Antifa.....the joke that keeps on giving

Boom_Bap

Is this thread even still about Antifa or has it been derailed by a discussion on immigration?

20Cent

Depp wrote: »

so the homelesness crisis in ireland is a false dilemma then? by all means keep patting yourself on the back for how much you care about refugees though, you must be a really good person :rolleyes:

It's a false dilemma that we can either help refugees or the homeless but not both.

Depp

20Cent wrote: »

It's a false dilemma that we can either help refugees or the homeless but not both.

That was never my argument, by all means help both, but we should have our own house in order before we consider cleaning up the world, why are the govt. looking to other countries for people to help when they consistently refuse to address the housing crisis we have at home?

Anyway back on topic, how do you feel about the recent calls by antifa members to arm themselves and start bringing guns to marches?

Help!!!!

20Cent wrote: »

It's a false dilemma that we can either help refugees or the homeless but not both.

You do know that the HSE,schools etc are full. Will there be jobs wherever the 4000 are put? Or will they just go on benefits? Top of housing list??
Whatever money is earmarked for refugees would be better spent setting up camps in say Saudi Arabia where it will help more than 4000

Help!!!!

Will you be heading over to France once Marine Le Penn wins? Like a modern day " Wild Geese "

Yourself isit

Brian? wrote: »

"Virtue signalling"? Brilliant. Completely overused and empty phrase. Used by the right to mischaracterise any altruistic ideas. Just because you don't understand altruism, you can't ascribe a meaning that isn't there.

We have plenty of homeless people in Ireland. Money is not the obstacle to resolving the issue though.

During the second world war the UK had massive internal refugee resettlement. Children mostly from cities to countryside. No new houses were being built. It was all private.

It seems though that with the latest crisis there's not that many private householders wanting to put people up, the cost is to be borne by the state or by people on waiting lists, at a time of housing crisis.

Yourself isit

20Cent wrote: »

It's a false dilemma that we can either help refugees or the homeless but not both.

It's not though, is it? The housing crisis is set to get worse, demand will exceed supply, and adding refugees will exacerbate the problem.

Help!!!!

Yourself isit wrote: »

It's not though, is it? The housing crisis is set to get worse, demand will exceed supply, and adding refugees will exacerbate the problem.

Where have all the people gone that said they would take them the refugees in? I'm all for people taking them into their homes if they really want to help. Maybe Liam Cunningham should lead the way, I'm sure his house is big enough for at least a couple of them

Yourself isit

Brian? wrote: »

Simply put, Your opinion is wrong. It's based on incorrect assumptions. Your biggest incorrect assumption is that Marxism is authoritarian in nature. Marxism is anti authoritarian.

I'm calling out your wording because it's frustrating having nonsense thrown at me when I'm trying to engage in a logical fashion. I'm not running out of arguments, I'm making the same one repeatedly as it hasn't been successfully rebutted.

Except no one believes that Marxism is anti authoritarian. It isn't. Either in theory or practice.

Depp

Help!!!! wrote: »

Where have all the people gone that said they would take them the refugees in? I'm all for people taking them into their homes if they really want to help. Maybe Liam Cunningham should lead the way, I'm sure his house is big enough for at least a couple of them

Everyone wants to go to marches and chant but no-one wants to volunteer at shelters to actually help people.

InTheTrees

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Is this thread even still about Antifa or has it been derailed by a discussion on immigration?

I think it's because its the only topic the "alt right" are able to discuss. They're scared of women and immigrants.

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Whenever I start to wonder if AntiFa may pose a threat, I see posts like this and realize they are helpless beyond hope.

Help!!!!

Depp wrote: »

Everyone wants to go to marches and chant but no-one wants to volunteer at shelters to actually help people.

Probably seen stories like these:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/alexandra-mezher-woman-22-stabbed-to-death-during-fight-at-shelter-for-teenage-refugees-in-sweden-a6834071.html

https://www.thelocal.se/20110311/32538

Help!!!!

InTheTrees wrote: »

I think it's because its the only topic the "alt right" are able to discuss. They're scared of women and immigrants.

Who on here is "alt right"??

Depp

Help!!!! wrote: »

Who on here is "alt right"??

anyone who disagrees with antifa basically, we're all alt-right fascist nazis :D

InTheTrees

Help!!!! wrote: »

InTheTrees wrote: »

I think it's because its the only topic the "alt right" are able to discuss. They're scared of women and immigrants.

Who on here is "alt right"??

Two sides of a similar coin.

College kids grappling with politics.

Yourself isit

Help!!!! wrote: »

Who on here is "alt right"??

It was an ad homimen attack. Report.

Help!!!!

InTheTrees wrote: »

Two sides of a similar coin.

College kids grappling with politics.

I'm not a college kid. I asked 20Cent how many we should take in because I wanted to hear from someone who thinks people who question immigration are fascists

20Cent

Help!!!! wrote: »

I'm not a college kid. I asked 20Cent how many we should take in because I wanted to hear from someone who thinks people who question immigration are fascists

No point asking me then.

Help!!!!

20Cent wrote: »

No point asking me then.

But you are Antifa??

InTheTrees

This thread should be merged into an immigration thread.

20Cent

InTheTrees wrote: »

This thread should be merged into an immigration thread.

They are just trying to justify racist far right party policies with the "why don't they live in your house" argumemt.

Help!!!!

InTheTrees wrote: »

This thread should be merged into an immigration thread.

No in shouldnt, it is about Antifa. I wanted to know from our Pro Antifa posters what their views on immigration were & how many we should take in.

Help!!!!

20Cent wrote: »

They are just trying to justify racist far right party policies with the "why don't they live in your house" argumemt.

See that is wrong, so you do think everyone questioning immigration as racist/fascist?

