out handy enough in the end. The way it's fawned over annoys me. Kerry failed to score for over 10min at the end! [I think Declan O'Sullivan got Kerry's final score in the 61st min.]

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Donegal's run in 2012 produced some whoppers. Best game ever for me still 2006 SF v Mayo or AIF 2008. And there have been plenty decent since.

2013 semi final was a great game.The defending wasn't bad it was just both teams went with an attack first option.It's much more difficult to defend when you decide to go all out attack.

Dublin were only a point up with a couple of minutes left and Kerry not scoring for 9 minutes is no black mark against the game, that sort of stuff happens all the time.In the 2006 semi final Dublin went an even longer stretch at the end without scoring and it didn't take away from the greatness of that game.

jimmytwotimes 2013

Going to watch this one thro my hands. Dubs just stronger than we are at the moment. A lot stronger, but we'll come again.

Up the kingdom!

OldMrBrennan83

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Bonniedog

Patww79 wrote: »

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Inner voice Pat


Just heading out the door now. Really looking forward to it.

There is a fair bit of bollixology about Dublin and Kerry, but it is the biggest rivalry in Irish sport and seldom fails to deliver some sort of unpredictability.

I don't think today will be any different.

OldMrBrennan83

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