Munster Team Talk Thread VI - Stander Up and Fight

phog

Pieter de Villiers, the French international was at the Munster training session in UL today as was Donnacha O'Callaghan.

Mucky_Tackies

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Whats the rumour behind that? New forwards coaches? If he comes on board in any meaningful way, hopefully De Villiers does more than his namesake did for us.

OhHiMark

Mucky_Tackies wrote: »

Whats the rumour behind that? New forwards coaches? If he comes on board in any meaningful way, hopefully De Villiers does more than his namesake did for us.

De Villiers was our best player when he was here, after a slow start.

razorblunt

Mucky_Tackies wrote: »

Whats the rumour behind that? New forwards coaches? If he comes on board in any meaningful way, hopefully De Villiers does more than his namesake did for us.

Do you mean the SA coach being so awful they've come looking for Rassie?
Or do you mean Jean, who was actually growing into the jersey before he was tempted back home for one last WC crack?

You're right on the former, wrong on the latter.

phog

Mucky_Tackies wrote: »

Whats the rumour behind that? New forwards coaches? If he comes on board in any meaningful way, hopefully De Villiers does more than his namesake did for us.

I think Fla was down with him during the summer for scrum coaching - this was probably a catch up call. Timely, with the semi-final coming up.

leakyboots

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Jean DeVilliers had a slow start but finished as our top try scorer (I think?) and hit good form in the latter half of his season here - was sorry to see him go

thomond2006

A new born king to see POM POM POM POM POM

De Villiers had far more impact than Sam Tuitupou did.

aloooof

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thomond2006 wrote: »

Excellent news, Murray and Sweetnam aside. I feared Scannell's season was over.

Thought the same as this. I think Scannell has been one of our best players all season and would've been a big loss for the weekend.

who_me

Only realised just now - Munster have never won a "home" semi final. All 4 finals we reached were via away semis. And Saracens have never won an "away" semi either. Something's got to give..

Cookiemunster

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who_me wrote: »

Only realised just now - Munster have never won a "home" semi final. All 4 finals we reached were via away semis. And Saracens have never won an "away" semi either. Something's got to give..

This is our 11th HEC/ECC semi final, but is only the third time we've had a home semi. Winning and losing stats are pointless from such a small sample size.

who_me

Cookiemunster wrote: »

This is our 11th HEC/ECC semi final, but is only the third time we've had a home semi. Winning and losing stats are pointless from such a small sample size.

Where's the fun in that?

PetKing

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I'm looking forward to the weekend ahead as I have a lot of friends travelling for this game. Bit of a reunion planned for Dublin that evening, so I'm excited in that regard. I just can't get hyped about winning though, it seems almost impossible im my mind. I'd give anything to be more optimistic

Former Former

John Hayes Ligind

PetKing wrote: »

I'm looking forward to the weekend ahead as I have a lot of friends travelling for this game. Bit of a reunion planned for Dublin that evening, so I'm excited in that regard. I just can't get hyped about winning though, it seems almost impossible im my mind. I'd give anything to be more optimistic

To the brave and the faithful, nothing is imp.. oh, hang on.

Nah, this game is very winnable. Saracens are very narrow favourites with the bookies but if Stander is fit and if Bleyendaal makes it through 80 minutes, I'd back Munster to win it. It's their toughest game all season, no question, but the stadium is going to a sea of red and that's going to count for a lot.

phog

PetKing wrote: »

I'm looking forward to the weekend ahead as I have a lot of friends travelling for this game. Bit of a reunion planned for Dublin that evening, so I'm excited in that regard. I just can't get hyped about winning though, it seems almost impossible im my mind. I'd give anything to be more optimistic

We're not favourites or anything near it and if we play like we did on Saturday we'll be hockeyed but we can beat them, we need to be on top form though and not gift them any scores.

#Believe

davo2001

Return of the JJ

Can't wait for the game on Saturday, a group of us are traveling up from Limerick. Should be good craic, the result on the other hand.......... Well, i dunno. Here's hoping for the miracle match part 2!

PetKing

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

Former Former wrote:

To the brave and the faithful, nothing is imp.. oh, hang on.

phog wrote:

#Believe

I have the faith, but I wouldn't say I'm all that brave!!

leakyboots

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

Given the injuries we have, I'm a lot less confident than 2 weeks ago, we're a bit weakened.

