Xbox Scorpio Reveal - Digital Foundry - Thursday 6th April

Mickeroo

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

The more I think about the Scorpio, the more confused I become. I mean, its basically next generation hardware that runs current generation games. I could understand if it was launched with Scorpio-specific games, but it's just going to run the same game with better graphics.

Will One owners really be tempted to upgrade for prettier graphics and faster load times for a big price tag? Colour me unconvinced. If MS want to get into a "my daddy is stronger than yours" argument with Sony, good luck to them.

Don't really see what's so hard to grasp, PCs have been working of the same model for decades. Console generation is becoming an outdated term.

Stone Deaf 4evr

Falthyron wrote: »

As opposed to being blown away by how incredible Crackdown 3 looks... Or any other game shown for the first time at E3, for example. Show us something new, fresh, impressive, exciting, being played in real-time, etc. Do something...

Theres no winning in these debates, If they had shown something new, there would be cries of pre rendered footage, then downgrades between trailers and what launches.

I'm happy enough to wait till the games launch, and leave digital foundry do their pixel and frame counting to their hearts content. I'll be busy actually playing games rather than letting a few frames or resolution get me down.

maximoose

emmetkenny wrote: »

I think you need to scratch the "Generation" thing now with Microsoft. We will see periodical upgrades in three tries.

Once Scorpio launces we will have budget (One), mid teir (One S) and high teir (Scorpio). Then as a new more powerful console is released the One will be canned and the S will become the budget machine.

Surely they aren't still producing the original One are they? Being sold off for nothing

The S is cheap enough as it is now with all the deals around

B_Sharp

Just after building a good PC and don't own a 4K TV so Scorpio was always going to pass me by but it looks a decent package. If it is €500 and you manage to get €100-€150 for your current One, it'd be doable for a lot of people.

Still think MS need to be focusing on good exclusive titles though, that bugs me a lot more than the performance gap that was there between the One and the PS4. If you could pair the equivalent of a Horizon Zero Dawn with the capabilities of the Scorpio, then I'd be properly impressed.

Spudman_20000

Mickeroo wrote: »

Don't really see what's so hard to grasp, PCs have been working of the same model for decades. Console generation is becoming an outdated term.

Time will tell I guess. Considering the costs involved in R&D and manufacturing consoles, they'd better hope they sell boat loads of each spec. I don't think comparing PC gaming to consoles is comparing like for like either, unless we get to the point at which consoles replace high-end PC gaming rigs.

Mickeroo

B_Sharp wrote: »

Just after building a good PC and don't own a 4K TV so Scorpio was always going to pass me by but it looks a decent package. If it is €500 and you manage to get €100-€150 for your current One, it'd be doable for a lot of people.

Still think MS need to be focusing on good exclusive titles though, that bugs me a lot more than the performance gap that was there between the One and the PS4. If you could pair the equivalent of a Horizon Zero Dawn with the capabilities of the Scorpio, then I'd be properly impressed.

No denying they dropped the ball on exclusives this year. Sea of Thieves is the only one of note on the horizon really, need to make some big announcements at E3 in that regard.

maximoose

Yeah hopefully they have some surprises for us at e3, while I can't wait for Sea of Thieves I don't think it's gonna be a huge game for Xbox.

Riesen_Meal

Colour me interested, cautiously interested...

I always like a bit of raw horsepower in any games machine, it really just needs some killer exclusive titles now or it won't be worth it for me....

Sea Of Thieves, Forza and Halo don't fall into that category for me personally, and I already have a 4K capable PC in the house and a PS4 Pro...

E3 will definitely be interesting!

Mitch Connor

If they continue to stick to the stated plan that there will be no Scorpio exclusives and no game play differences, I just don't see the point in this (or the pro, which I bought)

qrx

Sounds like a beast. I like how its not just a PC, that its actually engineered to be a console but to complete with the performance of a PC. A hardware implementation of DirectX 12...fantastic!

kunst nugget

Do you think there'll be much sales for this? The sales for the Pro seem to have been a bit tepid which could indicate that there's no real appetite for a mid-cycle upgrade and if there's going to be nothing exclusive for it, is the casual gamer going to pay the extra cost to play the same games?

TitianGerm

kunst nugget wrote: »

Do you think there'll be much sales for this? The sales for the Pro seem to have been a bit tepid which could indicate that there's no real appetite for a mid-cycle upgrade and if there's going to be nothing exclusive for it, is the casual gamer going to pay the extra cost to play the same games?

The jump from One to Scorpio is quite a bit bigger than the jump from PS4 to Pro.

I suppose how well it does will depend on price though.

qrx

kunst nugget wrote: »

Do you think there'll be much sales for this? The sales for the Pro seem to have been a bit tepid which could indicate that there's no real appetite for a mid-cycle upgrade and if there's going to be nothing exclusive for it, is the casual gamer going to pay the extra cost to play the same games?