Depp

InTheTrees wrote: »

This thread should be merged into an immigration thread.

Why? its an antifa thread, views on immigration are relevant to antifas ideology, thats why it came up

InTheTrees

Help!!!! wrote: »

No in shouldnt, it is about Antifa. I wanted to know from our Pro Antifa posters what their views on immigration were & how many we should take in.

This whole thread is about immigration.

There's nothing else to it.

Neither side has anything to say on Taxes, trade, employment, healthcare.

Depp

InTheTrees wrote: »

This whole thread is about immigration.

There's nothing else to it.

Neither side has anything to say on Taxes, trade, employment, healthcare.

this thread has nearly a thousand posts, barely any of them have anything to do with immigration. the point of the thread is to discuss a group using violence and intimidation to shut up people with different opinions, why does that belong in an immigration thread?

InTheTrees

Depp wrote: »

this thread has nearly a thousand posts, barely any of them have anything to do with immigration. the point of the thread is to discuss a group using violence and intimidation to shut up people with different opinions, why does that belong in an immigration thread?

Because the opinions that are being argued over are opinions about immigration.

Nothing else.

20Cent

Help!!!! wrote: »

See that is wrong, so you do think everyone questioning immigration as racist/fascist?

I don't at all.

Depp

InTheTrees wrote: »

Because the opinions that are being argued over are opinions about immigration.

Nothing else.

so because antifa violence is pro immigration there shouldnt be a thread to discuss antifa rioting and throwing fireworks indiscriminately into crowds of people they disagree with?

Yourself isit

20Cent wrote: »

They are just trying to justify racist far right party policies with the "why don't they live in your house" argumemt.

More generalised ad homimens. Despite calling everybody who disagrees with you an "alt right" like a child, serious questions on how refugees should be housed as dismissed as "far right".

You have no argument expect personal attacks and abuse.

My feeling on the refugee crisis is that we should meet our obligations on the 4000 but do so with private housing only, given the existing crisis.

Yourself isit

20Cent wrote: »

I don't at all.

That's not at all clear from the way you argue.

InTheTrees

Depp wrote: »

so because antifa violence is pro immigration there shouldnt be a thread to discuss antifa rioting and throwing fireworks indiscriminately into crowds of people they disagree with?

You're just parroting the views of one side in an argument over immigration.

Will I Am Not

Immigration has really only come up as a topic in the last page or 2.
Sounds like another attempt to shut down discussion...

InTheTrees

Yourself isit wrote: »

You have no argument expect personal attacks and abuse.

If you look at the title of the thread I think you'll agree that its purpose is not a reasoned discussion on immigration is it?

Depp

InTheTrees wrote: »

If you look at the title of the thread I think you'll agree that its purpose is not a reasoned discussion on immigration is it?

No, its to ridicule an ''organization'' of morons who want to larp as revolutionaries

hence why it doesnt belong in an immigration thread

Yourself isit

InTheTrees wrote: »

If you look at the title of the thread I think you'll agree that its purpose is not a reasoned discussion on immigration is it?

Conversations move on. Btw it's against the charter to moderate this forum unless you are a moderator yourself.

20Cent

Yourself isit wrote: »

More generalised ad homimens. Despite calling everybody who disagrees with you an "alt right" like a child, serious questions on how refugees should be housed as dismissed as "far right".

You have no argument expect personal attacks and abuse.

My feeling on the refugee crisis is that we should meet our obligations on the 4000 but do so with private housing only, given the existing crisis.

Haven't called anyone alt right. Calm down snowflake

Yourself isit

But back to anti-fa, how come American anti fascism isn't opposed to American imperialism? Where's the protests about Syria? About Yemen?

Depp

20Cent wrote: »

Haven't called anyone alt right. Calm down snowflake

nah not alt-right, just fascists and nazis

Yourself isit

20Cent wrote: »

Haven't called anyone alt right. Calm down snowflake

Of course you did. And that's more childish name calling.

Depp

Yourself isit wrote: »

But back to anti-fa, how come American anti fascism isn't opposed to American imperialism? Where's the protests about Syria? About Yemen?

there was a video posted a few pages ago where they actually broke up an anti intervention in syria protest because it was organized by someone they didnt like!

20Cent

Why haven't antifa cured cancer or cut my lawn yet?

Yourself isit

20Cent wrote: »

Why haven't antifa cured cancer or cut my lawn yet?

That's probably not what you would expect left wing anti fascists to do. However anti fascists should be opposing the US, which is in terms of its foreign policy, fascistic. Historically and today.

I'm old enough to remember when the left used to oppose us foreign policy interventions not authorised by the UN.

Ulysses Gaze

20Cent wrote: »

Why haven't antifa cured cancer or cut my lawn yet?

The more pertinent question is.

Why have Antifa not found the Holy Grail yet?

20Cent

Depp wrote: »

there was a video posted a few pages ago where they actually broke up an anti intervention in syria protest because it was organized by someone they didnt like!

By someone they didn't like, you are refering to the white supremacist richard spencer?

InTheTrees

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

Immigration has really only come up as a topic in the last page or 2.
Sounds like another attempt to shut down discussion...

Really? What other issues are the two sides arguing about then?

Will I Am Not

InTheTrees wrote: »

Really? What other issues are the two sides arguing about then?

Read the thread.

InTheTrees

Depp wrote: »

there was a video posted a few pages ago where they actually broke up an anti intervention in syria protest because it was organized by someone they didnt like!

Still basically an immigration issue though. Spencer doesn't want the refugees.

InTheTrees

Depp wrote: »

there was a video posted a few pages ago where they actually broke up an anti intervention in syria protest because it was organized by someone they didnt like!

Still basically an immigration issue though. Spencer doesn't want the refugees.