Have no problem with Duncan starting but it's the replacement scrummie that has me worried if Murray is ruled out. How fit will CJ be? I guess it'll be Conway starting if Sweetnam is ruled out and ROM to the bench (who has been in fine form... but still, a downgrade on bringing on Conway). Rory Scannell being out weakens us in midfield but at least Keats got gametime this weekend and looked good.

The plusses are DOC 2.0, who probably had his best game for us v Sarries and looks to be back to his best, Deysel (if picked on the bench) has the capacity to make serious impact, Tyler can throw that game-winning flat pass. John Ryan is in the form of his life.

Mucky_Tackies

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razorblunt wrote: »

Do you mean the SA coach being so awful they've come looking for Rassie?
Or do you mean Jean, who was actually growing into the jersey before he was tempted back home for one last WC crack?

You're right on the former, wrong on the latter.

No, the poster before me said De Villiers the french player. He was a prop.

JDV never hit the heights he should have with us. He was exceptional with Sharks and SA. Might have been showing promise of getting towards that by the time he was leaving but didnt have the impact the likes of Rua Tipoki or even Halstead, a far more limited footballer, had for us.

Cookiemunster

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The Telegraph are reporting that Donnacha Ryan, Stander, O'Mahoney, Murray and Earls will be named in the Lions squad tomorrow.

irishbucsfan

John Hayes Ligind

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The Telegraph are reporting that Donnacha Ryan, Stander, O'Mahoney, Murray and Earls will be named in the Lions squad tomorrow.

Wow, Earls would really be a shock. I'd be delighted for him given some of the "treatment" he's had from some quarters.

John Hayes Ligind

Earls over Zebo? Wouldn't be what I'd pick but good for him.

kub

Guess Who's Back, Back Again? JJ's Back, Tell a Friend

I don't care what my head says, my heart says Munster this weekend. We beat The All Blacks sur .

To the Brave and Faithful etc.

So lets be Brave and Faithful.

Shougeki

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

So POM, Stander, Murray are the three Munster lads headed with the lions. No Earls, Ryan or Zebo.

ScrubsfanChris

A new born king to see POM POM POM POM POM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The Telegraph are reporting that Donnacha Ryan, Stander, O'Mahoney, Murray and Earls will be named in the Lions squad tomorrow.

So where exactly did they "report" from? Some local down the pub?

irishbucsfan

John Hayes Ligind

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

So where exactly did they "report" from? Some local down the pub?

Gavin Mairs had a bit of a... well you know where this is going

phog

Jersey Reds - Team for Friday evening

Jersey Reds squad v Munster 'A' (A) - British & Irish Cup Final, Friday April 21st, Irish Independent Park, Cork; k-o 7.30pm

Backs (15-9)

Ross Adair
George Watkins
Jordan Davies
Apakuki Ma'afu
Nick Scott
Callum Sheedy
Kieran Hardy

Forwards (1-8)

Jake Woolmore
Joe Buckle
Simon Kerrod
James Voss
Pierce Phillips
James Freeman (capt)
Gary Graham
Nick Haining

Replacements

Nick Selway, Sean McCarthy, Jake Armstrong, Uili Kolo'ofa'i, Max Argyle; Joel Dudley, Lewis Robling.

Mucky_Tackies

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I think Ryan can probably feel the most aggrieved of our lads to miss out. Dont know how Henderson poxed a spot. He's listed as a 2nd row and Id have had Gray, Launchbury and DR ahead of him. No doubting he can be brilliant but Henderson had a long injury lay off, didnt play all the 6 Nations and what he did play wasnt exactly great. Poxed to make the cut but doesnt seem to be getting talked about.

awec

Mucky_Tackies wrote: »

I think Ryan can probably feel the most aggrieved of our lads to miss out. Dont know how Henderson poxed a spot. He's listed as a 2nd row and Id have had Gray, Launchbury and DR ahead of him. No doubting he can be brilliant but Henderson had a long injury lay off, didnt play all the 6 Nations and what he did play wasnt exactly great. Poxed to make the cut but doesnt seem to be getting talked about.

I am guessing it's because he can play two positions. No doubt he's going as a lock but he could tog out at 6 for a mid week game if needs be.