No but I don't think it's aimed at the general public. Spencer has said the One S will continue to be the main seller. Which would indicate no Scorpio exclusives, why would developers exclude 90% of xbox gamers?

For me this is going to be for the living room hooked up to the 4K tv which currently has no console. It'll have to compete for time with dancing with the stars etc so it all depends on price. Needs to be below €500 or it's just not worth it for me for the amount of use it will see. As lovely a machine as it is. Original xbox will continue to be the main console in the spare room.

The main thing I'm hoping from this is better games. It may take 2 years but eventually developers are going to have to stop shunning Microsoft and start taking them seriously. This is a serious piece of kit. By the looks of it it's game on.

Mitch Connor

emmetkenny wrote: »

The jump from One to Scorpio is quite a bit bigger than the jump from PS4 to Pro.

I suppose how well it does will depend on price though.

The technical jump is bigger but the ideology appears to be the same - which in its current vision means the hardware will not be fully utilized. MS have said the games will be available and work all across the xbox one family. Without allowing exclusives no developer is going to be able to fully take advantage of the hardware.

For me they should have waited another couple of years, created an even more powerful console and had it as an actual generational leap where we could see games they could use every ounce of new power. Not just a nicer graphical sheen.

Still, I'll probably convince mysekf by Christmas to get one!

FAILSAFE 00

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The technical jump is bigger but the ideology appears to be the same - which in its current vision means the hardware will not be fully utilized. MS have said the games will be available and work all across the xbox one family. Without allowing exclusives no developer is going to be able to fully take advantage of the hardware.

For me they should have waited another couple of years, created an even more powerful console and had it as an actual generational leap where we could see games they could use every ounce of new power. Not just a nicer graphical sheen.

Still, I'll probably convince mysekf by Christmas to get one!

I can't really see a game being made that the Xbox One can not run. It just has to run at lower resolution at a locked frame rate. Take Battlefield 1 as an example.

I am not expecting major gaming advances in the next 3-4 years I just expect greater efficiency in development. More utilisation of DX12, etc.

Mitch Connor

Mitch Connor wrote: »

If they continue to stick to the stated plan that there will be no Scorpio exclusives and no game play differences, I just don't see the point in this (or the pro, which I bought)

This was a tech reveal not a games reveal

Mitch Connor

M!Ck^ wrote: »

This was a tech reveal not a games reveal

.... What? So? Since they announced it the message has been as I stated. This being a tech reveal doesn't change that. This not being a games reveal isn't relevant.

Mitch Connor

Mitch Connor wrote: »

.... What? So? Since they announced it the message has been as I stated. This being a tech reveal doesn't change that. This not being a games reveal isn't relevant.

You are saying that there won't be any exclusives if they stick to the plan.
The idea of the plan is to win back developers.

qrx

Red dead 2 is enough for me to buy this tbh. The fact that I can play it on my original Xbox one does not give me any doubts whatsoever.

FAILSAFE 00

Recap

dunworth1

am I the only one not really impressed by this Reveal?

i will await a proper reveal at E3 before making up my mind about it

pcadhain

dunworth1 wrote: »

am I the only one not really impressed by this Reveal?

i will await a proper reveal at E3 before making up my mind about it

well, you were awaiting this "Reveal" with contempt. Sounds like you had your mind made up beforehand.

I'm looking forward to the first substantial upgrade to a 2013 console. Stable framerate, 4K, HDR, faster loading etc.

CatInABox

dunworth1 wrote: »

am I the only one not really impressed by this Reveal?

i will await a proper reveal at E3 before making up my mind about it

It's a spec reveal, with hardware info to chew over. I thought that it was very interesting, but as they say the proof is in the pudding. They'll need to show the improvements to the games, and that'll come at E3.

As it is, to me, the specs are very impressive, as are the improvements to the efficiency of the entire chip. Essentially, from what Digital Foundry are saying, most of the issues that plagued the launch of the PS4 Pro will be avoided.

I have to admit, I'm most impressed by the fact that they've put thought into almost every aspect of it, like the way it'll use the spare 3 GB as a ram drive for "non 4K" games. Loading times will be reduced to better than SSD speeds (at least for any "reload", still has to be put into the ram drive first).

dunworth1

CatInABox wrote: »

It's a spec reveal, with hardware info to chew over. I thought that it was very interesting, but as they say the proof is in the pudding. They'll need to show the improvements to the games, and that'll come at E3.

As it is, to me, the specs are very impressive, as are the improvements to the efficiency of the entire chip. Essentially, from what Digital Foundry are saying, most of the issues that plagued the launch of the PS4 Pro will be avoided.