Wegians89

Just wondering if anyone could fill me in on what type of a player dan goggin is? A centre who plays on the wing? Noticed he's played a few times for ye this year but havnt seen him at all? And what's his contract situation? Just some pub talk that he could be on his way to Connacht in the summer

thomond2006

A new born king to see POM POM POM POM POM

Wegians89 wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone could fill me in on what type of a player dan goggin is? A centre who plays on the wing? Noticed he's played a few times for ye this year but havnt seen him at all? And what's his contract situation? Just some pub talk that he could be on his way to Connacht in the summer

I think he's primarily a centre.
His academy contract is up at the end of the season but Munster will want to retain him.

Shougeki

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

awec wrote: »

I am guessing it's because he can play two positions. No doubt he's going as a lock but he could tog out at 6 for a mid week game if needs be.

When I was checking the players on the Lion's site earlier, he was classed as Second Row/Back Row

Wegians89

thomond2006 wrote: »

I think he's primarily a centre.
His academy contract is up at the end of the season but Munster will want to retain him.

More of a 12 or 13 ? Ye have some good options in centre for next season so mightn't be so far fetched

aloooof

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Wegians89 wrote: »

More of a 12 or 13 ? Ye have some good options in centre for next season so mightn't be so far fetched

The Taute/Saili situation needs to be resolved so we'll be down one there at least. Hanrahan coming back gives us another option at 12 but I think he'll cover 10 more often than not. Personally, I hope we keep hold of Goggin, thought he was good, if unspectacular early in the season. Still young so plenty of time to improve.

Wegians89

aloooof wrote: »

The Taute/Saili situation needs to be resolved so we'll be down one there at least. Hanrahan coming back gives us another option at 12 but I think he'll cover 10 more often than not. Personally, I hope we keep hold of Goggin, thought he was good, if unspectacular early in the season. Still young so plenty of time to improve.

Taute seems the perfect fit for ye, be very surprised to see him go, then Farrell coming in too and young Arnold if he can stay fit

aloooof

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Wegians89 wrote: »

Taute seems the perfect fit for ye, be very surprised to see him go, then Farrell coming in too and young Arnold if he can stay fit

I keep forgetting about Farrell! Looking forward to seeing him play and hopefully Sam Arnold will have a bit more luck on the injury front.

johnnyryan89

Stander Up and Fight

Wegians89 wrote: »

More of a 12 or 13 ? Ye have some good options in centre for next season so mightn't be so far fetched

Some good options but one of them is injury prone in Sam Arnold and Rory Scannell could possibly be away during internationals depending how he does during the summer and maybe the Autumn.

Tyler/JJ
Scannell/Goggin/Arnold
Taute/Farrell

If Scannell gets called up for internationals that leaves you with playing Taute at 12 with Farrell at 13 and Goggin with Arnold as your two back ups and JJ as another guy who can do a job at 12 but will primarily be the back up 10. Connacht would already have the same numbers as Munster in the centres with Aki,Robb, Ronaldson, Farrell, Griffin and Parata so he could possibly see less game time at Connacht than at Munster.

Edit. Munster also have Cian Bohane and David Johnson listed as centres with the first team but can see Bohane being released in the summer and David Johnson being kept on for next year.

case885

John Hayes Ligind

Connacht would be a good fit for Goggin, Farrell and scannell will be starters next season with JJ and Arnold as cover and maybe one of Taute/saili.
I think Shane Daly who was promising at 13 for Ireland u20s last year is playing primarily at full back now.

Wegians89

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Some good options but one of them is injury prone in Sam Arnold and Rory Scannell could possibly be away during internationals depending how he does during the summer and maybe the Autumn.

Tyler/JJ
Scannell/Goggin/Arnold
Taute/Farrell

If Scannell gets called up for internationals that leaves you with playing Taute at 12 with Farrell at 13 and Goggin with Arnold as your two back ups and JJ as another guy who can do a job at 12 but will primarily be the back up 10. Connacht would already have the same numbers as Munster in the centres with Aki,Robb, Ronaldson, Farrell, Griffin and Parata so he could possibly see less game time at Connacht than at Munster.

Parata has been released apparently which is a big mistake, ronaldson and griffin are also injury prone bundee id say is as likely if not more likely to be with Ireland then scannell ( not knocking scannell but green tainted glasses and a more combative style which I think joe will prefer) so a centre is needed in Connacht I think, what's bohanes story then?

johnnyryan89

Stander Up and Fight

case885 wrote: »

Connacht would be a good fit for Goggin, Farrell and scannell will be starters next season with JJ and Arnold as cover and maybe one of Taute/saili.
I think Shane Daly who was promising at 13 for Ireland u20s last year is playing primarily at full back now.

Where would he fit in at Connacht? He'd be behind Aki, Ronaldson and Robb for the 12 spot and Griffin, Parata and Farrell for the 13 spot.

johnnyryan89

Stander Up and Fight

Wegians89 wrote: »

Parata has been released apparently which is a big mistake, ronaldson and griffin are also injury prone bundee id say is as likely if not more likely to be with Ireland then scannell ( not knocking scannell but green tainted glasses and a more combative style which I think joe will prefer) so a centre is needed in Connacht I think, what's bohanes story then?

Yeah big mistake if Parata has been released indeed. Bohanes just not good enough really, he'll be 26 in the summer and would really need to move on if he wants to play rugby.

Mucky_Tackies

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

awec wrote: »

I am guessing it's because he can play two positions. No doubt he's going as a lock but he could tog out at 6 for a mid week game if needs be.

But youve also got all those backrowers who flitter between 6/7/8 as cover already. For example, Stander is going as a 6 it would seem as there are two 8's going. Warburton has also been playing at 6 for Wales already. Obv POM is a 6. Even SOB could cover at 6. Cant really see how Henderson gets ahead of any of them for 6 spot even midweek

case885

John Hayes Ligind

johnnyryan89 wrote:

Where would he fit in at Connacht? He'd be behind Aki, Ronaldson and Robb for the 12 spot and Griffin, Parata and Farrell for the 13 spot.

Parata is being released and he's of similar standard to Farrell/Griffen.
I'd rather Nash get a few opportunities in the pro 12 instead of goggin blocking his way.

Wegians89

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Yeah big mistake if Parata has been released indeed. Bohanes just not good enough really, he'll be 26 in the summer and would really need to move on if he wants to play rugby.

Yeah parata a heading down to play in nz alone with ciaran gaffney and cian romaine. Jeez didn't think bohane was that old

johnnyryan89

Stander Up and Fight

case885 wrote: »

Parata is being released and he's of similar standard to Farrell/Griffen.
I'd rather Nash get a few opportunities in the pro 12 instead of goggin blocking his way.

Nash played on the wing for Ireland u20s and made his debut for Munster on the wing so I doubt Goggin who'll probably play 12 will be blocking Nash from getting game time. Nash is still very young at 19 and in his first year in the academy.

Anatidaephobia

Guess Who's Back, Back Again? JJ's Back, Tell a Friend

I would really hope we don't lose Goggin. He looked shaky during the start of the season but he got a lot of gametime around the six nations and he looked very, very good. He's doesn't look massive but he's a really strong ball carrier and also has a great offload. He looks like a really promising player.

lazybones32

Anatidaephobia wrote: »

I would really hope we don't lose Goggin. He looked shaky during the start of the season but he got a lot of gametime around the six nations and he looked very, very good. He's doesn't look massive but he's a really strong ball carrier and also has a great offload. He looks like a really promising player.

He's pretty big when you're standing next to him! He's like a gorilla. Very bulky.

letowski

John Hayes Ligind

Is the team being named today?

Cookiemunster

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

letowski wrote: »

Is the team being named today?

Midday on the Friday usually.

Eod100

Munster A Team out for B and I Cup Final in CIT tomorrow evening

Munster A: Stephen Fitzgerald; Dan Goggin, Sam Arnold, Cian Bohane – capt., Alex Wootton; David Johnston, John Poland; Peter McCabe, Kevin O’Byrne, Brian Scott; John Madigan, Darren O’Shea; Gavin Coombes, Conor Oliver, Robin Copeland.

Replacements: Duncan Casey, Liam O’Connor, Rory Burke, Mark Chisholm, Sean O’Connor, Abrie Griesel, Greg O’Shea.

http://munsterrugby.ie/2017/04/20/munster-a-side-named-for-bi-cup-final/

thomond2006

A new born king to see POM POM POM POM POM

At worst Duncan Williams will be good to go for Saturday as Griesel is on the bench for the As.