I have to admit, I'm most impressed by the fact that they've put thought into almost every aspect of it, like the way it'll use the spare 3 GB as a ram drive for "non 4K" games. Loading times will be reduced to better than SSD speeds (at least for any "reload", still has to be put into the ram drive first).

I'm not knocking the actual specs of the machines itself which are impressive
and its get to see some proper details of spencers baby.

i just don't get why the reveal now in April 2 months before e3 surely it would have been better to blow peoples minds with the entire thing in one go
unless they plan to slowly trickle out more info over the next few weeks
as some kind of hype train

what i see now is they have basically shown their hand to Sony which gives them time to come up with a something to counter with at e3.

unless of course they got wind that the specs were going to be leaked by digital foundry and as such made a deal with them

back in 2013 if Sony had gone first it would have been a different story today as Sony were planning almost the same type of drm etc. and had time to scramble and change which the Xbox announced.

i do really want Scorpio to succeed i'm primarily xbox for console gaming
and i will more then likly be running to game stop to preorder as soon as i can

CatInABox

dunworth1 wrote: »

I'm not knocking the actual specs of the machines itself which are impressive
and its get to see some proper details of spencers baby.

i just don't get why the reveal now in April 2 months before e3 surely it would have been better to blow peoples minds with the entire thing in one go
unless they plan to slowly trickle out more info over the next few weeks
as some kind of hype train

what i see now is they have basically shown their hand to Sony which gives them time to come up with a something to counter with at e3.

unless of course they got wind that the specs were going to be leaked by digital foundry and as such made a deal with them

back in 2013 if Sony had gone first it would have been a different story today as Sony were planning almost the same type of drm etc. and had time to scramble and change which the Xbox announced.

i do really want Scorpio to succeed i'm primarily xbox for console gaming
and i will more then likly be running to game stop to preorder as soon as i can

I can totally see where you're coming from on that, and yeah, even the DF guys say it's unprecedented access. There'll almost certainly be move info before E3, Tom Warren has said that we'll see the actual console "Soon" (he defined E3 as not soon).

I can't really see Sony changing anything for E3, as the lead in time for these conferences is massive. In fact, the only change that Sony made to their conference that you're referring to, is the brief video of "Sharing Games". Everything else had already been decided.

Stone Deaf 4evr

The thing about big reveals, like at E3 or even Sony's pro launch, is that you have a bunch of talking heads spouting off, and by human nature, messaging gets mixed, details get confused etc. I reckon they're very cagey on having all the information being presented as accurately as possible. I'm betting we'll see the console soon enough, but the games and price won't be showcased until E3.

FAILSAFE 00

At E3 the spot light is shared but outside of E3 and particular at this moment there isn't much gaming news so it's an ideal time to shine.

pcadhain

From the Eurogamer article: "The final form factor - the 'ID' as Microsoft calls it - will be revealed at E3, where we suspect you will be pleasantly surprised." I think it'd be cool if they somehow fit it into the same exact form factor as the Xbox One S but in black.

RE Dunworth1's post about Microsoft showing their hand to Sony; Sony were completely blindsided last year when Xbox revealed the S and announced the Scorpio at E3. Up until a week before E3, Sony were all set to unveil the PS4 Pro (or Neo at the time). It'd be in very bad faith for them to show off a Scorpio-beater 7 months after releasing their own mid-gen iteration.

I definitely prefer how they handled this reveal to any other alternative. Unveiling everything at once at E3 would be far too much information in the short amount of time allowed and uninteresting to a regular consumer doesn't care about specs other than how funny a word Teraflops is. Alternatively, doing what Playstation did at the "Press Meeting" last September where Mark Cerny showed quiet journalists how pretty HDR and 4K look while people streaming at home watched on 1080p TVs. And that's without going into any specs at all, and failing to mention VR once despite the PSVR releasing 4 weeks after.

Coming straight out with specs to Digital Foundry, authoritative specialists in hardware reviews was a ballsy and confident move. They've previously hosted special reveal events for the 360 and XB1 in May so I'd expect the same this year and then to continue their run of focusing on games at E3.

Blazer

qrx wrote: »

Sounds like a beast. I like how its not just a PC, that its actually engineered to be a console but to complete with the performance of a PC. A hardware implementation of DirectX 12...fantastic!

A mid range pc.
Your top of the range pc still blows the Scorpio out of the water. I reckon it will be at least €599

TitianGerm

Blazer wrote: »

A mid range pc.
Your top of the range pc still blows the Scorpio out of the water. I reckon it will be at least €599

I don't think it'll be €599. More likely to be €500 I'd say.

Can i buy a top of the range pc for that? Or even the €599 you mentioned? If so then it's a no brainier to by this top end pc.